Who else thinks Serenity is a pretty ship? by JubelLate

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Who else thinks Serenity is a pretty ship?

POSTED BY: JUBELLATE
UPDATED: Monday, July 3, 2006 13:37
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Friday, October 14, 2005 8:38 PM

Man, I can't get over that last part of "Out of Gas" where Mal sees Serenity for the first time.

I can't say beautiful because it doesn't have perfectly sleek lines, but the first time I saw it, I immediatly thought of a peregrine falcon carrying a box. It speaks to me as an attempt to merge utility and grace. The cargo bay is the heart of what the ship is, but it was designed well around it.

Just my $0.02

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Friday, October 14, 2005 9:24 PM

KSYRJAMA

Nice thread Jubellate. I felt the same way in Out of Gas. And every time Firefly's - pardon my French - *ss lights up, I just get a thrill.

Beatiful ship, yes, and a remarkable concept by Joss too. Combining the design with the name Serenity and you can hit on all kind of life philosophy themes and images of a better world.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts, I couldn't agree more!

Karen

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Friday, October 14, 2005 9:29 PM

FLAMETREE

I liked it so much I am creating a mosiac of it. I have gold glass tiles for the engine light and metal tiles for the ship.

Costs a fortune but she should look very nice.

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Friday, October 14, 2005 10:28 PM

JARON95

My dad says it's not much to look at, but I really do like it.

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Saturday, October 15, 2005 3:04 AM

DONCOAT

Quote:
Originally posted by flametree:
I liked it so much I am creating a mosiac of it. I have gold glass tiles for the engine light and metal tiles for the ship.

Costs a fortune but she should look very nice.

When you're finished, please post a picture!

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Saturday, October 15, 2005 3:55 AM

EMBERS

I am totally in love with this ship...
I've always wanted to go explore the world by going out on a freighter (who really wants to bum around the world on a destroyer? Or a cruise liner? what is the romance in that?)...
the very rough ordinariness of it makes it seem familiar, and believable.

One of my favorite moments is in the pilot episode when Mal uses the 'bathroom' in his quarters...how cool is that drawer set up?! perfect use of space, the simplicity of it blew me away.

I love that Serenity is just for transport and hauling cargo, nothing fancy...no fighting (so the crew has to learn to avoid the fighting, as much as possible).

The ship is beautiful because she fulfills the fantasies of being everything you need,
everything that is useful and practical.
Serenity represents freedom and independence
(she is my favorite character on the show & the movie).

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Saturday, October 15, 2005 4:46 AM

CLJOHNSTON108

I haven't watched TV since Babylon 5 ended, so my first glimpse of Serenity was as an add-on, created by Jon Marcure, for the freeware spaceflight simulator Orbiter...
http://www.orbitersim.com

I remember thinking, "Ewwwww! What the hell's that supposed to be? The aerodynamics're for shit!"

When the first trailer for Serenity came out, I went and bought the Firefly DVD... and it wasn't long before Serenity became my all-time favorite spaceship!

Oh, and Jon Marcure's retrofitting his "Ought-Two" Firefly (of the type that "didn't have the extenders & tended to shake"), into a proper "Ought-Three"...

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Saturday, October 15, 2005 4:55 AM

SEVEREN

Serenity is function and form to perfection; and therein lies its beauty. When the rear end lights up, then you know its a Firefly. Kudos to the to the artists that designed her.

I think some truely beautiful ships are the designs for the Naboo ships in Star Wars. Those are the ultimate in sleek lines.

Carry on!

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Saturday, October 15, 2005 5:15 AM

CHRISTHECYNIC

Well I can say beautiful because I think she is. Inside and out I love that ship.

In fact I would love to live in her and should I ever come into insanely (obscenely) large amounts of money (I won’t) I’d like to build her. I can just imagine her in the middle of a field somewhere the cargo bay is the garage, waking up every morning and climbing up the stairs, eating in her dining area, and enjoying every moment of it.

I don’t need a huge house, nor do I want one, a cozy and functional place is perfect for me, and she is that. Of course if I ever get obscenely rich there’s also a hotel in Florence I’d like to buy just so I can live in one of the suites without worrying about being kicked out. (God I loved that room, a stone spiral staircase in a hotel room, fully stocked kitchen, two bathrooms, leather furniture, a location close to all of the great sights to see, various other things.)

