How do Reavers pilot ships, them being insane cannibals and such? by chrisisall

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Reavers = (Grim) Reapers = Reaper Madness. Just like psychopathic serial killers Bush and Cheney rape, cannibalize and mass murder, and hunt naked women with REAL loaded guns ("The Most Dangerous Game" of life-or-death is also used on US Special Forces), and are convicted of drunk/drugged driving/flying, so they are promoted to the White House and worshipped as gods. As governor of Texas, the only convicted killer who got a commuted death sentence from Satanic Bohemian Grover Nazi Skull & Boner narco cult member George Bush Jr was cannibal hitman Henry Lee Lucas, whose partner Otis Toole cut the head off Adam Walsh, son of "America's Most Wanted" John Walsh. While Bush and Cheney are too drunk and doped up on coke and heroin to be able to drive or fly, they do help manage their mind-kontrolled slave army as handlers using code words and hand signs, and enthusiastically torture/rape/murder 100,000s of innocent people in Iraq (including CIA's torture/rape/porn/genocide prisons), including "friendly fire frag" murders of 50,000 of US troops and 400,000 disabled US troops with DU nuke radiation and sabotaged vaccines, and hire enemy troops to kill US troops per Operation Northwoods, PNAC and P2OG. Multiple personality disorder/dissociative identity disorder (MPD/DID misdiagnosed as socipaths) is created by governments and mafias by torturing/electrocuting/doping/mutilating/raping/murdering/canibalizing babies in multigenerational incest families, and if they are allowed to survive they are trained as professional killers, military special forces, military pilots, "lone nuts", "lone nut gangs" like Columbine, "stalkers" like Bush family's CIA friend John Hinkley Jr who "shot" Reagan, drug runners, prostitutes, porn stars and spies, and presidents, kings and queens. This torure enhances certain physical capabilities, like 45-times better visual acuity, photographic/audio memory, and ability to kill by remote control without warning and without questioning orders and with total amnesiac immunity to torture confessions. MPD/DID slaves are forcefed coke/heroin/speed/acid to pump them up to kill for psycho Big Brother. All US Air Force pilots and US combat soldiers in Iraq are required to be forcefed speed (Go Pills reuslt in psychosis and Friendly Fire mass homicides) and sedatives (Stop Pills) and even Date Rape drugs to force amnesia of their serial killings of innocent civilians and babies. US troops carry APAC kits of cocaine/heroin so they can still fight when wounded without pain, fear or weakness. This CIA/Nazi mind kontrol program to manufacture Manchurian Candidates for Uncle Scam is named MK-ULTRA and Project Monarch, and confessed in congressional hearings and autobiographies, like Cathy O'Brien's "TRANCE Formation of America". This is River Tam's character background, which could be developed in Firefly per US gov't specification, as confessed by Fritz Springmeier and Cisco Wheeler in "The Illuminati Formula Used to Create an Undetectable Total Mind Controlled Slave". It is possible to deprogram/cure MPD/DID by bypassing head shrinkers who are barred under National Security laws from curing MPD/DID, as Cathy O'Brien and Cisco Wheeler proved. The biggest lack of suspension of disbelief arises from all Hollywood writers ignoring basic nuclear physics of solar/cosmic nuke radiation that makes human space travel impossible in or outside of planetary force fields (Van Allen Radiation Belts), due to killer gamma rays, x-rays and 6-million-mph nuke particles. No normal human nor cannibal can survive nuke radiation, without 5-feet of lead sheilding, thus no windows allowed. Writers ignoring inertial effects of motion also destroys the suspension of disbelief. NASA astronots, fighter pilots, race car drivers must strap themselves into their seats when in maneuverable motion, and same should apply to all Hollywood space epics. Watch the space shuttle astronauts bouncing from pogo during launch. Not to mention weightlessness as mandatory when coasting/orbiting in space. Doh!

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Wednesday, November 23, 2005 4:37 AM

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Originally posted by ncbrowncoat:
I see what you are trying to say. Once a behavior takes root it's awfully hard to change and in time may become the accepted behavior. Sometimes even just suggestions can do this and it doesn't take drugs.

Look at kids-the pressure is to conform the what ever kids decide the norm is and those that don't comply are ostrcized mercilously. To buck the peer pressure or be different can cause extreme emotional pain and in same cases they risk actual physical harm.

If it is a psycho-pharmaceutical effect, then I think its less to do with habits or social pressure, and more to do with, as mentioned before, secondary effects. For example- children given a particular drug for ADD (I wont mention by name for legal reasons + which is most commonly administered in the US) show trends of abnormal behaviour later in life. This may be a classic case of correlation is not cause, for all we know Americans just have a higher rate of becoming psychos (joke!). In all honesty we don’t know enough about brain chemistry to be able to be sure, but there are many journal papers about substances permanently altering the way the brains work, on fundamental chemical levels.

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Wednesday, November 23, 2005 4:46 AM

JAYTEE

I think the general theme is that just because you are horrifically violent and crazy it doesn't mean you are retarded although there could be some retarded Reavers out there. I'd also think that 25th century technology could play some part like maybe a really good "autopilot-cruise control" with an advanced version of a Garmin GPS navigation system. Just touch the ship or "food" you want to go to and the ship just goes there!

