SERENITY great cinema? Compared to what? by Howard

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SERENITY great cinema? Compared to what?

POSTED BY: HOWARD
UPDATED: Thursday, November 3, 2005 15:41
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Sunday, October 30, 2005 6:48 PM

To those people who are so happy with
SERENITY who seem to not notice the loss in
quality and integrity that was not only
contained in the show but in even greater
potential in deleted scenes.

Deleted scenes in the box-set such as Zoe's
speech to Simon about war that was perfect
foundation for a greater and deeper more
evolved cinematic manifestation of the
concept. If such a quality drama had been
made it could have been released as an
intelligent, for grown-ups, theatrical drama
during those pre-Oscar nomination weeks in
which serious films get released.

When people laud SERENITY as one of the
greatest films ever and so on, something
clicks in my middle-aged head.

What kind of films have these people ever
seen? What do they buy on DVD?

So as PUBLIC SERVICE here are some movies
both fiction and non-fiction that well
deserve your purchase on DVD:

A VERY LONG ENGAGEMENT (R1)
INDOCHINE (R1)
NOWHERE IN AFRICA (R1)
DOWNFALL (R1) (UK R2 DTS and 2-disc set)
THE THIN RED LINE (R1)
CARANDIRU (R1)
PAPILLON (R1)
BIG BAD LOVE (R1)
THE BARBARIAN INVASIONS (R1)
THE SHELTERING SKY (R1)
BESIEGED (R1)
TODO EL PODER (R1)
THE CRANES ARE FLYING (R1)
COME AND SEE (R1) poor master but worth it.
EAST/WEST (R1)
ALTERED STATES (R1)
THX 1138 (R1)
21 GRAMS (R1)
THE ASSASSINATION OF RICHARD NIXON (R1)
SALVADOR (R1)
THE FOG OF WAR (R1)
CONTROL ROOM (R1)
LIFE AND DEBT (R1)
THE CORPORATION (R1)
REGRET TO INFORM (R1)
AND NOW LADIES AND GENTLEMAN (R1)
THE VERTICAL RAY OF THE SUN (R1)
L'APPARTEMENT (France R2 DTS / Eng subtitles)
ALL ABOUT MY MOTHER (R1)
TALK TO HER (R1)
MAGNOLIA (R1)
ANGEL HEART (R1)
THE WIDOW OF SAINT-PIERRE (R1)
GOOD BYE LENIN! (R1)
IN THIS WORLD (R1) (UK R2 pure original)
THE INSIDER (R1)
SERPICO (R1)
MALCOLM X (R1)]
THE HURRICANE (R1)
DIRTY PRETTY THINGS (R1)
AMELIE (R1)
FACING WINDOWS (R1)
I'LL SING FOR YOU (R1)
FIDEL The Untold Story (R1)
COMANDANTE (UK R2)
OPEN YOUR EYES (R1)
RUN LOLA RUN (R1)
THE PRINCESS AND THE WARRIOR (R1)
THE GIRL ON THE BRIDGE (UK R2)
THE SWEET HEREAFTER (R1)

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Sunday, October 30, 2005 8:01 PM

URSULA

Thank you, Howard. That was certainly condescending and superior.

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Sunday, October 30, 2005 8:27 PM

YORG

That list of movies = poop.

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Sunday, October 30, 2005 8:36 PM

GIANTEVILHEAD

What a pointless thread. I suggest you take a class in logic and learn what straw man and false analogy fallacies are.

"I swallowed a bug." -River Tam

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Sunday, October 30, 2005 8:46 PM

GROOSALUGG

Maybe in the future you could just stick to warning us all about how the evil shadow governments are plotting to use Blu-Ray to take over the world.

And considering you're the one who ripped Joss and Universal for not doing 50% of Serenity's dialogue in Mandarin (that would've been exciting cinema!), I'm not sure what the rest of your opinions are worth...

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Sunday, October 30, 2005 9:01 PM

OLDHAG

Quote:

And considering you're the one who ripped Joss and Universal for not doing 50% of Serenity's dialogue in Mandarin (that would've been exciting cinema!), I'm not sure what the rest of your opinions are worth...

He actually said that? If so, then clearly he's off his handle!