People build exact replicas of various rooms from various versions of the starship Enterprise, but it’s not remotely efficient to live there. What’s the purpose? To be able to walk around to ooh and ah? A nice thing I admit, and one I would envy, but not something I would build myself. The Enterprise bridge with its big screen TV sounds very nice, but I think I’d prefer the Serenity bridge which can function as an enclosed balcony.

The outside of Serenity is just beautiful, and the inside is something you rarely see in sci fi: a home.

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Saturday, October 15, 2005 8:44 AM

RABBIT2

Anybody else notice that the ship had a small part in the new Battlestar Galactica pilot/miniseries. The Serenity can be seen through a window landing on Caprica in an effects shot just before we meet Mary McConnell`s character for the first time.

Rabbit 2

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Saturday, October 15, 2005 8:46 AM

CHRISTHECYNIC

I didn't, but that's nice. A lot of things in Galactica were like Firefly and it’s nice that they gave it a nod.

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Saturday, October 15, 2005 8:51 AM

HOWARD

Its the most beautiful ship in Sci Fi
history!

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Saturday, October 15, 2005 11:01 AM

VELOXI

I personally think Serenity is not only a beautiful ship, but functional looking and aerodynamic as well. I've been told she's ugly by others, but I don't see that at all. There's SOMETHING about the look of that ship that looks sleek, hopeful, and comforting all at the same time.

I would love to also see a model of the ship as well.

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Saturday, October 15, 2005 12:06 PM

FLAMETREE

No problem.

I don't know how its going to turn out but at least I know a group of people who will be able to appreciate the thought behind

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Saturday, October 15, 2005 1:06 PM

NIKNAK

I think it's beautiful inside and out. It has so much more character than Enterprise, Galactica or even Moya.

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Sunday, October 16, 2005 12:24 AM

DONCOAT

If a model kit of Serenity comes out, I'll buy one to assemble, one to keep unassembled on the shelf in case the first one falls apart, and another to keep in the attic just to know it's there.

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Sunday, October 16, 2005 4:49 AM

GERSHOM

Quote:
One of my favorite moments is in the pilot episode when Mal uses the 'bathroom' in his quarters...how cool is that drawer set up?! perfect use of space, the simplicity of it blew me away.

Very similar to the designs used on cargo narrow boats (where the toilet and sink fold/pull out)and romany horsedrawn caravans where space is vital.
Anyone know if there are any news of a Serenity model currently in the planning?

"Every heist, he's gotta start yelling my name..."

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Sunday, October 16, 2005 6:34 AM

PHI

To me Serenity has her own personality. She's not like so many ships in sci-fi that are blank and at best could be described as functional.

Someone else mentioned that she has a bird like shape to her and I totally agree, that's the first thing I thought when I saw the pilot episode.

I think she's one of the Whedonverse's greatest characters. Anyone else cringe when she gets all bashed up?

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Sunday, October 16, 2005 6:48 AM

EMBERS

Quote:
Originally posted by Phi:
I think she's one of the Whedonverse's greatest characters. Anyone else cringe when she gets all bashed up?

oh God yes

Select to view spoiler:

when they deface the beloved ship to get past the Reavers,
I didn't need Zoe to say it to feel heart broken that Mal would do that to Serenity...
but that is part of the whole point,
Serenity IS a main character:
she keeps the safe, and keeps them together

I love seeing her under repairs, getting healed as the crew heals.

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Sunday, October 16, 2005 7:27 AM

CACTUSBLOSSOM

Although I am also a Star Trek Fan... Serenity is by far the prettiest craft.

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Sunday, October 16, 2005 8:36 AM

VELOXI

I sure did, I was near tears when I saw Serenity getting all battered, bruised, and ripped up.

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Sunday, October 16, 2005 8:41 AM

KRYSTLE

i agree that serenity is a beatiful ship!

Select to view spoiler:

i must say that i was almost crying

when she crashed but i was with my guy friends and they would have made fun of me

I love any shots of her on the show and in the flim

NO POWER IN THE 'VERS CAN STOP ME!

