Just saw Revenge Of The Sith on dvd, and WOW by chrisisall

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Just saw Revenge Of The Sith on dvd, and WOW

POSTED BY: CHRISISALL
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Thursday, November 3, 2005 9:16 AM

...did it make me really appreciate Serenity all the more!!!!
ROTS was a hyper-kinetic, thinly written patchwork.
I enjoyed it for what it was (certainly much, much better than the previous two), but I'm glad I only rented it! I watched it twice while I had it, and found myself gettin' bored in many places the second time around. I guess I'm pretty demanding, but I have to actually care about the characters before I go all Ooo and Ahh over the things that happen to 'em.

If I want a movie with real adventure and real characters, I'll put on the original trillogy (at least until Dec. 20th, that is, then the ante goes WAY up!)

It's only a fleshwound Chrisisall

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Thursday, November 3, 2005 9:58 AM

HARSHCRITIC

I agree with you. Just because the movie was better than the previous two does not make it as good as the original. When Mace Windu got killed, I did not care one bit.

Lucas made Samuel L. sound cheesy. How do you do that? The dialogue was so unnatural not like in Serenity.

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Thursday, November 3, 2005 10:05 AM

N0SKILLZ

for a second there i thought you were saying it was good.

I saw it in theaters , so i got over it awhile ago. And yes, i said theaters, i was watching movies so i just went and watched it cuz...

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Thursday, November 3, 2005 10:34 AM

EMPTY

-hey all-i personally hated ROTS, was bland and un-consistant to the former fiction (general grievous bitch slapped by obi-wan even though in the episodes of clone wars he fought 3 jedi masters and 4 padawans at once*cough*)also did anyone else notice the cheesiness of the whole darth vader transformation...was like george just wanted to shoot the dog in the head and make it go away.

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Thursday, November 3, 2005 10:43 AM

STORYMARK

Hell, I'll be the voice of dissent.

I really, really enjoyed Revenge of the Sith.

But then, I've been an obsessive Star Wars fan for a couple of decades longer than I've been an obsessive Firefly fan.

Now, I'm not saying it's a great film. It has lots of flaws, the writing is most definitly not up to the standards of Serenity, and it's still not nearly as good as Episodes 3&4. But for what it is, a Space-Opera, I thought it was very satisfying.

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Thursday, November 3, 2005 10:51 AM

STORYMARK

Crap... I type a reponse. Hit post. Computer freezes. Post goes bye-bye. Reload the page. post not there. Okay. Re-type. Hit post. Oops, two posts with identical meaning, but slightly different wording.

Edit second post to avoid coming off as total idiot. Hit post. Cross fingers....

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Thursday, November 3, 2005 11:35 AM

CALHOUN

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Storymark wrote:
Thursday, November 03, 2005 10:43
Hell, I'll be the voice of dissent.

I really, really enjoyed Revenge of the Sith.

But then, I've been an obsessive Star Wars fan for a couple of decades longer than I've been an obsessive Firefly fan.

Now, I'm not saying it's a great film. It has lots of flaws, the writing is most definitly not up to the standards of Serenity, and it's still not nearly as good as Episodes 3&4. But for what it is, a Space-Opera, I thought it was very satisfying.

Erm.. ROTS IS episode 3.

I too have been an obsessive Star Wars fan since 77... (I feel sooo old typing that). The prequels dont satisfy me whatsoever. I do have all the Star Wars books and they nicely perpetuate the saga in my head.

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Thursday, November 3, 2005 11:43 AM

STORYMARK

Er... I meant 4&5.

Sorry.

I have to agree that 1&2 didn't do much for me. 2 had it's moments, but about the only thing 1 had going for it was the final fight with Maul. Personally, I hold 3 at about the same level as 6. Fun, but with problems.

I read the books for a while, starting with the first Tim Zahn book, but after abot 40 books about some remnants of the Empire building yet another superweapon, and out of a vast galaxy of billions of individuals (including, after a while, a whole new Jedi order), the only people who could do anything about it were Luke, Han and Leia. Now, I love those characters, but it just started to streatch credibility and my patience a bit.

I know it opened up character-wise with the New Jedi Order series, but other than Vector Prime, I just never had the time to keep up.

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Thursday, November 3, 2005 11:43 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

Saw a cool documentary on the making of the original SW, and man... THAT was awesome! Looking back at the times, the 'state of the art' that was FX back then, and what they had to deal with, I find it hard to believe Lucas pulled it off. Sure, there are XBox games that have better FX than SW had back in the day, but the story was so much better, especially in comparison to the garbage that passed for the last 3 movies.

I'll use any $$ I might have spent on SW dvd's and buy Serenity and the Angel Box set.