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Sunday, October 30, 2005 9:08 PM

GROOSALUGG

Yep. Said Joss & co. chickened out, and if they'd done that, it could've made it a mega-hit in China and raked in huge $$$... (I guess they stopped dubbing movies in foreign countries, huh?)

Sometimes a comment is just so out there that it sticks with you for weeks afterward...

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Sunday, October 30, 2005 9:14 PM

RITAK7

i did like Serenity really enjoyed it but i too appreciate that it didn't live up to it's potential. When you wrote "All aout my mother' did you me "SOBRE TODO MI MADRE' by almodovar? that is one of my all time favorites

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Monday, October 31, 2005 1:25 AM

RONAN

Still relatively new to the world of posting but have I just met my first Troll in Howard?

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Monday, October 31, 2005 3:24 AM

HOWARD

THE RESPONSES TO THIS HELPFUL AND WELL INTENDED
POST PROVES THAT ON ANY ISSUE YOU PEOPLE ARE A
BUNCH OF VERY, VERY IGNORANT, CHILDISH SPOILT
BRATS! TOTALLY DEVOID OF EVEN THE SLIGHEST
CAPACITY TO LEARN ANYTHING OR TO EXPAND YOUR
HORIZONS OR DEPTH OF KNOWLEDGE IN ANY WAY.

NO WONDER MOST OF Y0U HOLD SUCH APPALLING AND
SIMPLE MINDED POLITICAL PERCEPTIONS. THE BASE
OUTPUT OF THE BASE LEVEL OF CORPORATE CAPITALISM
CONSTANTLY PANDERS TO YOUR LOWEST INSTINCTS AND
IN FACT ENCOURAGES THE CEMENTING OF THOSE DIRE
FAUX-INSTINCTS. WHILE DISCOURAGING KNOWLEDGE AND
ANY UNDERSTANDING THAT MIGHT CHALLENGE THE STATUS
QUO.
Howard Simon Marks

" You think you're so clever and
classless and free
but you're still fucking peasants
as far as I can see..."

John Lennon "Working Class Hero"

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Monday, October 31, 2005 3:27 AM

HOWARD

RITAK7

Thank you for your civil response
and yes I meant the Almodovar movie.

I was not suggesting that no one enjoyed
Serenity but rather what you said and for me
the loss of a massive potential for elevating
sci fi to serious drama and gaining a deeper
content and no pandering to the easy outs.

Have you seen TODO EL PODER it totally rocks!!
The English title is spelt GIMME POWER the
DVD emphasises the English title but the
Amazon search engine has it in Spanish.

Though my list is not in any order the first
title on the list A VERY LONG ENGAGEMENT is the
best written most original and inspiring recent
film. While DOWNFALL is the best docudrama of
a fictional account of true story and
THE CORPORATION is the best documentary.

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Monday, October 31, 2005 3:58 AM

SIMONWHO

It's not what you said Howard, it's the way you said it. Funnily enough people tend to get rather irked if you call them stupid and demand that they watch films to your taste, particularly in a fresh thread of your own creation.

You list a large number of films but Serenity is a movie. There's a big difference. I don't need, expect nor want every film I see to be a deep, intelligent masterpiece. I like to think I'm mostly high brow but just occasionally I like to watch a Dumb and Dumber or While You Were Sleeping, both of which are great movies, just not in the same way that, say, Salvador is.

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Monday, October 31, 2005 4:05 AM

CHRISISALL

Howard left out my personal favourite political film: Conan The Barbarian.

Chrisisall, on the tree of woe

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Monday, October 31, 2005 4:10 AM

CHRISISALL

Quote:
Originally posted by Howard:

THE RESPONSES TO THIS HELPFUL AND WELL INTENDED
POST PROVES THAT ON ANY ISSUE YOU PEOPLE ARE A
BUNCH OF VERY, VERY IGNORANT, CHILDISH SPOILT
BRATS! TOTALLY DEVOID OF EVEN THE SLIGHEST
CAPACITY TO LEARN ANYTHING OR TO EXPAND YOUR
HORIZONS OR DEPTH OF KNOWLEDGE IN ANY WAY.

Howard, man, you know we 'reach' on the political thing, but you have to ease up on the 'you're all...' thing.
Speaking in absolutes will endear you to absolutly nobody, savy?

Chrisisall

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Monday, October 31, 2005 4:25 AM

THESOMNAMBULIST

Howard.