Jaytee

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Wednesday, November 23, 2005 6:31 AM

DAISYCUTTER

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Originally posted by DonCoat:
I think of the Reavers as being 18th-century pirates on acid.

Better example would be vikings...

That has a nice ring to it, "Vikings in space"

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Q: Why don't we just raise the defensive shields?
A: A superb suggestion with just two major drawbacks. One, we don't have any defensive shields. And two, we don't have any defensive shields. Technically speaking thats only one flaw, but it was such a big one I thought I mention it twice.

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Wednesday, November 23, 2005 6:45 AM

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Originally posted by DaisyCutter:
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Originally posted by DonCoat:
I think of the Reavers as being 18th-century pirates on acid.

Better example would be vikings...

That has a nice ring to it, "Vikings in space"

I think that puts a spin on it that none of us want.

If Reavers are like Vikings they should have literature, religion, social institutions, and such. I don't care how nice of a ring "Vikings in space" has; I can not picture (in any serious manner) a great Reaver poet.

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Wednesday, November 23, 2005 7:24 AM

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Originally posted by PurpleYin:
If it is a psycho-pharmaceutical effect, then I think its less to do with habits or social pressure, and more to do with, as mentioned before, secondary effects.

That's a hard thing to address, for a variety of reasons, one of them being that behavior effects the brain as well as drugs.

You mentioned ADD, and one of the causes of that is a great example. There is strong evidence linking watching television with quick cuts (like MTV) during developmental years to ADD. You can take children without ADD and, by behavior alone, alter their brain chemistry so that they will have ADD for the rest of their lives.

If a drug coincides with a behavior how do you tell which caused the change?

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On the other hand I personally don’t think it is brain chemistry at all with the Reavers. I think that the PAX had a temporary effect on the Reavers, and in that time (the same amount of time it took everyone else to waste away) they created a barbaric self-perpetuating culture.

When the PAX wore off, as I believe it did, there might have been some who we disgusted with themselves. There might have been some who said, “Why can’t we all just get along,” but after they were dealt with (in some disturbingly Reaver fashion) do you think any others would dare to even think that?

If they don’t think it they won’t do it.

On the other hand there might not have been any. After you have done what they have done is there any way to go back? Could a human psyche even survive internalizing our morality after they did those things?

And whether or not it could, would they even consider picking up our morality? The only time they interact with someone who has those moral standards is at dinner time. Everyone they ever knew (in a non-food manner) who had those morals and did not reject them wasted away and died on Miranda.

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In my mind Reavers follow normal human nature. Once people get pushed to a certain place it is hard to leave. Whether it was the PAX that pushed them or the blackness at the edge of space doesn’t matter because however they got there it is the act of being human that keeps them there.

People will do things out of habit, out of fear, out of peer pressure, and just because they have forgotten that another way to do things exists.

Obviously a Reaver is in the habit of being a Reaver, and her peers can do far worse than kill her if she disagrees with what they are doing. Further she knows only knows of two ways to exist post-Miranda: the way Reavers live, and the way their food lives. Most people are afraid to be food, a Reaver would be even more afraid because she knows exactly what Reavers do to their food before they dine.

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Wednesday, November 23, 2005 7:35 AM

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Originally posted by piratenews:
Writers ignoring inertial effects of motion also destroys the suspension of disbelief. NASA astronots, fighter pilots, race car drivers must strap themselves into their seats when in maneuverable motion, and same should apply to all Hollywood space epics. Watch the space shuttle astronauts bouncing from pogo during launch. Not to mention weightlessness as mandatory when coasting/orbiting in space. Doh!

Oh, like you've never heard of inertial dampers or artificial gravity before.

Plus, what's with the Bush-bashing?
(He's my he-woe)

Mind-controlled Chrisisall

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Wednesday, November 23, 2005 7:37 AM

Mind-controlled Chrisisall, victim of the evil government created double-post

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Wednesday, November 23, 2005 7:39 AM

You could be onto something. If the PAX made them kill, and behave in packs, and then it later wore off, how better to prove you're still 'one of the boys' than to show how off your head, and bad ass you are, by self mutilation, raping and skinning your victims alive. So a mixture of temporary psychosis mixed with social conditioning, where if you dont conform..your killed? sounds like it yould have a high conversion rate!

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Wednesday, November 23, 2005 9:18 AM

WUGGLYUMP

Concerning the Prion issue. First off this is long thread so I apologize if this aspect has been mentioned already.
Scientists have found that a percentage of people have a madcow susceptibility issue while others are not much affected at all. It is quite possible that Reavers could be simply a small population of susceptible people to the opposite effect. This would explain why many exposed to Reavers don’t contract the madness while a few others do.