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Thursday, November 3, 2005 11:45 AM

SIMONWHO

There have been quite a few great books set before and after the original trilogy so it's not as though people can't envisage anything other than just them. But it has to be said the prequel trilogy consists of three bad movies. Any film which makes the audience laugh in contempt at the screen (as I have personally witnessed three times over) is just bad.

So sad that it ended up this way. But there you go, three pieces of sith that outgrossed our movie by a factor of 10. Bah.

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Thursday, November 3, 2005 11:47 AM

QUEENOFTHENORTH

I'm also gonna say that I liked ROTS.
*ducks as objects are thrown at head*
Could be partially cuz I think Hayden Christiansen is hot, or that I didn't see the original Star Wars until last year. However, I still think it's a good film in its own right, even if it's not as good as Serenity. But hey, what is these days?

I give to you the Seeker of Serenity, the Valkyrie Warrior, the Gourmet Cook and the Truth Scoper.

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Thursday, November 3, 2005 11:51 AM

STORYMARK

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Any film which makes the audience laugh in contempt at the screen (as I have personally witnessed three times over) is just bad.

I guess it depends on the audience you watch it with. I did see a screening of Ep. 2 where someone was heckling the screen, but he was also drunk as hell.

But at several of the screenings I attended, especially for 3, the audience cheered and applauded several times.

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Thursday, November 3, 2005 11:51 AM

UNREGISTEREDCOMPANION

ROTS was OK...just OK. If I had seen it BEFORE Serenity....oh well. Serenity ruined it for me. The characters in ROTS were so SHALLOW and POORLY acted compared to Cpt. Tightpants and crew.

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Thursday, November 3, 2005 11:57 AM

GAZERBEAM

I tend to agree with y'all that Episode III was really weak, but I watched it on DVD last night. Turns out that if you skip all the Anakin/Padme scenes, it's not that bad of a movie all of a sudden. :) Quick message to George Lucas: Don't try to write anymore love scenes, you're just no good at it.
Anyway, I totally recommend watching the DVD for one or two of the deleted scenes, and skip all the Anakin/Padme scenes. Oh and the final "pussification" of Vader.
"NNOOOOOOOOO!!" How can you respect a guy as a bad-ass after that?

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Thursday, November 3, 2005 12:03 PM

PHOEBE

I have to say, the "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!" was exactly how I felt at the time. And destroyed any shred of respect I ever had for Darth Vader... in an instant.

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Thursday, November 3, 2005 12:40 PM

FOLLOWMAL

Oh, me too Phoebe, I laughed! Out loud- loudly!

I just couldn't believe the epitome of villainhood was created by what???? that sorry storyline and also that he was such a wimp. Dumb, just plain dumb.

I didn't care about the Jedi's, nor Padme, nary a tear did I shed....
now Serenity made me cry, hard.
That's a story!

I used to be a Star Wars fan... of the old ones, so my apologies to all of you who still are, but I can't think that spendin' money on this thing is a wise action. I'm savin' my money for multiple copies of Serenity!

" I love my Captain."

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Thursday, November 3, 2005 1:20 PM

RIVER6213

What bothered me most about Revenge of the Sith was the fact that Annakin wasnt evil, he was just STUPID; he was an IDIOT, and it didnt take much to happen for him to kneel before that cross-dressing emperor and call him master.

I used to be a Star Wars fan, and what I mean by Star Wars is the the originals...the recent3 are just too stupid to believe, but the special effects were good. As I said in an earlier post, I was yawning through the scene where Annikin was killing off the younglings.

The only thing I like about the 3 recent Star wars movies, were the special effects, and the actors they used to play Obi-wan and Padm'e....thats it.

When they showed Darth Idiot screaming "Nooooooo" at the end of the movie, I was thinking "What an idiot"

My little brother could kick Darth vaders azz

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Thursday, November 3, 2005 1:33 PM

YORG

"Anakin, you're breaking my heart!"

That is the worst line in cinema history. Cheesy AND poorly delivered.

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Thursday, November 3, 2005 2:16 PM

TALLAUSSIEBROWNCOAT

A trilogy where the only decent scene involves a CGI Yoda is pouncing "Dracula"'s head?

Nuff said.

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"Hey, support it best you can! I believe supporting this as far as we can will get Serenity restarted. Right now seems VERY "Out Of Gas", and the Fans are Mal. We need to get her running to get the Big Damn Button pushed."

"I don't care what you believe in! Just BELIEVE!"

- Self Quote from a reply to a post about Serenity

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Thursday, November 3, 2005 2:27 PM

PHOEBE

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Originally posted by yorg:
"Anakin, you're breaking my heart!"