I read through your list and many of those films I have enjoyed. However I still love SERENITY.

And just to add to your list:

WAGES OF FEAR
JEAN DE FLOURETTE
MANON DE SOURCE
CITY OF THE LOST CHILDREN
LAVENDER HILL MOB
THE LADYKILLERS (Original Version)
PASSPORT TO PIMLICO
KIND HEARTS AND CORONETS
PUBLIC ENEMY (James Cagney)
ANGELS WITH DIRTY FACES
THE CABINET OF DR CALIGARI

.... You know I could go on but really this is just my opinion of what I consider great films, but I by no means have the definitive manual on what classes a film as great.

I don't really understand why you appear so angered that people, myself included, loved Serenity. Perhaps you could explain your point of view a little more for me.

Personally I don't regard watching those films you listed, or watching any film for that matter, as a prerequisite for intelligence.

The
Somnambulist

www.cirqus.com

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Monday, October 31, 2005 5:00 AM

INSANITYLATER

Quote:

And considering you're the one who ripped Joss and Universal for not doing 50% of Serenity's dialogue in Mandarin (that would've been exciting cinema!), I'm not sure what the rest of your opinions are worth...

Hey.. why not do the whole thing in Mandarin and get Mel Gibson to direct it?

And you really need to add Joe Versus the Volcano to the list of "must see movies".

"Serenity NOW!!! ... Insanity later."

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Monday, October 31, 2005 5:11 AM

RIVERNOT

We all know Firefly was something special. Joss and company were aiming for art, which is part of the reason FOX didn't "get" it and dropped it. However, in this day and age, when movies like "The Pacifier" do well (I'll admit I rented it and the kids loved it. Gack!) what are the chances that a sci-fi drama would make it?? I loved Serenity. Great cinematic film? Not really. Fun movie? You bet. Could there have been more? Of course. Was Universal willing to allow Joss the latitude to make something more true to the series? As much as folks say Joss had free reign, I do think there were limitations he had to abide by, one of them being the potential take at the box office. It's unfortunate, but sci-fi takes a lot of money to make and, therefore, is a prisoner to the masses. Sigh.

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Monday, October 31, 2005 5:20 AM

EMBERS

I like theSomnambulist's list better than Howards.
But what I really hate is Howard's condesending attitude and gross generalizations, both sure signs of the hopelessly immature and self-involved.

I loved 'Serenity' but I never said it was the greatest film of all time (WHO said that? Nobody said that)...it was a wonderfully entertaining and involving movie filled with the characters (and the ship) I love, and I personally thought the political message was right on.

My 'greatest films' list would include:
King of Hearts
Hard Day's Night
The Return of Martin Guere
Diva (the French film, in case there is another)
Enchanted April
oh this is a waste of time...there are many others...

**********************************************
watch the R. Tam Session vids: http://www.hittarivertam.nu/
and buy the 'Serenity' comics published by Dark Horse,
and have you joined the Browncoats yet?
http://browncoats.serenitymovie.com/serenity/?fuseaction=tools.invlink
&u=embers&linkID=36

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Monday, October 31, 2005 5:41 AM

CHRISISALL

Quote:
Originally posted by embers:

Enchanted April

Ah, what a beautiful film!! It was magic.

Em, you HAVE to check out The Road Home (a hong kong film- drama, no kung-fu), I'll go on record as saying THAT is the best cinema ever (IMnotsoHO)! Please, please see that one.

Chrisisall, more than just fighting on the brain

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Monday, October 31, 2005 5:45 AM

CHRISISALL

Quote:
Originally posted by InsanityLater:
Hey.. why not do the whole thing in Mandarin

I wanna see a version all in Greedo's language!!!

Mal: " Oooh la schulpa!"
Operative: "Yah, kappa tool tuk!"

Them's fightin' words!

Chrisisall, interpreter

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Monday, October 31, 2005 5:46 AM

PHOEBE

Dear lord, you actually watch those things?

That explains everything...

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Monday, October 31, 2005 5:50 AM

KAZZAHDRANE

To be honest, I don't credit Howard with an overabundance of brains.

I liked Serenity, so what if I haven't seen lots of classy "proper" films?

Being nasty and superior doesn't make you clever, it makes you dick.