As for the “madness” while keeping intelligence issue, I completely understand and personally know it is possible to be both insanely violent yet maintain some semblance of control. I was once prescribed pain medication after having my wisdom teeth removed and the reaction was not what anyone expected. Note: I’m normally a very quiet and peaceful person!
My mother suspected something was amiss the next day when she heard growling and yelling in the garage followed by a Volkswagen engine, VW bits and a what not somersaulting past the kitchen window. She went to investigate and found the car a torn up mess and me hefting the engine back into it. When she asked me what was wrong my reply was something to the tune of F***n stuck and to throw the tool box at her.
Later that day I attempted to shove my sister through a closed door, broke my father’s collar bone and wrestled with a few policemen.
I have very little recollection of any of this but apparently retained enough of my faculties to repair the car at some point seeing it was working when I got home the next day. It wasn’t pretty to look at but it worked and I hurt like hell from all the cuts, bruises and torn ligaments.

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Wednesday, November 23, 2005 10:40 AM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
what's with the Bush-bashing?
(He's my he-woe)

If you want to understand reaver mentality, then study Bush Jr/Sr, since they are psychopathic serial killers who worship Satan/Molech and perform "mock" human sacrifice every year at Bohemian Grove, in Monte Rio, California, with 3,000 world dictators and snuff kiddie porn cult members (according to court verdicts). Fascinating documentation, including undercover videotape of Bushes/Cheney worshipping a 50-foot-tall concrete idol of Satan at BG in 2000, by Alex Jones at Infowars.com radio.

UNDERCOVER VIDEO OF BUSH PERPING RITUAL HUMAN SACRIFICE AT BOHEMIAN GROVE:
http://radio.indymedia.org/news/2005/09/6737.php

Note that Bushes are best friends with fellow psycho homo drug dealer Bill "Clinton" (born Bill Blythe IV, an illegitimate Jewish son of Jewish Nazi trillionaire Lawrence Rockefeller), who also vacations every June at Bohemian Grove, with fellow "Christian" Jimmy Carter. DemoRat Gang and RepubliCan Gang are merely the traitorous British Whig Party, and are anti-American. Bush Jr even arrested 3 presidential candidates in 2004: the Green Party nominee, the Libertarian Party nominee, and John Buchanan of Republican Party, then paid a $51-million bribe to his royal Nazi Skull & Bones cousin of Count Dracula, Jew John Kerry, to not recount Kerry's overwhelming election victory. Kerry loves his psychopath cousins in Trance-Sylvania, where Countess Dracula Elizabeth Bathory was convicted of 600 ritual murders of female virgins to drink their blood for eternal life (her death sentence was to be bricked into her tower dungeon). If you want the scariest possible serial killing "fairy tales", then read a history book.

Bush Jr was the only survivor of a mass murdered/mass suicided narcoterror cannibal cult in Brownsville, Texas/Matamores, Mexico. In Chatannooga Tennessee Bush Jr was arrested for cannibalism of a woman he raped (he likes rape/murder of women like African American Margie Shoedinger who sued him for $50-million for rape in Houston fed court, but he mainly likes men like White House "correspondent" homohooker "Jeff Gannon"/"James Guckert" who spent 200 days/nights at Bush Jr's White House apartment, aka Johnny Gosch who was kidnapped by homo pedophile Bush Sr into CIA sex slave narco snuff kiddie porn cult, as reported in 60 articles in Washington Times - Wash Times is now owned by Korean Moonie CIA narcoterrorist cult owner Reverend Moon).

I don't "bush bash", whatever that is (sounds like a heck of a party), but I would personally make a citizen arrest of all Bush Gang for perping the domestic terrorist massacres on 9/11/2001, as already sued under RICO Act in multiple fed courts and prosecuted to state grand juries. Bush Jr was already arrested for theft, vandalism, DUI and cocaine, and pled guilty to DUI and cocaine possession (a felony). Every person who voted for Bushes and who refuse to renounce that mistake can be arrested, stripped of citizenship, deported to Commie Gitmo and tortured to death, as Bush "legalized" under U.S.A.P.A.T.R.I.O.T. Act, which Congress was not allowed to read before voting on it. There is no statute of limitations on murder or treason, or aiding and abeting those felonies after the fact. Ignorance of the law is no excuse. You might want to look at your instinct for self preservation and don't walk, RUN away from your worship of the psychopathic narcorterrorist Bush Gang, before you find yourself in a Death Camp. They don't have TeeVee in Death Camps, so then you can't watch Firefly.

It's entirely possible that Firefly was cancelled for reasons of National Security, for River's gov't-induced MPD/DID mind kontrol program, aka CIA's MK-ULTRA Project Monarch. Same problem with BTVS, for showing Riley brain-chipped by US Special Forces for mind kontrol, which is a declassified confession of the Pentagon's current program. Same with Fox TV's X-Files spinoff "Lone Gunmen", whose pilot episode featured Pentagon's declassified Operation Northwoods domestic terrorism plot to hijack a US airliner by remote control and crash it into World Trade Center in March 2001, to falsely blame a foreign nation and "justify" invasion and war. All Lone Gunmen characters were murdered off the first season, making it difficult to renew the contract for additional seasons, with no reruns of that episode allowed. BTVS got support from Fox when hyping paganism (Jewish Kabalism) and vampirism (royal Eurotrash hobby) vs Christianity, but got fired perhaps for showing gov't corruption perped by genocidal serial killers running gov't). Firefly also shows Mal wearing a Christian cross, which is blasphemy according to Jewish Talmudic law, punishable by death. Fox TV is owned by Australian Jewish porn king Rupert Murdock, who is a Knight of the bankrupt British Empire (mortage forclosed by Jewish counterfeit banksters like British Lord Rothschild, who picked gay porn star Arnold Schwarzennegger for governor of California), which burned Washington DC in the War of 1812. CIA (MI6) feeds plotlines to Hollywood on a multimillion-dollar annual budget, but sometimes the TeeVee tales cut too close to reality, and shows must be cancelled in retaliation. Did this happen to Firefly? I wonder what Joss would say, if he didn't have to fear retaliation for telling the truth?

