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GENERAL DISCUSSIONS
*Spoilers for Ariel* How did Mal know?
Saturday, November 12, 2005 12:15 PM
BELACGOD
Saturday, November 12, 2005 12:20 PM
GEEKMAFIA
Saturday, November 12, 2005 12:32 PM
Saturday, November 12, 2005 12:42 PM
Saturday, November 12, 2005 12:53 PM
GIANTEVILHEAD
Saturday, November 12, 2005 12:58 PM
FOLLOWMAL
Saturday, November 12, 2005 1:02 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Giantevilhead: There was Jayne's change of plan, making Simon and River leave early and going out through a different direction. Plus his reaction was very different when they got back, he was being really modest, not typical of him. "I swallowed a bug." -River Tam
ELEANOR
Saturday, November 12, 2005 1:07 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Belacgod: Mal shouldn't have known about the change of plan, or he'd have said something to the others. The modest reaction might be damning, but not enough to take the risk of being wrong. Remember, River's the psychic, not Mal.
Saturday, November 12, 2005 1:12 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Eleanor: Really, I was always surprised that no one else (especially Zoe) seemed to figure it out. If the Feds knew that the Tams were in the hospital, why don't they go in and search for them instead of waiting patiently outside the door? And how do they know just which door to wait by? Someone had to have tipped them off. And then there's that *look* on Jayne's face when Simon is giving his speech, not mention his sudden burst of modesty and the "you're on my crew" comment. Too out of character for there to *not* be something going on.
Saturday, November 12, 2005 1:14 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Giantevilhead: Mal would have known about Jayne's change of plan because their locations were all being tracked by Wash and Kaylee.
Saturday, November 12, 2005 1:16 PM
DAISYCUTTER
Quote:Originally posted by Belacgod: How did Mal know Jayne had sold out the Tams? It'd have been a hell of a thing to do just on a guess, and we viewers didn't see anything that told us he did, unless I missed something.
Saturday, November 12, 2005 1:20 PM
Quote:Originally posted by DaisyCutter:
Saturday, November 12, 2005 1:21 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Belacgod: But he wouldn't know why they moved out early. Feds could have caught them there, someone could have needed the room and discovered unauthorized people there...a lot of very likely things.
Saturday, November 12, 2005 1:27 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Belacgod: I doubt he'd have killed him either (unless he failed to confess), but imagine if he was innocent. Jayne would have killed Mal in his sleep. Would you take that risk with your best fighter if you weren't absolutely sure?
Saturday, November 12, 2005 1:32 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Giantevilhead: That's part of the problem, Jayne didn't tell anyone about his change of plan, which he should have. There's also how Wash and Kaylee were monitoring all the transmissions in the hospital and they didn't hear anything until Jayne got captured and it was in code.
Quote:Originally posted by DaisyCutter: I wouldn't think Jayne would kill Mal in his sleep, he kills for money. If someone raised the stakes than he might have. And besides, the quirky River might of killed Jayne even before that would of happened.
Saturday, November 12, 2005 1:40 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Belacgod: If they'd been caught by the feds, he wouldn't have had the chance to call the others.
Saturday, November 12, 2005 2:04 PM
CHINDI
Saturday, November 12, 2005 5:22 PM
Saturday, November 12, 2005 5:44 PM
ERASERHEAD
Saturday, November 12, 2005 5:55 PM
ANONYMOUS1
Quote:Originally posted by Chindi: But here is another question.. why KEEP Jayne on board knowing that he had betrayed you? I do not believe Mal is afraid of Jayne (tho maybe he should be) but WHY keep a traitor among your crew? Jayne knows too much to let go- he would then definitely sell them out for $$$ so it is keep him or kill him right then... so, why did Mal spare Jayne?
Saturday, November 12, 2005 6:06 PM
LIMINALOSITY
Quote:Originally posted by Chindi: I think it was Jayne's acting odd (all generous and such) and the "you are on my crew" comment COUPLED with Mal's natural instinctive suspicion.. .. so, why did Mal spare Jayne?