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Monday, October 31, 2005 5:59 AM

THESOMNAMBULIST

Quote:
Originally posted by embers:
I like theSomnambulist's list better than Howards.

...Why thank you Embers.

if you wanna borrow anything, let me know.

The
Somnambulist

www.cirqus.com

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Monday, October 31, 2005 6:06 AM

EMBERS

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Em, you HAVE to check out The Road Home (a hong kong film- drama, no kung-fu), I'll go on record as saying THAT is the best cinema ever (IMnotsoHO)! Please, please see that one.

to hear is to obey...it is now in my netflix queue

And I don't hate Kung-fu, I loved 'Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon' (just not watch it over again and again and again love it...like I did the other films on my list)
I would add
Spirited Away
Gosford Park
there are others...I'm just not thinking of them at the moment...

edited to add: oh yeah, I love LOVE
Stage Beauty

and The Somnambulist: I've seen most of the films on your list...
I am also a big Alec Guinness fan and Kind Hearts and Coronets is one I never get tired of!

**********************************************
watch the R. Tam Session vids: http://www.hittarivertam.nu/
and buy the 'Serenity' comics published by Dark Horse,
and have you joined the Browncoats yet?
http://browncoats.serenitymovie.com/serenity/?fuseaction=tools.invlink
&u=embers&linkID=36

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Monday, October 31, 2005 6:42 AM

UNREGISTEREDCOMPANION

Of that list, I had seen 4 of the movies.

3 I liked, one I hated (Amelie).

I may have to check out the others.

But keep in mind, movie preference is VERY subjective. Telling people something they liked sucked is generally not a good way to get people to check out things you like.