VIDEO of Lone Gunmen vs US Govt hijacking US airliner by remote control to crash into WTC, BEFORE 9/11/2001:
http://september911surprise.com

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Wednesday, November 23, 2005 11:08 AM

Hey, I think Bush has a shot at destroying the world as we know it, but you're just kidding about most of this, right? Snuff porn, Satan worshiping, CIA pouring millions into Hollywood....Ha ha ha ...funny, right?

'Cause if not, it might be way past med time for you, buddy.

Chrisisall, Conspiracy Theorist- up to a point

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Wednesday, November 23, 2005 12:05 PM

i hear PAX can be transmitted digitaly now...

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Wednesday, November 23, 2005 2:28 PM

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Reavers vs River - conspiracy theory or conspiracy factory? YOU be the judge, jury and executioner!

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Hey, I think Bush has a shot at destroying the world as we know it, but you're just kidding about most of this, right? Snuff porn, Satan worshiping, CIA pouring millions into Hollywood....Ha ha ha ...funny, right?

"Funny" weird. Bush and Bin Laden families are lifetime CIA, and now own Hollywood's Universal Studios via Carlyle Group, the death-dealing Pentagon contractor, and thus own a piece of Joss Weedon, AND OWN THIS WEBSITE. Bush Jr follows his orders like a good alcoholic drug-addicted mind-kontrolled slave of the New World Order, otherwise he'd end up like JFKs. I know it's hard to believe our own eyes and brains, but that's between you and your own sanity, and none of my business.

Nebraska senator John DeCamp, attorney at law, US Army/CIA in Vietnam War Operation Phoenix Death Squad Program, won a million-dollar trial proving the truth of snuff kiddie porn and cannibalism at Bohemian Grove National Park Monument presidential compound and homo nudist colony in Monte Rio, CA. Read the trial affidavit and watch the video for yourself, if you dare... This is why Hunter S Thompson allegedly blew his own head off the week "Jeff Gannon" was outed as George Bushes' homohooker, according to LA CA FBI SAC Ted Gunderson.
http://www.nps.gov/muwo/history/timeline.htm
http://geocities.com/bohemian_grove_dirt
http://johnnygosch.com
http://infowars.com/bg1.html
http://www.tedgunderson.com/Investigations/Bohemian%20Grove.htm
http://www.hierarchypedia.com/wiki/index.php/Bohemian_Grove

FROM INFOWARS.COM RADIO BROADCAST, READING FROM DECAMP'S BOOK "THE FRANKLIN COVERUP":

John DeCamp: "I went in January, now this is Bonacci, this is Paul Bonacci writing this. This is directly word for word from his diary" [cannibalism and necrophilia censored for radio]:

"I went in January of 84' on every trip. I was paid by men King knew for sex. The summer of 84' sometime I was (?) and had sex with several men King knew in a hotel. I flew on (YNR) airlines , by the way it's a private airline or private charter deal and Cam airlines, another charter deal normally for King. I never had much personally to do with King only went where he told me to go. In or on July 26th , I went to Sacramento , CA . King flew me out in a private plane from (Eplick) airfield in Omaha to Denver where we picked up Nicholas. A boy who was about 12 or 13 then we flew to Vegas to a desert strip and drove into Las Vegas to some ranch and got something. Then flew onto to Sacramento. We were picked up by a white limo and taken to a hotel. I don't remember the name of it. We meaning, Nicholas and I ,were driven to an area that had big, big trees. It took about an hour to get there. There was a cage with a boy in it who was not wearing anything. Nicholas and I were given these tarzan things to put around us and stuff like that . They told me to , I won't use the word, blank the boy and stuff. In other words have sex with. At first I said No and they held a gun to my genitals I'll use the word and said do it or else lose them or something like that. I began doing it to the boy and stuff. And Nicholas had anal sex with him and stuff. We were told to blank him and stuff and beat on him. I didn't try to hurt him . We were told to put our blanks in his mouth and stuff and sit on the boys blank and stuff and they filmed it. We did this stuff to the boy for about 30 minutes or an hour when a man came in and kicked us and stuff and in the genitals. And picked us up and threw us. He grabbed the boy and started blanking him and stuff. The man was about , I'm not sure how to say , the man was about so many inches long and the boy screamed and stuff. The man was forcing his blank into the boy all the way. The boy was bleeding from his rectum and the men tossed me and him and stuff and put the boy right next to me and grabbed a gun and blew the boy's head off. The boy's blood was all over me and I started yelling and crying and the men grabbed Nicholas and I forced us to lie down. They put the boy on top of Nicholas who was crying and they were putting Nicholas's hands on the boys blank. They put the boy on top of me and did the same thing . They then forced me to blank the kid. It's pretty crude. They put a gun to our heads to make us do it. His blood was all over us. They made us kiss the boys lips. Anyway, a few other things . Then they made me do something I don't even want to write so I won't. After that the men grabbed Nicholas and dragged him off screaming . They put me up against a tree and put a gun to my head but fired into the air. I heard another shot from somewhere and then saw the man who killed the boy drag him like a toy. Everything including when the men put the boy in the trunk was filmed . The men took me with them and we went up in a plane. I saw the bag the boy was in. We went over a very thick brush area with a clearing in it. Over the clearing they dropped the boy. One said the man with the hood would take care of the body for them. I didn't see Nicholas until that night at the hotel. He and I hugged and held each other for a long while. About 2 hours later then men or Larry King came in and told us to go take a shower since we'd had only been hosed off at some guys house. We took a shower together and were told to put on the tarazan things and after we were cleaned up and dressed in these things we were told to put on shorts, socks and a shirt and shoes and were driven to a house where the men were at some others. They had the film and they played it . As the men watched it they passed Nicholas and I around as if we were toys …."

