Firefly is like whoa by JustLikeSundayMorning

You've not seen War Stories?

Are you ever in for a treat. It has one of The All Time Best Ever Moments that will elicit another Whoa from you. Promise.

G

There's a whole airflow...

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Thursday, November 24, 2005 4:58 PM

FOLLOWMAL

Hi, JustLikeSundayMorning

I got interested in Firefly because of SciFi too.
I got addicted quick. It's such a good show. I HAD to buy the DVD set, then when I wanted to loan them to someone so they could fall in love too, I found I couldn't part with them, so I had to purchase another set. 3 sets later... and another one to be bought soon, to share with my brother, I'm hooked!

You are gonna love "War Stories"! My daughter considers it the best episode.

I have "Finding Serenity" (the book) and after the holidays, I plan to watch the episodes and try to teach myself some of the Mandarin sayings using the book to help me. I highly recommend this book, for the Chinese sayings and because it's just such a good read, about a subject I love!

More "Whoas" comin' your way, I promise.

'Cause how you get there is the worthier part. -- Book

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Thursday, November 24, 2005 6:54 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Gixxer:
You've not seen War Stories?

Are you ever in for a treat. It has one of The All Time Best Ever Moments that will elicit another Whoa from you. Promise.

G

There's a whole airflow...

Just curious which moment you were referring to in particular? Because there are many pretty incredible/unforgettable moments/scenes in that episode:) :(

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"Love keeps her in the air when she oughta fall down, tells you when she's hurting 'fore she keens. Makes her a home." .......We love you, captain.

"This is the captain. We may experience some slight turbulence and then.....explode"

Zoe necklace replica and other jewelry at www.exoticcatz.com/fireflyshop , Firefly/Serenity images at www.exoticcatz.com/fireflyphotos>

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Thursday, November 24, 2005 8:02 PM

JACQUI

Hey, welcome!!

Always good to see new faces. And you just know once you start watching Firefly, you'll be addicted.

Question, not really related to anything, but... given your username... are you a No Doubt fan?

*~*~*
"He's hurting a woman, he really *is* a bad guy... and I wouldn't call him a gentleman."
- Kyle, 9, watching 'Serenity'.

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Thursday, November 24, 2005 10:03 PM

ANDRE83

Quote:
Originally posted by jetflair:
Just curious which moment you were referring to in particular? Because there are many pretty incredible/unforgettable moments/scenes in that episode:) :(

I keep thinking about Book; "understood" (and everything around that phrase). Priceless! :)

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Friday, November 25, 2005 4:01 AM

You were wondering about The Particular Moment? Can't spoiler it, of course, but

When the...are all...and there's just...left and...no hope...and out of nowhere...can't look
...can stop me.

Especially powerful if you haven't seen the BDM, because it really just came out of nowhere.

Considering how much the rest of the episode had wound you up already, it was a real stunner and the sort of thing to make you jump up on the sofa and whoop (except not in that deeply naff Tom Cruise...just-got-myself-another-bird, even-though-to-be-honest-this-one-is-not-much-of-a-looker-either-note-to-kick-self-for-breaking-up-with-Nicole...way).

G

Don't tease me. You know what I do for a living.

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Friday, November 25, 2005 5:07 AM

FOREVERSHINY

Quote:
Originally posted by Gixxer:
You've not seen War Stories?

Are you ever in for a treat. It has one of The All Time Best Ever Moments that will elicit another Whoa from you. Promise.

G

There's a whole airflow...

Neither have I. Truth be told, I'm kinda squemish when it comes to torture and things, so I didn't really want to.

Is it really all that bad?

~ForeverShiny~

~~~~~~~~~~~
Can't stop the signal!
"No, Cap'n, I think it's shiny!"--Kaylee, o'course.
"Yeah, but she's our witch, so cut her the hell down." --Mal in "Safe."

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Friday, November 25, 2005 9:46 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by ForeverShiny:
Quote:
Originally posted by Gixxer:
You've not seen War Stories?

Are you ever in for a treat. It has one of The All Time Best Ever Moments that will elicit another Whoa from you. Promise.

G

There's a whole airflow...

Neither have I. Truth be told, I'm kinda squemish when it comes to torture and things, so I didn't really want to. Is it really all that bad?

~ForeverShiny~

~~~~~~~~~~~
Can't stop the signal!
"No, Cap'n, I think it's shiny!"--Kaylee, o'course.
"Yeah, but she's our witch, so cut her the hell down." --Mal in "Safe."

I am probably the perfect person to answer your question, because I too am very squemish about torture scenes, and the inclusion of one in an otherwise enjoyable movie can ruin it for me.

To answer your question, it is "all that bad." It is brutal, graphic, and utterly heartbreaking. It's one of the more heartless torture scenes I've had the misfortune to watch, and our boy Nathan plays it so convincingly and so heartbreakingly that I've found myself curled up motionless and cowering on the bed without so much as breathing.