I am only going to consider the list because I liked 3 out of 4...and I am ignoring the snobbery.

~~~~~
"Funny and sexy. You have no idea. And you never will."

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Monday, October 31, 2005 6:43 AM

REXJAYNE

HOWARD:

I realize there are some really great movies out there, original and significant in ways that Serenity certainly isn't. In fact, A Very Long Engagement is one of my favourite movies, as well as anything else with Audrey Tautou or Franka Potente.

What's special about Serenity isn't that it's groundbreaking cinema, or that it makes you think about political issues.. It happens to be great entertainment. Sometimes people want to see movies that don't require lots of thought or disturbing images.
I happen to think Serenity is a great movie, and not one of the caters-to-the-lowest-denominator movies, but obviously it's not an Oscar contender. What it is, is something special in its genre: Sci-fi and western with interesting characters and lots of fun to watch.

People are naturally going to be offended here by someone saying it's not a great movie because this is a Firefly/Serenity site, and we come here to talk about all things Firefly. That doesn't mean we're all low-brow, cavemen with no interest in anything more deep.
Basically, what I'm trying to say is that you have a point, but I don't think it needs to be made here.

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Let's not be excludin' people, that'd be rude - Jayne

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Monday, October 31, 2005 6:45 AM

THESOMNAMBULIST

Embers

Have you seen Captain Paradise with Alec Guiness? Great film!

I see you included Spirited Away... Good choice. Have you also seen, Castle in the Sky, Kiki's Delivery Service and my personal favourite; Porco Rosso :) Oh of course - AKIRA.

The
Somnambulist

www.cirqus.com

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Monday, October 31, 2005 6:54 AM

GIXXER

Howieeeeeeeeee! My main fun-lovin' man! Where ya bin? And when did you lose the soupcatcher? Takes years off you, I'm tellin' ya.

C'mon over and take a load off, big guy. Here. Have a beer. Then we can go out and hit the clubs. Sex isn't entirely out of the question either. I'm just sayin'.

Ain't been on the board long, but I have come to respect your talent for alienatin' folks. It really is near miraculous, and you should be very proud.

I have to say I missed your name on the original post, and started reading the list of movies. About halfway through, I was thinking...

...worthy. Who seriously would make a list like thi... Ah, that explains it.

You let yourself down badly by including Amelie. That is a cracking film I watch because it's stoatingly executed and has got Kaylee-quantity feelgoodness to it. However, I'd put money on you including it purely because it was French. Am I wrong?

Comparing like with like, you're unfavourably comparing the BDM to THX1138?

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Monday, October 31, 2005 7:03 AM

REXJAYNE

Spirited Away is a truely great movie.. some of my other favourites are My Neighbour Totoro, Princess Mononoke and Nausikaa of the Valley of the Wind. Miyazaki is really amazing.

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Let's not be excludin' people, that'd be rude - Jayne

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Monday, October 31, 2005 7:12 AM

GROOSALUGG

I'd say something else, but I like Die Hard and support George W. Bush, so I'm clearly one of the dumbest people here. So, please ignore the stupid American and continue on to the next message. Thank you.

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Monday, October 31, 2005 8:42 AM

EMBERS

Quote:
Originally posted by TheSomnambulist:
Have you seen Captain Paradise with Alec Guiness? Great film!

I will check it out!
and I agree w/you and RexJayne: Miyazaki is really amazing,
have y'all seen 'Howl's Moving Castle'? It is beautiful
but 'Spirited Away' remains my all time favorite of his....

**********************************************
watch the R. Tam Session vids: http://www.hittarivertam.nu/
and buy the 'Serenity' comics published by Dark Horse,
and have you joined the Browncoats yet?
http://browncoats.serenitymovie.com/serenity/?fuseaction=tools.invlink
&u=embers&linkID=36

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Monday, October 31, 2005 8:58 AM

BOOMCHICK

You know, if you had JUST made suggestions, I would have thought you were pretty cool. After all, some of those movies are all-time favoites of mine, But HOW DARE YOU imply that loving Serenity makes you stupid? So that movie is on my favorites list, big whoop. It's on there with Run Lola Run, Spirited Away, The Seventh Seal, Casablanca, The Seven Samurai, Red Beard... Ect. However, the feeling behind serenety is different! It's new and exciting, and I love it. It may not have the same feel as the series, but the newness of it makes it all the better

If you are a true gentleman and lover of films, you will retract your comment and be civil enough to discuss you oppinion, instead of calling everyone else stupid.

Prick.

I am a leaf on the ground, watch how cars run over me.

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Monday, October 31, 2005 9:32 AM

LIMINALOSITY

Curse my inevitible ability to push 'play' when it keeps coming back to the top.

I've been avoiding this one because I figured it would be more of the stuff I don't like, and aren't we supposed to avoid trolling in the troll threads with the big letters and the firey stabbity death to fans? They use up bandwidth and

did somebody say band?

well I brought my guitar, and there is a bonfire, sooo.....

Dis my film
Say it's bad
Best darn time I've lately had.
I don't mind
If you can't see
Really loved Serenity.