Alex Jones: "Stay right there. This is what the New World Order wants to do to your kids."
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2004/210704johndecamp.htm
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/franklincoverupexcerpt.shtml

"The Bohemian Grove, which I attend from time to time.It is the most faggy goddamned thing you could ever imagine with that San Francisco crowd. I can't shake hands with anybody from San Francisco."
-President Richard Nixon on White House audio tapes, Nixon Presidential Library
http://www.prisonplanet.com/032604nixontape.html

"Of course the CIA in particular was involved in investigating, learning and, on occasion, using, everything we could learn about mind control-and with extremely good reason. 'Monarch' was merely a name that some participants in the program. We are not behind in knowledge of mind control. We poured incredible resources into this area. And yes, I am sure, there were some abuses that occurred."
-CIA director Bill Colby, "suicided" by canoe crash during testimony to Congress, from "The Franklin Coverup"

VIDEO DOWNLOADS: Boners at Bohemian Grove - Music by Counter Coup and John Lee; Snuff kiddie porn at Bohemian Grove - Alex Jones of Infowars.com interviews Senator John DeCamp author of The Franklin Coverup, music by Counter Coup and Bohemian Club (UNcensored text from book)
http://radio.indymedia.org/news/2005/09/6737.php

"CIA Goes Hollywood - A Classic Case of Deception"
http://www.cia.gov/csi/studies/winter99-00/art1.html

"The CIA's Operation Hollywood - 'Company of Spies' Wins Raves From Image-Conscious Agency,"
By Vernon Loeb
Washington Post Staff Writer
"The Central Intelligence Agency went to the movies last night and didn't get heartburn, hosting the first gala film premiere in agency history for the first spy thriller ever to bear the CIA's stamp of approval. 'In the Company of Spies,' scheduled to air Oct. 24 on the Showtime cable channel, may not go down as a classic of the genre. But it sure looked like Hollywood outside the CIA's main entrance in Langley, bright with klieg lights. Black rope lines and a long red carpet led from the lobby to a parade of black stretch limousines. Director of Central Intelligence George J. Tenet; his wife, Stephanie Glakas-Tenet; and their 12-year-old son, John Michael, waited for the stars to arrive, warmly greeting Tom Berenger, who plays a swashbuckling CIA operations officer, and Ron Silver, who plays, well, George Tenet by another name. 'They were great to work with,' Tenet said. 'They portray us in a good light, and I want the American people to know the values we believe in. Our work is secret and it will always be secret. But every now and then, we should take the opportunity to portray ourselves. A little bit of fun--there's nothing wrong with that.'
http://www.fas.org/sgp/news/1999/10/wp101499.html

X-Files Lone Gunmen Successfully Predict 9/11/2001 Terror Attacks Perped by US Gov't via CIA/Pentagon's Operation Northwoods' 1960s technology:
"Lone Gunmen/X-Files actor, Dean Haglund, who played the role of Richard 'Ringo' Langly in both series appeared on the Alex Jones Show. Jones and Haglund talked about the Lone Gunmen episode that aired prior to September 11th in which an inside faction of the government posing as terrorists hijacks a 727 by remote control and targets the World Trade Center. Haglund stated that after years of writing the X-files, the FBI and NASA would approach Chris Carter with plots for stories."
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/december2004/171204haglund.htm (includes video of TV episode)

US Marine Corps Warfighting Laboratory
"X-Files" FOR REAL logo shows US gov't dragon eating WTC before 9/11/2001...
http://www.mcwl.quantico.usmc.mil/x-files.cfm

"Why shouldn't fact be stranger than fiction? Fiction, after all, HAS to make sense."
-Mark Twain (aka Sam Clemens)

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Wednesday, November 23, 2005 3:58 PM

Look, I'm all for anti establishment tangents and whatnot, but this has been a very productive, relatively on track, intellectual and philosophical thread.

Can we please keep at least slightly on topic?