Saturday, November 12, 2005 6:15 PM
BROWNTROUSERS
Saturday, November 12, 2005 6:45 PM
Saturday, November 12, 2005 8:06 PM
YORG
Saturday, November 12, 2005 8:59 PM
KUANGAORUI
Saturday, November 12, 2005 9:06 PM
Saturday, November 12, 2005 9:10 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Giantevilhead: The bulk of the world population increase happened within the last 200 years. The population of the earth was 1 billion in 1802, the population right now is 6.45 billion, the population of the world in 2050 will be 9.1 billion. "I swallowed a bug." -River Tam
Saturday, November 12, 2005 9:16 PM
Saturday, November 12, 2005 9:25 PM
Quote:Originally posted by KuangAorui: Ya if every single person on the planet left now and survived the trip it might work and I am saying right now! We barley have the ships to get 50 people of the plaint right now. not to mention the time it would take a find a solar system suitable and develop the terraforming technologies to make the plaints suitable and the time it would take to get there... need I go on?
Saturday, November 12, 2005 9:27 PM
Quote:Originally posted by KuangAorui: Look this is not my point, the story is good enough and the charters are fun to watch and that's all that maters and when you start picking apart every inconsistency in every story in the series the show kinda looses its meaning.
Saturday, November 12, 2005 9:40 PM
Saturday, November 12, 2005 9:53 PM
Saturday, November 12, 2005 10:09 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Giantevilhead: Jayne's change of plan was before he got caught by the feds. He was leaving the hospital through a different direction and he didn't tell anyone about it. There's also the part where Wash and Kaylee was monitoring the hospital's transmissions and they didn't hear anything about Jayne being captured until they heard the code which suggests that the feds already knew that River and Simon were in the hospital.
Saturday, November 12, 2005 10:19 PM
Quote:Kuangaroui: I'll grant Joss any kind of wacky science he wants (See me not ask about their semi-hyperdrive. See me not ask!). But if he's messing with the characters and making them act on information they don't know just to further the story, then I'll come down on him like Serenity landing without power.
Saturday, November 12, 2005 10:23 PM
HOBANIWASHBURNE
Quote:Originally posted by yorg: It was easy for Mal to know. Why was the plan changed without Mal's knowledge? By this time in the series we all know that Mal is in charge and he HATES it when people go against his orders. What Mals says goes. So Mal must have thought it was weird for Jayne and company to find themselves at the back entrance when they weren't supposed to be there in the first place. Plus there's the strange behaviour by Jayne during Simon's praise. Which if the first part doesn't give it away, then this surely does. Now, as to why Mal didn't kill Jayne or tell anyone. 1. Mal knows the alliance and he knows Jayne (which is why he has so little trust for both). Mal knew that the alliance wouldn't give up the reward just like that to some criminal. Jayne didn't know that obviously so he trusted the alliance. But know that Jayne has experienced first hand the lies of the alliance, he wouldn't try to do it again. Jayne is tough, but he's like a big kid; if he gets burned, he learns. 2. Mal knows that Jayne is opportunistic and money hungry, but also that Jayne cares what people think of him. Look back at Jaynestown and see how remorseful and guilty Jayne was; that pretty well defines his deeper character. Mal just wanted to once again make himself very clear to Jayne; he caught him in the act and Jayne sincerly felt bad about what he had done (of course after realising that the alliance are never to be trusted). 3. Also, Jayne had finally realised that the only person who tells it like it is and will always be upfront with him is Mal. So Mal pretty much knew from this point forward Jayne would be much more loyal to him. Notice in Objects in Space that Jayne is defending himself to the Captain about not leaving a gun laying around for River to find, instead of his usual anger at Mal for talking down to him, he backs down and just doesn't want to be blamed. 4. Finally, because Jayne at least wants a little respect from the crew (he knows that they tease him cause he's not that smart), he doesn't want anyone to know (it would be like Jaynestown all over again making him a false hero). So Mal has a huge bargaining chip (aka blackmail) to hold over Jayne's head.
Saturday, November 12, 2005 10:42 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Belacgod: The first part's true, but there's no way for Mal to know it. The second part is another key piece of the puzzle--that chatter would have appeared minutes earlier had they been busted in the Imaging Suite. Although that still could be accounted for by them being caught just a bit later, as Wash's intercepts weren't all that specific.
Sunday, November 13, 2005 8:30 AM
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