I'll hang out
In this land
With a random happy band.
Thisisall
I can see
Joss will write some more for me.

Shiny Trees! Yavanna made Shiny Trees!

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Monday, October 31, 2005 9:46 AM

ROLAND

I get annoyed when people put you down for the movies you like or for not liking the movies they like. Taste in movies is all subjective. Nobody can say that their favorite movies are any better than anybody else's favorite movies. I haven't seen very many of the movies on Howard's list but I haven't enjoyed the ones I have seen from the list. If I don't enjoy a movie, I don't consider it great cinema. All I am trying to say is, you may not agree with other's choices but you don't have to put them down because of it.

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Monday, October 31, 2005 10:35 AM

MISSKITTEN

Seriously, who are you to tell us what to like!?! It's people who act all superior, like you're allmight, allknowing that really pisses me off!

I have family who watches like these foreign filmes that are supposed to be amazing, but most of the time they have no clue what the film was even about at the end of the day.

It seems to me that people like you are the ones that say "once a movie becomes entertainment it's not a good movie".

Serenity is one of those movies that contains all. A mix of genres, there's a little something for everybody. You have the obvious humor with the spot on lines, you have the action, the suspence-sceenes. There's a ton of drama and layers. There are amazing characterizations. Not even the villain is a typical villain-type.

So sorry that you didn't get a long pining, sob-fest. Have it ever occurred to you that a movie where you don't cry non-stop from beginning to end can in fact be concidered a good movie?

Besides... if you hate it so much, why are you even here...? Go bother someone else...

*~*~*

"Joss, if you kill him now I'll stuff a compression coil up your ass sideways!"
~ Kaylee, "Serenity in 2000 words or less"

Kaylee's the perfect woman!

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Monday, October 31, 2005 10:42 AM

PIZMOBEACH

... fully loaded, safety off...

Thx for the great suggestions, can't help but add a few of my favs:

Aguirre, The Wrath of God
The Harbringer
Angelo My Love
Acetylene
Playtime (anythng by Jaques Tati)
It Makes A Beautiful Light
Riches to Rags: The Helen Smirnoff Story
Three Seasons
2 Horse Donkey
Abner Kampfie
My Darling Clementine
Seven Samurai
12 Angry Men
Come Out Come Out Where Ever You Are
My BodyGaurd
Haughty Melodic
Spring’s Best Season
Ipso Facto
My Brunch with Leroy
The Lambshank Reduction
Land Ho!
The Green Jerkin
Seperate But Equal
The Davenport of Dr. Caligraphi

Scifi movie music + Firefly dialogue clips, 24 hours a day - http://www.scifiradio.net

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Monday, October 31, 2005 10:52 AM

INSANITYLATER

Quote:
Originally posted by misskitten:
Seriously, who are you to tell us what to like!?!

He's not telling what movies to like, he's just showing you HOW to like movies.. NOW LIE DOWN!

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"Serenity NOW!!! ... Insanity later."

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Monday, October 31, 2005 11:06 AM

MISSKITTEN

Quote:
Originally posted by InsanityLater:
Quote:
Originally posted by misskitten:
Seriously, who are you to tell us what to like!?!

He's not telling what movies to like, he's just showing you HOW to like movies.. NOW LIE DOWN!

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"Serenity NOW!!! ... Insanity later."

*EDITS*

Oh, *now* I get it! LMAO!!!

*~*~*

"Joss, if you kill him now I'll stuff a compression coil up your ass sideways!"
~ Kaylee, "Serenity in 2000 words or less"

Kaylee's the perfect woman!

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Monday, October 31, 2005 11:16 AM

STEVE580

Quote:
Originally posted by InsanityLater:
Quote:
Originally posted by misskitten:
Seriously, who are you to tell us what to like!?!

He's not telling what movies to like, he's just showing you HOW to like movies.. NOW LIE DOWN!

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Monday, October 31, 2005 12:02 PM

GIANTEVILHEAD

This is obviously not a well intended thread. It is an idiotic thread based on ignorance and poor reasoning skill. For one, not everyone who enjoyed Serenity thinks that it is one of the best movies ever made. I don't know of anyone who thinks that Serenity is one the best movie ever made. In fact, I dare you to show me five posts made by five different people saying that Serenity is one of the best movies ever made, not five people saying that Serenity is one of their favorite movies, five people saying that it’s one of the best movies ever made as you claim as is the case. Second, just because I enjoyed Serenity does not mean I am incapable of enjoying or have never watched movies like The Insider. Just because I liked True Lies does not mean I cannot appreciate the genius of Citizen Kane. Just because The Terminator is one of my favorite movies of all time, does not mean I think it is a better science fiction movie than 2001.

"I swallowed a bug." -River Tam

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Monday, October 31, 2005 12:45 PM

OBIWAN

My uncle had a dog named Howard once. He was loyal and pretty.

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Monday, October 31, 2005 3:12 PM

CONEJITA7

Should the Princess Bride be left out of must see list? and i didn't infer from Howard's post that we were under strict orders to view these films or else, just that they could be enjoyable as well as elevating-oh i wish i had time to enjoy while being elevated until i finish my degree the closest i'll get is eating a baby ruth while researching.