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Wednesday, November 23, 2005 4:26 PM

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TOPIC: "How do Reavers pilot ships, them being insane cannibals and such?"

It depends on the definition of "insane", which is a word that is NOT used by medical doctors in the DSM-IV, since it is impossible to define. Criminal courts also use a different definition than medical doctors. Cannibals Henry Lee Lucas and Ottis Toole both drove, owned and maintained cars, yet never attended high school - they just robbed people, killed them, then raped them and feasted on them, and used the stolen money to pay a mechanic to do the dirty work. The military, government and large corporations prove that intelligence is not mandatory for employment or promotion, since jobs are compartmentalized. Heck, even alcoholic doper GW Bush flew a jet fighter, somehow without killing himself, but then was stripped of his pilot license for refusing a direct order to take a piss test (a felony).

RIVER/REAVER FARM

How to manufacture an army of psycho warrior slaves for your Serenity/Firefly script? Just ask psycho Big Brother... They must be brainwashed virtually from birth, using extreme tortures. Picture the scariest slasher movie in the world, then apply it FOR REAL to little children EVERY DAY of their lives, then turn them loose on the world as an army of killer cannibal zombies... just like the Reavers. Bush/CIA/MI6 cartel controls world "narcotics" traffic for over 100 years, since winning British-China Opium Wars, accellerated by NAFTA to eliminate US-Mexican border. Since Bush Gang won Afghanistan, and promoted a Knight of the British Empire to president of Afghanistan, Afghan heroin farming is now up 10,000%. Bush/CIA/MI6 control all dope imports into USA, distributed by CIA/military/police/gangs, aided by their brainwashed army of killer zombies.

This real-world history fits the Reaver/River plot, since River is an escapee from the gov't's killer zombie torture cult, just like whistleblowers Cathy O'Brien, et al. Hollywood writers and cops take note, and see if anyone can figure out a way to defeat these organized criminals, once and for all:

"The Illuminati Formula Used to Create
an Undetectable Total Mind Controlled Slave"
by Cisco Wheeler and Fritz Springmeier:
http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/if_chapter2.htm

"The primary or initial torture for many children in western U.S. was done at China Lake which officially has gone under the designations Naval Ordinance Test Station (pronounced in short as NOTS), Naval Weapons Center, NWC, Ridgecrest (the town nearby), and Inyo-kern (the area).The address of Nimitz Hospital is the code "232 Naval Air Weapons Station". The base was set up to test "new weapons". Evidently, the Navy decided that mind controlled people were an important weapon to test. Most of the "new weapons" created at China Lake were for the most part human robots turned out in large numbers. The Monarch Mind Control was carried out in large airplane hangers on the base which have been able to house thousands of tiny cages just large enough for human babies. Lots of 1,000 babies was a small batch. According to people who worked in the hangers helping program, many batches were 2,000 or 3,000 babies. Many survivors remember the thousands of cages housing little children from ceiling to floor. The cages were hot wired (electrified on the ceiling, bottom and sides) so that the children who are locked inside can receive horrific electric shocks to their bodies to groom their minds to split into multiple personalities. These cages are called Woodpecker Grids. The victim sees a flash of light when high D.C. voltage is applied. Later, this flash of light is used with hypnotic induction to make the person think they are going into another dimension when they are blasted "with high voltage. In the Peter Pan programming, the Programmers tell the slaves that this is riding the light." One of the popular traumas after the small child has endured the Woodpecker Grid cages for days is to rape it. The rape is intentionally brutal so that it will be as traumatic as possible. Many of the technical people on the base are civilians. This is in part because part of the research involves mind-control, and Illuminati civilian mind-control experts have come and gone from the base. The California Institute of Technology at Pasadena is intimately connected to China Lake’s research (and by the way to the Illuminati). Also much of the work at the facility is for the intelligence agencies and not the military." [just like Abu Ghraib, Iraq and Gitmo]

"Henry: Portrait of a Bush Supporter"
(Otis Toole's was Henry Lee Lucas' partner who cut the head off Adam "America's Most Wanted" Walsh)
http://rigorousintuition.blogspot.com/2005/03/henry-portrait-of-bush-s
upporter.html

"'Please,' Bush whimpers, his lips pursed in mock desperation, 'don't kill me.'"
-Tucker Carlson re George W. Bush, Time Magazine