That is the worst line in cinema history. Cheesy AND poorly delivered.

That was Padme, right?

It's amazing... Lucas and co managed to turn Natalie Portman into a bad actress. That takes some skill.

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Thursday, November 3, 2005 2:38 PM

TALLAUSSIEBROWNCOAT

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Originally posted by Phoebe:
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Originally posted by yorg:
"Anakin, you're breaking my heart!"

That is the worst line in cinema history. Cheesy AND poorly delivered.

That was Padme, right?

If it was Obi Wan I'd be concerned with Lucas' deteriorating mental state...he's crazy enough with his characters as is!
(And they say Joss killing characters is insane...LUCAS made VADER cry like a...well, rhymes with wussy!)

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"Hey, support it best you can! I believe supporting this as far as we can will get Serenity restarted. Right now seems VERY "Out Of Gas", and the Fans are Mal. We need to get her running to get the Big Damn Button pushed."

"I don't care what you believe in! Just BELIEVE!"

- Self Quote from a reply to a post about Serenity

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Thursday, November 3, 2005 6:08 PM

KELLYOFLUTHIEN

Hi everyone!

As a huge SW fan, I liked ROTS, but not nearly as much as I liked Serenity! I think Episodes 1-3 would have been much better had Lucas chosen to make all three about the transformation of adult Anakin from himself to Vader, instead of cheesy midichlorians and Jar-Jar. But hey, I'm not the one making millions of dollars from it

Anyway, I thought I'd share with you a link I found awhile ago, with screencaps of a Chinese version of ROTS with poorly translated English subtitles! It's hilarious!

http://www.bangingtunes.com/forum/topic/t22233

I love my Captain :)

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Thursday, November 3, 2005 9:09 PM

JASMITH101

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Originally posted by Phoebe:
Quote:
Originally posted by yorg:
"Anakin, you're breaking my heart!"

That is the worst line in cinema history. Cheesy AND poorly delivered.

That was Padme, right?

It's amazing... Lucas and co managed to turn Natalie Portman into a bad actress. That takes some skill.

Ms. Portman has actually admitted in interviews to having not done the best acting job she could have because she felt that it was beneath her to do better in "Sci-Fi." (Or something to that effect.)

It is a dawgone crying shame that what once was the "Holy Grail" of Sci-Fi, has been greatly tarnished by intentional bad acting and poor scripting.

I saw a clip of a recent release of South Park on DVD W/commentary. (courtasy of IGN) They were speaking O/T about Star Wars. Basicly, to them it seemed that Lucas was surrounded by yes men that were too afraid to tell him the scripts needed more work before going in front of the camera. "Yes sir, Mr. Lucas sir, you are Mr Lucas, you can do anything Mr. Lucas wants to do..."

I'm over Star Wars too.

There's no place I can be,
Since I found Serenity.
You can't take the sky from me!

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Thursday, November 3, 2005 9:21 PM

GROOSALUGG

I saw Ep. III for the first time tonight, and liked it, but no, it doesn't stand up to Serenity--and this is coming from a SW fan of twenty-something years.

The stories in the prequels are fine and all, and they "feel" like Star Wars (at least II and III do), but they're missing the humor and charisma of the originals. You really need a Han/Mal-ish character in a story like this, the charming scoundrel, and the prequels just don't have it. Everyone are Jedis and senators and high-ranking, noble citizens, and the... grit, I guess... is missing.

The quality of the acting is probably what bothers me most about the new ones, though. How do you take the likes of Liam Neeson, Ewan McGregor, Natalie Portman, and Samuel L. Jackson, and make them look like they just stepped out of an amateur theatre company? Well, bad dialogue goes a long way toward that, I suppose.

I've been reading the books for years, starting with the Zahn trilogy of the early-90s, and what does it say about Lucas' new characters that I'd much rather read the exploits of the Solo kids in the pages of the New Jedi Order than watch Qui-Gon or Mace Windu on film?

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Friday, November 4, 2005 3:47 AM

GEEKMAFIA

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Originally posted by Phoebe:
I have to say, the "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!" was exactly how I felt at the time. And destroyed any shred of respect I ever had for Darth Vader... in an instant.

Yup i mean i don't cry about movies but damn i was close when that happened. You know during the movie i was thinking
"Hey it doesn't matter, no matter how wussy Lucas makes Anakin he can't destroy vader for me".
But no... he did.

A cryin shame

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Friday, November 4, 2005 4:25 AM

TRAKEN

I've said it before the day episode 1 aired, I proclaimed,"the Star Wars Universe is dead to me."