Iam a leaf on the wind.........

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Sunday, October 16, 2005 3:50 PM

JUBELLATE

Krystl, I winced pretty hard then

I love how Kaylee talks to Serenity, its the way I feel about machines too. I'd rather know a machine so well as to understand its communication of problems rather than just run calculations of fatigue wear and stuff. Much more personal and bonding.

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Sunday, October 16, 2005 4:47 PM

MICHAELANGELO

I love it too, and i'd have to say it's my favorite character of the show as well.

It's intereseting to see the different exterior versions the ship from episode to episode. I'm not too fond of the initial version, the one on the cover of the DVD set. It's kind of "primative" looking. Luckily it wasn't used too much in the show. The newer one is much better looking. I love it. I'm really hoping someone makes a model kit for it. I'll buy several.

"I swollowed a bug."

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Sunday, October 16, 2005 4:55 PM

FOLLOWMAL

I love Serenity, I would LOVE to live on her. That is the difference.... I wouldn't love to live on the Enterprise, I wouldn't love to live on Galactica. Serenity is home, it says so in her name. She is a lovely ship. Made more beautiful because the crew, especially Mal loves her so.

I gasped when she was all banged up, but I loved watching as the crew put her back together and repainted her name.

I reckon she'll miss Wash.... as will we all.

FollowMal

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Sunday, October 16, 2005 6:59 PM

JAYTEE

I grimaced when she crashed. Serenity reminds me of the kind of love you have for an old car you might have owned that looked a bit worn but always got you where you needed to go and got you back home again. Kinda like an old Dodge slant six I had decades ago. She never let me down and got me through blizzards and torrential rains and always got me where I needed to go. When she died it was peacefully in the garage after many years of faithful service. Serenity's the kinda ship that instills that affection and makes it more than just a mere machine.

"When the going gets tough, those in charge go looking for scapegoats."

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Sunday, October 16, 2005 7:11 PM

JUBELLATE

I'm the same way with my car. Chances are, it'll be with me for a long time.

The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule. – H.L. Mencken

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Sunday, October 16, 2005 8:21 PM

KAYLEEFRYE

I was just talking about how much I love her today after I saw the movie again. When I was younger, I used to think that the Defiant from Deep Space Nine was the prettiest ship out there, because she had a personality and she was functional and not pretty in the way that the other Star Trek ships are pretty. She was pretty because she could do her job, get down and dirty and do things that the big luxury liners (like the Enterprise) couldn't do. But even she wasn't home. Serenity is beautiful because she is part of the crew in ways that even the Defiant wasn't. Sisko could never love the Defiant like Mal loves Serenity. And the characters in Firefly are so much more human than the ones on Star Trek, so when they love something, we can connect to them, and feel that love too.

Also, I love that there's no sound in space, and that Serenity uses three dimensions, and goes up and down and sideways and upside down and every which way, like you would in space, not just in two dimensions like in Star Trek. She's special because she's so much more real.

That, and she's just plain pretty.

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Monday, October 17, 2005 3:36 AM

DONCOAT

Quote:
Originally posted by KayleeFrye:
Sisko could never love the Defiant like Mal loves Serenity.

That's because, to Sisko, the Defiant is just a tool that he uses to accomplish his goals, to do his duty.

To Mal, Serenity is what saves his soul and makes him want to go on living.

That's a whole other level.

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Monday, October 17, 2005 3:37 AM

DONCOAT

Sorry, double post.

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Monday, October 17, 2005 5:24 AM

ZOID

JubelLate and fellow 'coats:

For me, the greatest thrill in the movie is the first time we see Serenity (opening shot of second scene, if I recall correctly).

My heart swelled with pride -- as a from-the-first-episode Firefly viewer -- to see her on screen again, against all odds. My heart filled to bursting as the soft music increased in tempo to a Highlands 'reel' and she began to slip into reentry burn. And then a piece of her flew off... That's our girl!

Not many have said it: The music in the movie is fantastic. It retains the feel and characteristic of the original series. The accompaniment of Serenity's big screen debut on that retro burn was perfect, in my opinion. The music showed the viewer who she is; it emphasized ('underscored') her essential nature. Serenity is a frontier woman: she's got grit, determination, is fiercely committed to family, and not afraid of hard work. Who wouldn't love her?