BUT, and this is a very important but, this is the only movie/tv/whatever story with a torture scene that I have re-watched, and I would now rank it as one of the best and even one of my favorite episodes.

The story that surrounds it is so well written, funny, and moving that it is worth the experience. It is classic Firefly, and you will love Mal and Wash and the whole crew so much by the end of it that you'll be glad the episode is there. It really changes, in a good way, your perception of them.

A couple of suggestions:

After you watch it, if you're in shock and just can't get it out of your head, watch it again with Alan and Nathan's commentary on. It's lighthearted and funny and will bring home the fact that Alan and Nathan were not being tortured, it was skillful acting by two funny guys who enjoy their job.

If you end up tuning out much of what's going on the first time because you're cowering on the couch with your eyes closed, bring yourself to watch it again. It'll be worth it.

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"Love keeps her in the air when she oughta fall down, tells you when she's hurting 'fore she keens. Makes her a home." .......We love you, captain.

"This is the captain. We may experience some slight turbulence and then.....explode"

Zoe necklace replica and other jewelry at www.exoticcatz.com/fireflyshop , Firefly/Serenity images at www.exoticcatz.com/fireflyphotos>

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Friday, November 25, 2005 10:15 AM

Oh my. I didn't expect so many replies so quickly. O.O

Lets start with: Yes, I am a No Doubt fan, but that's not where it came from. I was actually thinking of Maroon 5. But you can call me Jen, so you don't have to type out all that, or C&P it.

And I am going to ask for the DVD set for X-mas, so hopefully I'll get it, or money with which to purchase it. I've read a lot about War Stories, and it sounds AMAZING. I can't wait to see it. I'm not that squeamish, so there shouldn't be much of a problem. Except I might cry. But that happens when you start to invest yourself in the characters.

Like when I saw Serenity. I cried over Wash. That was so sad...I mean, after all, we all know he's the funny one.

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Friday, November 25, 2005 10:53 AM

FOREVERSHINY

Ahhhh, okay, thanks Jetflair. I will try to watch it.

~ForeverShiny~

~~~~~~~~~~~
Can't stop the signal!
"No, Cap'n, I think it's shiny!"--Kaylee, o'course.
"Yeah, but she's our witch, so cut her the hell down." --Mal in "Safe."

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Friday, November 25, 2005 11:34 AM

Hi guys. I'm a sort-of-new to FF fan,too, having encountered it late this summer on SciFi and then acquiring the dvd set. It's a distressingly addictive little show, isn't it? My productivity went wayyyyyy down for a week or two or three there while I explored this 'verse.

I really like "War Stories" for a variety of reasons, mostly to do with people and their motives, but there is something about that episode that nags me a little. If Niska was listening to Mal's attempts to rally Wash by provoking him about his wife, and was really interested in giving them pain, and then the very wife over which Mal and Wash were "fighting" walked in, would a true sadist pass up the chance to mentally torture both men by taking Zoe prisoner, too? I know she was trusting Niska's twisted but present sense of honor, but still... I would think he'd find it all just too tempting.

By the way, I loved Gixxer's clever method of describing the scene where that thing happened and no one but hmmmmhmmmm saw it, which was really intergral to the rest of the story but not for a few episodes. Shine on, wed-pals.

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Friday, November 25, 2005 11:53 AM

That nagged me a bit too. But he may not have known she was Wash's wife, and I think it was mainly Mal he wanted to hurt. Having Mal alone to himself without the support of Wash's presence probably suited Niska just fine.
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"Love keeps her in the air when she oughta fall down, tells you when she's hurting 'fore she keens. Makes her a home." .......We love you, captain.

"This is the captain. We may experience some slight turbulence and then.....explode"

Zoe necklace replica and other jewelry at www.exoticcatz.com/fireflyshop , Firefly/Serenity images at www.exoticcatz.com/fireflyphotos>

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Friday, November 25, 2005 11:57 AM

That last line of mine was meant to be "WEB-pals," by the way. Ah, you think you've proofread...

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Saturday, November 26, 2005 12:16 AM

"Wed-pals" was a might unsettlin'(not that we're not obviously flattered, of course).

You get given a hat made out of a tree...

G

Were I unwed, (and slightly worried that you might be a bloke from Montana in a log cabin full of guns)...etc

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Saturday, November 26, 2005 2:40 AM

GRAYFURY

Quote:
Originally posted by jetflair:
Quote:
Originally posted by Gixxer:
You've not seen War Stories?

Are you ever in for a treat. It has one of The All Time Best Ever Moments that will elicit another Whoa from you. Promise.

G

There's a whole airflow...

Just curious which moment you were referring to in particular? Because there are many pretty incredible/unforgettable moments/scenes in that episode:) :(

________________________________________________________________________

"Love keeps her in the air when she oughta fall down, tells you when she's hurting 'fore she keens. Makes her a home." .......We love you, captain.

"This is the captain. We may experience some slight turbulence and then.....explode"

Zoe necklace replica and other jewelry at www.exoticcatz.com/fireflyshop , Firefly/Serenity images at www.exoticcatz.com/fireflyphotos

He has to mean River with her eyes shut!

"Dear God In Heaven!" - Plastic Dinosaur

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Saturday, November 26, 2005 1:43 PM

Shinji nakano tempura honda!!!!

I think the whole "hasn't seen War Stories yet" thing may have sneaked by you like a cunningly concealed herd of cows.

Hopefully you can go edit it and use the anti-spoiler function thingy before it's too late.

G

Damn. Too late...

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Saturday, November 26, 2005 2:43 PM

Spoiling is fine. Just because you read it doesn't mean you really get it. I'm sure having read that and then seeing it I'll still be totally blown away, since JetFlair said it was one of the best torture scenes ever.

I went to the mall yesterday and saw the DVD set in a store and my friends thought I was crazy when I hugged it. But what else can you do when you don't have the money to buy it? And they didn't believe me when I said it was awesome.

But when I do get it, I will tie them to chairs and prop their eyes open.

Saffron: I do know my bible, sir. On the night of their betrothal the wife shall open to the man as the furrow to the plow. He shall work in her again and again, til she bring him to his full. And rest him then upon the sweat of her breast.
Mal: Whoa. Good bible.

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Saturday, November 26, 2005 4:02 PM

FOREVERSHINY

Hey, JustLikeSundayMorning? (do you have a shortened version of that?

)Just a question: what does your tag mean?

Cheers,
~ForeverShiny~