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Friday, November 4, 2005 6:39 AM

CYBERSNARK

I'm writing (offline) a big rant on RotS vs Serenity, and will post it later. I'm just weighing in here as a teaser.

I've been a Star Wars fan for as long as I can remember. Like, obsessive fan, able to tell you the name of the guy Luke sold his landspeeder to (Wioslea), and why cloning Jedi is ineffective (they cause "interference/feedback" in the Force).

Episode 3 made me cry. It was just bad.

No grasp of physics (even the previous movies had at least some grasp of there not being gravity in space, and about how weight and mass move), horrible inconsistant acting (compare Ian McDiarmid's portrayal of the Emperor with every other appearance both before and after), no actual character development/evolution (check out Anakin's oath of loyalty --was I the only one who could hear a switch being flipped? It was just too sudden), and no respect for the audience (Lucas goes too far, and shows things that would be better served as secrets that foreshadow the OT).

RotS should never have been made. At least not in this form; this was a rough draft. The basic plot outline is there, but it needs a lot of work. It should've been revised a few more times by people who know how to tell suspenseful stories and write dialogue.

Ultimately, without the multi-billion dollar Star Wars industry behind it, this script would've been laughed out of Hollywood. There are community college film classes that can turn out a better script.

The novels, specifically the NJO series, are everything the prequel trilogy should be. They're dark, and ruthless, and unsafe. Remember that gut-wrenchingly sudden death in Serenity, and the sense of desperation that followed ('cause any one of our heroes could be next)? Well the NJO novels do that. The GFFA, and the characters in it, will never be the same.

Above all, the novels give us actual characters. General Grievous is a farce, but the thought of a voxyn sends shudders down my spine (seriously, I have had nightmares of being hunted by those genengineered things --like the Alien xenomorph crossed with a Reaver, crossed with every big mean-tempered borderline-rabid doberman I've ever been terrified of). Nom Anor is a more skilled Macchiavel than Palpatine ever was. Vergere is my Jedi Master of choice, not Mace Windu or Yoda. Luke/Mara on a bad day is more romantic than Anakin/Padmé at their best.

Strange how two Anakins (Skywalker & Solo) could be so dissimilar.

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Friday, November 4, 2005 7:06 AM

BLACKOUTNIGHTS

I enjoyed RotS, but have no plans to buy it. I converted to Firefly the second I first saw Bushwhacked, on TV...which was the first episode I saw. Missed the Train Job.

But I agree, the books are much better than the movies. I appreciate what Lucas tried to do, but something happened to him. Personally, I think it was Howard the Duck. Good Lord. Heir to the Empire rocked. Grand Admiral Thrawn was such a good character. I hated ... nevermind, read the books.

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Friday, November 4, 2005 7:14 AM

ANDYGOTT

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But at several of the screenings I attended, especially for 3, the audience cheered and applauded several times.

They were all drunk as hell.

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Monday, November 7, 2005 3:10 PM

STEVE580

Yeah, I just saw this flick last night for the second time. It was amazingly bad. I mean, let's ponder Anakin's smooth, gradual transition into evilness. First, he prevents an old guy from being murdered by Samuel Jackson because Sammy doesn't like his political affiliation. The next step for Anakin, of course, is murdering a bunch of children...er, "younglings." Very believable.

Yeah, I could list about a hundred other things I hated...but I'm not going to.
-Steve

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Tuesday, November 8, 2005 6:11 AM

REAVERINA1985RIVIERA

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Originally posted by Phoebe:
I have to say, the "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!" was exactly how I felt at the time. And destroyed any shred of respect I ever had for Darth Vader... in an instant.

For me it was the "Frankenstien" walk he did when he got off the "operating table" that made me cringe and loose all respect.

For some strange reason, I thought it was pretty good when I saw it in the theater, but after watching it on DVD (and after seeing Serenity), the whole movie just seem flat, boring, and really cheesy (in a bad way).

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Tuesday, November 8, 2005 7:03 AM

ZEEK

I couldn't agree more about the books. If they made the Zahn triology or the New Jedi Order into movies they'd have pure spun gold. Those capture the feeling of the original movies much better than these prequels do.

I mean the solo kids are great characters. They all have their own personalities and you can see their logic for making the choices they do. It's not just that the choice needs to be made to get to the next big fight scene. Grrrr and to think I had so much respect for Lucas before these movies.

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Tuesday, November 8, 2005 7:48 AM

STORYMARK

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For me it was the "Frankenstien" walk he did when he got off the "operating table" that made me cringe and loose all respect.

And for me, that was totally logical. I imagine one would be a little stiff and unsteady on their feet right after having received a new set of legs that are several inches longer than the ones he was used to.

"Well, my days of not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle."

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