"As Governor of Texas, George W Bush notched 152 - count -em! - confirmed kills. A personal best, until 9/11. His giddy impression of Tucker even got under the skin of scary Republican presidential candidate Gary Bauer, who said "I think it is nothing short of unbelievable that the governor of a major state running for president thought it was acceptable to mock a woman he decided to put to death." Bush did not care if the condemned were mentally ill or had been a juvenile offender. He did not hesitate to execute Betty Lou Beets, a great-grandmother convicted of killing her chronically abusive partner. ("What my husband started, Texas will finish," she said.) There was no exception to Bush's repeated position that "he would only consider granting clemency in cases of actual innocence or where the courts have failed to provide a thorough review on appeal." Well, one teeny exception: Henry Lee Lucas. Remember Henry? He confessed to up to 600 murders, though he may have been guilty for as "few" as six, while most accounts place the likely number at several dozen. Henry was the recipient of Governor Bush's sole pardon, because the particular murder for which he was sentenced was found to be unsupported by evidence. Less than two weeks before Lucas was to be executed, Bush intervened, and asked his appointed parole board to review Henry's case. And "eight days later the Board uncharacteristically recommended that Henry's execution not take place." The funny-strange thing is, many of the 152 who were not fortunate enough to receive the Governor's favour also had evidence supporting their claims of innocence. But Lucas did not just receive a temporary stay while his case was reviewed, but a full clemency. Was there more to Lucas than the lone, random psychopath? From David McGowan's "Programmed to Kill": 'Lucas claimed that he was trained by a nationwide satanic cult in a mobile paramilitary training camp in the Florida Everglades.... Henry further claimed the leaders of the camp were so impressed with his handling of a knife that he was allowed to serve as an instructor. Following his training, Henry claimed that he served the cult in various ways, including as a contract killer and as an abductor of children, whom he delivered to a ranch in Mexico near Juarez. Once there, they were used in the production of child pornography and for ritual sacrifices. Henry has said that this cult's operations were based in Texas, and included trafficking in children and drugs, among other illegal pursuits. What Henry claimed, essentially, is that what appeared to be the random work of a serial killer was in fact a planned series of crimes often committed for specific purposes....' Before his rampage, Lucas had spent 10 years in prison for murdering his mother, nearly half that time in a psychiatric ward, where he received "intensive drug and electroshock treatments." He later described it as a "nightmare that would not end," and complained of hearing voices in his head.
Anyone who has studied MKULTRA knows how covert mind control research was conducted in hospitals on unwitting psychiatric patients. Was Lucas one, who was then released into the service of a sheltered Satanic cult of child pornographers?"

"Henry Lee Lucas & Ottis Toole - The Tag Team from Hell"
http://www.mayhem.net/Crime/lucas.html

"Some of the crimes, he said, were committed under orders from the Satanic cult, the Hand of Death, who recruited them to help out with the human sacrifices. "They take a live girl and put her on the table and split her open and take all of her organs out," he told police, adding that sometimes they would take the entrails and "put them in a pot and cooked 'em." The Hand of Death has also been mentioned by Charles Manson and New York's infamous Son of Sam as the true masterminds behind their crimes."

"Remember that one time I said I wanted me some ribs? Did that make me a cannibal? Remember how I liked to pour blood out of them?"
-Ottis Toole, Reaver OJT
http://www.carpenoctem.tv/killers/toole.html

"I enjoy dead sex more than I do live sex."
-Henry Lee Lucas, Reaver OJT
http://www.mayhem.net/Crime/lucas.html

"Yes, the death mantra–here it is, the three-line Skull and Bones initiation-ritual theme that has bound three Presidents (including the present one) to their secret society:
‘THE HANGMAN EQUALS DEATH!
THE DEVIL EQUALS DEATH!
DEATH EQUALS DEATH!’"
-Ron Rosenbaum, New York Observer, "At Skull and Bones, Bush's Secret Club Initiates Ream Gore," April 23, 2001
http://www.propagandamatrix.com/archive_skull_and_bones.html

The point being, "The Hand of Death" is controlled by "The Brotherhood of Death" - Skull & Bones, which is CIA/MI6 Shadow Gov't. So Reaver gangs can be invented and manufactured and maintained by "the gov't", just like CIA works with all mafia gangs, including "AlCIAda" terrorists ("The Database"). The majority of gov't employees are not allowed to know the truth of this relationship, neither in space fantasy nor on Earth. "Order Out of Chaos" is the Masonic motto quoted by Bush Jr to describe 9/11 and Iraq War. Reavers create chaos, and gov't's martial law creates order out of the manufactured chaos, and "justifies" its existance of its Alliance Police State (same theme in latest Star Wars). Individual police and soldiers are expendable (like USS Liberty was attacked by Israel under orders from LBJ to blame Egypt), while Reavers and "confidential informants" (career criminals) are granted Get Out of Jail Free Cards, without fear of a War On Reavers, nor War On Crime. The more people are led to falsely believe this scenario is a fairy tale, the more power is wielded by The Elite slave owners, both on Earth and in fantasy space. River, as a Special Forces operative, is probably not "designed" to attack Reavers, but to complement the Alliance arsenal of Reavers, for keeping the sheeple-slaves in line, probably as a lone assassin of citizen-troublemakers. Is this what Joss is trying to say, within the confines of his employers' strict limits?

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Thursday, November 24, 2005 5:57 AM

so...how's the weather on your end? its kinda drizzly here.

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Thursday, November 24, 2005 9:05 AM

Actually PirateNews I hear it's to do with the martians.
As it turns out Martians own the Illuminati, linked with the globalist body snatchers from Ceti Alpha VI.

They wish to turn the entire population of the Earth into the next big taste sensation to hit the universe, Crumbs Country delights could make a killing...
erm...
literally.

Yes GWB just acts like a moron, he's really a super intelligent shade of the colour blue, who owns the universe.

More insane ramblings by the people who brought
Remember, the ice caps aren't melting, the water is being liberated.

