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Originally posted by Cassandrae:
Personally, I DL to screencap it and for vidding, as I have many ideas for artwork and such. And while the quality of caps isn't fantastic, it will tide me over until the dvd comes out.
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Firefly Fanart: http://mysite.verizon.net/reso9abp/
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INARA:"It's art."
Mal: "It's puppets."
Inara: "It's puppet art."--Heart of Gold, Transcript

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Originally posted by dogbuiscut:
But if I hadn't been for file-sharing, I would never have seen the series in the first place.. It's a double-edged sword.

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Originally posted by Cassandrae:
I am sorry, I don't follow. :bleary looks at clock:

Do you mean copyright? That sort of thing? Far as I know, no, no guideline. But as long it's not commerical use, it should be fine. Now if you do a drawing from a FF/S image, then yes, you can do with it what you will, commerical or not.

I don't claim the images and all, just the art.

Is that what you're talking about?

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MAL: "I'll never understand rich folk. All that money, this is what they do with it."
INARA:"It's art."
Mal: "It's puppets."
Inara: "It's puppet art."--Heart of Gold, Transcript

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Originally posted by weichi:
Look, I do not pretend to know the economics of all this - but clearly some of those who download stuff do so instead of buying a ticket or buying a DVD. So, you must admit that those folks are stealing, right?

So going through the trouble of providing downloads is encouraged by each and every person who downloads - so even the most Robin Hood of theives is making it more attractive for folks to provide downloads, leading to more folks downloading instead of buying.

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That is where I see the harm. I doubt either one of us knows the actual costs, but I suspect the Studios have an idea, and they don't seem too pleased that it is going on.

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Maybe that is part of the reason Universal is releasing "King Kong" on DVD and in the theaters at the same time? Sell the impatient a DVD before they steal it online.

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Its very convenient to claim you have no impact. That way you have no personal responsability.

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Originally posted by Cassandrae:
Some would argue that even making art using images from the show and movie for non-commerical/personal use,( wallpapers/blends/art are not allowed.)

Take 11th Hour's art work(she has a store in cafe press), it's all created from scratch and FF related, so yes, she's allowed to sell and do whatever she wants with her designs.
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MAL: "I'll never understand rich folk. All that money, this is what they do with it."
INARA:"It's art."
Mal: "It's puppets."
Inara: "It's puppet art."--Heart of Gold, Transcript

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Originally posted by weichi:
These download sites must feed egos or make money somewhere, and helping their volume helps them exist for all those "bad thieves" as opposed to you principled ones, folks might-would've GONE to our BDM let alone bought the DVD if you'all hadn't helped them with a plan of the bank.

But its a rich bank, and it ain't any of our money, so nobody raise a fuss.

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Originally posted by yorg:
That's where it's funny. Media is intellectual property. Once you're seen/heard/read it, you've seen/heard/read it. You've already taken in that piece of intellectual property.

Examples:

A car is physical property, if you test drive a BMW, it doesn't mean you own it. You have to pay to own it.

A movie is intellectual property, if you watch a movie, then you own the experience. It's in your brain. The only time you pay, is to view it (theatre/dvd).

So if you experience a piece of intellectual property without paying to view it, then you are stealing. If you borrow it from a friend, it's stealing. If you go to a party and everyone watches a dvd together, it's stealing.

Now . . . do you see how stupid it sounds to say that downloading is stealing?

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Originally posted by R1Z:
The courts, the churches and the owners of intellectual property all agree, you can't have it for free. If it was OK, they'd tell you.

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Originally posted by fwivot:
No matter what people might think, your actions are not hurting anyone financially.

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Originally posted by fwivot:
No matter what people might think, your actions are not hurting anyone financially.

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Shelling out 10x the amount of a regular theater-goer entitles me to some kind of prize.

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Shelling out 10x the amount of a regular theater-goer entitles me to some kind of prize.

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And you get to decide what the prize is.

And you get to take the prize against the expressed wishes of the people who own that prize.

Aren't you "special!"

And you get to go to the "special hell" for ripping off Joss.

You already got your special prize. You got to watch the movie 9 extra times, and the warm and fuzzy feeling that comes from supporting a phenomenon you love. Nothing more. Read the back of your ticket stub. Nothing there about a free copy of the movie after the 10th viewing, is there?

To enjoy the flavor of life, take big bites. Moderation is for monks. --Robt. Heinlein

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