Serenity's more than a ship. Next best comparable inanimate object raised to human character would probably be The African Queen, and she's a distant second in my book. (NB: Tho' ya gotta love her rising from a watery grave to torpedo the German warship and save newlyweds Charlie and Rose.) I wonder if JW is a fan of old Bogart movies? There's a few parallels between Charlie and Mal...

Respectfully,

zoid

P.S.
Anybody got an MP3 of the accoustic "Ballad of Serenity" played at the very end of the credits? I want that for my cell ringer...
-zed

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"I aim to misbehave." -Capt. Mal Reynolds, Serenity, a.k.a. 'the BDM'

Charlie: "We can't do that!"
Rose: "How do you know? You never tried it."
Charlie: "Well, yeah, but I never tried shooting myself in the head neither." -The African Queen

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Friday, November 4, 2005 1:19 AM

MINIME

I have always thought that Serenity was a very pretty ship, but I didn't realise how much she had become ingrained in my consciousness as the '10th member of the crew' until the moment in the movie where she almost (spoiler alert!) doesn't make it. How come we don't hear so much about that near-fatal injury?

Anyhow, keep flying...

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Friday, November 4, 2005 1:44 AM

3HEADEDMONKEY

serenity's so pretty that if it were a girl, i'd bang her over and over until i was spent.

that's how awesome it is.

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Friday, November 4, 2005 4:23 AM

UNREGISTEREDCOMPANION

Serenity kind f reminds me of an old Volvo I used to have....

Not much to look at, but DAMN that thing ran. Started every time you turned the key...and only broke down on me once...in my driveway (very considerate).

It had about 300,000 miles on it when we sold it to a pizza delivery driver, who had it going for another 4 years before she died.

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"Funny and sexy. You have no idea. And you never will."

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Friday, November 4, 2005 10:26 AM

SPACED

You can totally understand what Mal thinks when he first sees her, and why all the crew think of her so fondly as home

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Wednesday, June 28, 2006 9:10 PM

PRIVATEFOOT

You ever find that?...
I know the post was a long time ago, i've just been looking for this mp3

Quote:
Originally posted by zoid:
JubelLate and fellow 'coats:
P.S.
Anybody got an MP3 of the accoustic "Ballad of Serenity" played at the very end of the credits? I want that for my cell ringer...
-zed

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Wednesday, June 28, 2006 10:05 PM

AGATSU

At first, I didn't really like the outer design (especially with the thrusters on the extenders), but now I get teary-eyed whenever I see her because she's so beautiful. I guess that's love for you.

I loved the interior right away - especially the space in front of the infrimary, so cool.
I dunno about the ladders to the bunks, though. Cool, but sort of impractical. I'd feel kinda trapped.

The Serenity Summer Campaign is on, baby - prepare to kick some serious pigu!
http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=19&t=21775#326341
September 30th is Serenity 'Versary! Be there or be a purple-belted poop-head. (<- not the official slogan.)
I'm so into Firefly, my butt glows in the dark.

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Wednesday, June 28, 2006 10:09 PM

PHOENIXROSE

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.

To quote my Other Captain: "It's just... it's such a pretty boat."
Man, seeing that beautiful girl come on screen on the 23rd nearly brought tears to my eyes. I'm not sure whether it's good or bad that someone started cheering and broke that teary moment a little.

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Wednesday, June 28, 2006 11:10 PM

GUYWHOWANTSAFIREFLYOFHISOWN

I totaly agree which is why my fave shot in the whole of it (Firefly and Serenity) is the shot in the pilot when we first see her

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I'm so into Firefly, my butt glows in the dark.

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Thursday, June 29, 2006 12:20 AM

STORMFALCON70

Newbee pops his head up. Hecks yes. In my top 3 beside Millennium Falcon and Ebon Hawk,I reckon.
Same balance of utilty and beauty, IMHO. Head down.

"It's my estimation that every man ever got a statue made of him was one kind of sumbitch or another."