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Monday, October 31, 2005 3:23 PM

UNSARDONIC

Quote:
Originally posted by Giantevilhead:
...For one, not everyone who enjoyed Serenity thinks that it is one of the best movies ever made. I don't know of anyone who thinks that Serenity is one the best movie ever made. In fact, I dare you to show me five posts made by five different people saying that Serenity is one of the best movies ever made, not five people saying that Serenity is one of their favorite movies, five people saying that it’s one of the best movies ever made as you claim as is the case.

Okay...

I'll start:

Here's one: speaking as a film maker (writer/producer), I THINK 'SERENITY' IS ONE OF THE BEST MOVIES EVER MADE.

And, By GAWD, I can go on for MONTHS about the bajillion reasons why. I agree with all the lists on this thread - many are movies that I consider "perfect - very many...

Now, who'll 'second' me on this commotion?

As to the lists: I notice none of you mentioned Piero Pasolini and I ...welll... if ya wanna intense cinema experience, just check out 'Salo' some time... this movie is soo Friggin' Intense, most people simply can't make it through a half hour, well... any amount of it. It stunned me so much that I was able to watch the entire thing, well... it was like, kinda, a trainwreck... or Meatloaf or Wendy O. & the Plasmatics in concert: you can't avert your eyes; you must look... because it's truly unbelievable. So after it finished, I watched it all over again, just 'cause I couldn't believe I'd seen it all the way through once.

Gosh I hope that helps

HOHOHO

Love All Movies {was it Ray Charles that said, 'The ear is ready for all kinds of sound," so I say, "The eye is ready for all kinds of vision"} "or your friends will think you're stupid inbred stacks of meat"

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Monday, October 31, 2005 3:27 PM

QUEENOFTHENORTH

Um . . does anyone else fall asleep halfway through Howard's rants? LOL just kidding. Seriously though, to me movies are about entertainment mostly, not about upping your IQ. If you wanna do that, read a book. Also, good to know you guys have some good taste (Castle in the Sky? loved it -- Spirited Away, have to see it). And LIM, you are the best -- that is a fantastic song. Anyways, y'all have fun now, ya hear? Hehe.

I give to you the Seeker of Serenity, the Valkyrie Warrior, the Gourmet Cook and the Truth Scoper.

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Monday, October 31, 2005 3:43 PM

CHRISISALL

Quote:
Originally posted by Unsardonic:
Okay...

I'll start:

Here's one: speaking as a film maker (writer/producer), I THINK 'SERENITY' IS ONE OF THE BEST MOVIES EVER MADE.

Now, who'll 'second' me on this commotion?

Qualification: 'Best movies ever made' meaning a cross section to include musicals, drama, science-fiction, and comedy.....
Then DAMN RIGHT Serenity's one of the BEST movies EVER MADE!!!!!

You are seconded!

Chrisisall!

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Monday, October 31, 2005 4:00 PM

HOWARD

Try the DVD of CARANDIRU (R1)
nothing warm and cudly about that.
Yes obviously we can all be multifaceted
and able to relate to very different things.
Warm and cudly AMELIE and not warm and cudly
CARANDIRU.

By the way to whoever said it. I NEVER said
that everyone who liked or loved SERENITY was
saying it is one of the greatest movies ever.
But some folks on this site do think that and
short of that there are such rich qualities and
potential contained in FIREFLY that I now feel
has been flushed away.

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Monday, October 31, 2005 4:12 PM

HOWARD

Well no such luck GROOSALUGG...

DIE HARD for your cinema

and

Bush for your politics

yep that does count as rather stupid

BUT...

if you has said...

Anything staring Gweneth Paltrow for your
cinema

and

Clinton for your politics

that would be not just stupid

but truly sinister.

Not that the Bush gang is not sinister they
are but most of the world can see this.

What is more sinister than sinister is
sinister wrapped up and packaged like
everyone's down'n'hip, caring and sharing
friend...when it/he aint! As in Clinton and
other similar types.

Same with all Paltrow esque movie culture
one is meant to buy it as "deep" and "really
thoughtful" but of course it is a big NOT!

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Monday, October 31, 2005 4:36 PM

QUEENOFTHENORTH

Wow, someone's just an angry little person, aren't they? Totally missing the point, too.

I give to you the Seeker of Serenity, the Valkyrie Warrior, the Gourmet Cook and the Truth Scoper.

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Monday, October 31, 2005 4:41 PM

OLDHAG

I have a really good suggestion for this problem that Howard is presenting alot of folks: Don't respond to anything he says! He obviously is pretentios, self-absorbed, middle-aged and lonely little man that makes himself feel better by coming on this site and ranting on about his taste in movies, music, or politics. Leave him be to galavant about his "superior" taste in anything. I learned really fast that people don't like to be critized for what they like regardless if everyone else in the world may think otherwise. If they like it than that's good for them and that's all that matters.(Again, sorry Jacqui, if your reading this) Just leave him be to his ostentatious ways. Or you can just do this

"All you people up there, in city hall,
Your f***ing it up for the people that's in the streets"
Tim Tim Timmy!

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Monday, October 31, 2005 4:45 PM

LIMINALOSITY

I can hardly wait to see Narnia
for a little brain candy!
oh goody oh

Limi

Shiny Trees! Yavanna made Shiny Trees!

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