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Thursday, November 24, 2005 10:42 AM

So it's true, there is alway a way to work in a Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy reference.

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Thursday, November 24, 2005 10:49 AM

THUNDERGHOST

my two cents regarding anger and aggression is as follows:
One can certainly be aggressive without being angry, take a deer hunter, he is most certainly aggressive against the deer, he can track it for long stretches and when he finds it he shoots and sometimes cut it's head off have it stuffed and mounted on a wall.
Should we infer that he hates the deer and/or is angry with it?

And one can be angry without being aggressive, I've been angry with someone without chasing them or hit them.

To sum up, Angry is an emotion and Aggressive is an action, and you can have one without the other.

Oh and most known Cannibalistic tribes found were not angry people but they were on occasion quite aggressive.(I'm thinking mostly about the New Guinea tribes when writing this)

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Thursday, November 24, 2005 11:12 AM

A laural and hardy handshake to anyone who names all the refrences within my last post

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
Remember, the ice caps aren't melting, the water is being liberated.

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Thursday, November 24, 2005 11:23 AM

War of the Worlds
Tomb Raider
Invasion of the Body Snatchers
Star Trek II
Mars Attacks(?)
Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy

How'd I do? Chrisisall

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Thursday, November 24, 2005 11:24 AM

So close, you missed just one...

Replace Mars Attacks with...

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Thursday, November 24, 2005 12:17 PM

Predator- no.
Independence Day- no.
Citizen, you're killin' me!!

WHAT???

Chrisisall

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Thursday, November 24, 2005 12:27 PM

Ok, it's Peter Jackson's first film, Bad Taste.

Where a group of Aliens from Crumbs Country delights attack a small New Zealand township, chop up the inhabitants and liquify their brains and spinal fluid/matter into a tasty and nutritous gruel.

Their plans are thwarted when Earth sends in 'The Boys' who are tasked with protecting the Earth (and the moon, yeah, and the moon) from the Alien bastards.

Remember, he's a Derrick, Derricks don't run.

Hi-larious, and lives up to it's name...

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
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Thursday, November 24, 2005 12:42 PM

I must check that one out.

Chrisisallabout bad taste

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Thursday, November 24, 2005 1:57 PM

OPERATIVEBOOK

On the issue of recruiting:

Spoilers:

Select to view spoiler:

That the Reavers haven't salvaged, or somehow synthesized, the Pax? They're not stupid, and they could have probably found a way to make more Pax from the Pax they already had. It may seem like a longshot, but it would explain a lot.

"I wasn't always a Shepard, Mal"-Book

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Thursday, November 24, 2005 2:13 PM

do you really think they know about the PAX?

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Thursday, November 24, 2005 11:59 PM

GALENFLY

Quote:
Originally posted by PurpleYin:
do you really think they know about the PAX?

I don’t think so, Reavers would have been affected with out knowing why they were doing it. Just like you can get CO2 asphyxiation with out knowing why you are so tired. Most of the original Reavers probably already had aggressive tendencies. The PAX just broke the normal societal restraints and fueled their aggressive tendencies. As for the actual compound it doesn’t really matter, medicine would be advanced enough where you can’t classify what is it is with today’s medical terms. Just like you couldn’t describe what a prion was 20 years ago.

I prefer the PAX kick starter and then Reaver society maintaining it. Many tribes around the world have rituals that can include self-mutilations (ie piercing, scarification, tattoos, and body modification) as well as cannibalism. Most of the traits we see in Reavers can be fond on Earth-that-is, just not all in one single tribe. People can join followings like cults and tribes and do horrendous things buy “normal standards” but are not horrendous by the standards of the group. This will allow for “recruiting” of new Reavers to replace the high mortality rate of the group. There are historical instances of ultra-aggressive behavior of one society to outside influences, especially when influenced with religious fervor. The “kill first, never ask questions” mentality

For another train of thought: maybe the survivor in Bushwacked was already a Reaver. We are never told if he was actually with the homesteaders. Everyone just assumed he was. Maybe he took too long with his meal. Or maybe the whole ambush could have been a rite of passage for “Reaver Men”. A kinda of ”Take over the next ship to prove you’re a man” thing. (interesting if considering Reaver procreation) The Reavers could also have left him as a punishment. “Your not worthy to be with us until you prove yourself to us.” All are very plausible and fit within the story frame we see.

All in all, it makes for an interesting discussion since Reavers are not “aliens”, and cannot be dismissed as such, but men gone bad, really really bad men. It forces us to think about what we are really capable of.

“That’s no ordinary rabbit, its got HUGE pointy teeth… Look at the bones man!”

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Friday, November 25, 2005 9:15 AM

Good point. Perhaps if it were a rite of passage, the reavers were to return after his transformation, and pick him up. That, or he was expected to fly the ship to miranda.

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Saturday, November 26, 2005 1:15 PM

XEROGRAVITY

How it comes to be that this thread is still alive defies all explanation.

Bottom line about cannibalism (direct from the Reaver cookbook)...

people taste just like chicken. pinch of salt, a snort of pepper...

XG

No such thing as gravity. The "Earth-that-was" just sucks.

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Thursday, December 8, 2005 11:32 PM