Capt Mal Reynolds

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Thursday, June 29, 2006 12:38 AM

GUYWHOWANTSAFIREFLYOFHISOWN

the main thing that makes her so love-able is aside from the "She's a home" stuff is that the inside fits in the outside, I've only ever seen that in the Ebon Hawk and Serenity

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Thursday, June 29, 2006 12:52 AM

STORMFALCON70

Right you are friend!I just finished KotOR II last week! (big grin) Hope they have the sense to make a trilogy out of that game.

"It's my estimation that every man ever got a statue made of him was one kind of sumbitch or another."

Capt Mal Reynolds

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Thursday, June 29, 2006 1:48 AM

CHOO1701

I've mentioned this before:

THERE ARE TWO SERENITY's

The one we see in the opening credits and the episodes up to "Safe" is quite different to the ship we see in the othere episodes and the movies.

Take a look: http://images.google.com/images?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=SUNA,S
UNA:2006-11,SUNA:en&q=Firefly%20Class&sa=N&tab=wi

The first one is the one the later one, but the third one is what we see in the opening credits. Zoic you nutty people

But yes Serenity is my favorite ship next to TOS Enterprise. She's not preatty, not that fast, but i hope she doesn't change (and River doesn't crash her

)

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"Remember, always be yourself. Unless you suck."-Joss Whedon

ITES RULE!!!!

two serenity's i tell you!!!

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Thursday, June 29, 2006 6:23 AM

ZOID

privatefoot inquired:

Quote:
You ever find that?...
I know the post was a long time ago, i've just been looking for this mp3.

Ay-Yup. It is, in fact, the ringer on my Razr. So, now, my message box is overfilled because I ain't interruptin' the pretty just to talk to a human...

I'd be happy to share it with you (and others), but I don't think FFFn has the ability to upload an mp3 file. So, figure that out and let me know where ...um ...to put it. (gawd, that just souded wrong, dinnit?)

Ring-Tonally,

zoid
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"I aim to misbehave." -Capt. Mal Reynolds, Serenity, a.k.a. 'the BDBOF'

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Thursday, June 29, 2006 7:06 AM

JOSSISAGOD

Quote:
Originally posted by JubelLate:
I can't say beautiful because it doesn't have perfectly sleek lines,

I can say Serenity is beautiful. not because she has a sleekness to her but because of what she represents, that is to say freedom! (Kinda like The Pearl of "Pirates of the Carribbean.") I've seen quite a few Science Fiction based ships, none as beautiful as Serenity.

JOSSIS(Most Definitely)AGOD

Self appointed Forsaken! Been on the list for a while now!

"Look at me, I'm STUPID!" The Doctor.

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Thursday, June 29, 2006 8:14 AM

LWAVES

Spaced said it earlier.

Serenity is home. Not just a ship or a tool to get a job done.

No other sci-fi that I've seen has a ship with a crew living on it and that has that lived in, personal touch look.
Kaylee's touches, the chairs and tables, everything has a personal touch to it.

The Falcon only served as a way to get about.
Star Trek ship were too military, too clean cut (I imagine Alliance ships are like these).
Most ships are only there for transport of some kind even if they have accomadation.
Serenity only makes short stops before heading out again, most of the crew time is on the ship.

Anyway, Serenity is not pretty. She's SHINY!!!

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Thursday, June 29, 2006 8:23 AM

FRELLINGBLONDE

I think Serenity is a beautiful ship, inside and out, for so many reasons.

Seeing her decked out as a Reaver ship in the movie made me wince, and seeing her get all banged up broke my poor little Browncoat heart.

Then again, seeing her take flight again at the end just made me smile and get all misty.

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Thursday, June 29, 2006 8:36 AM

TRISTAN

A pretty ship? You even have to ask?!? I mean, look at her:

She is a thing of beauty!

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Thursday, June 29, 2006 8:43 AM

NCBROWNCOAT

I just love Serenity-it's like the old, tramp steamers of the 1940's. You know it's home to the crew and the crew is like family-they will do anything to protect each other.

The room I'd most like to have is the galley and dining area and especially the wooden table. It's the main living area. All the crew gathers there several times a day and where the life of the ship just humms.

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Thursday, June 29, 2006 10:53 AM

PRIVATEFOOT

Email me? privatefoot@yahoo.com
I could try and upload it onto my geocities page after that...
that was to zoid...

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