~~~~~~~~~~~
Can't stop the signal!
"No, Cap'n, I think it's shiny!"--Kaylee, o'course.
"Yeah, but she's our witch, so cut her the hell down." --Mal in "Safe."

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Saturday, November 26, 2005 6:26 PM

GEDEON

Yeah, what does it mean. I can't find that anywhere...

No wait, I got rid of the uncomfortableness! It's in OMR...

Wuh duh ma huh ta duh fung-kwong duh wai-shung doh [Wash sounds like Woo duh ma huh ta duh fong-kwong duh wai-shuh doo.]
"Holy mother of god and all her wacky Nephews"
Wash, response to Saffron's advances
If I wanted schooling, I'd have gone to school...

Gedeon

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Sunday, November 27, 2005 1:25 AM

Oh yes.

Line the cast up in full '70s glittery crimplene jumpsuits, droopy moustaches and huge 'fros, and have them sing it with those snappy Commodores moves.

Even have girly backing singers for the "...Wah, wah, wah, wah..."s.

Big million seller. Guaranteed.

G

Hmm... Big angry man in stained t-shirt running towards me. I wonder what he...OWWW!!!

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Sunday, November 27, 2005 10:28 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by ForeverShiny:
Hey, JustLikeSundayMorning? (do you have a shortened version of that? )

You can just call me JEN (minus captialising it all)

And I love that translated. I'm going to start saying it in english.

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Monday, November 28, 2005 7:57 AM

Not to quibble, but I think it's "fall," as in, "until she brings him to his fall." I think they use "fall" as a term for orgasm. On this site there is (or used to be) a shooting script for "Trash," and there is a really neat exchange in it between Zoe and Inara in which Inara says that the only sin worse than double booking (for a Companion) is a "badly-faked fall." I'm not aware of "fall" being used thus in other realms, but Shakespeare sometimes used "die" as a double-entendre for orgasm.

By the by, does anyone know if that really is in the bible? It's not the sort of thing one tends to hear from pulpit or podium, and I'm not that well versed in chapter and verse.

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Monday, November 28, 2005 1:12 PM

DONCOAT

Quote:
Originally posted by Inka:
Not to quibble, but I think it's "fall," as in, "until she brings him to his fall." I think they use "fall" as a term for orgasm. On this site there is (or used to be) a shooting script for "Trash," and there is a really neat exchange in it between Zoe and Inara in which Inara says that the only sin worse than double booking (for a Companion) is a "badly-faked fall." I'm not aware of "fall" being used thus in other realms, but Shakespeare sometimes used "die" as a double-entendre for orgasm.

Well, going by the subtitles, it's "full", not "fall".

Quote:
By the by, does anyone know if that really is in the bible? It's not the sort of thing one tends to hear from pulpit or podium, and I'm not that well versed in chapter and verse.

No, it's not in the Bible of today. Maybe a few additions are forthcoming over the next 500 years.

I did a text search for "plow" and "furrow" (individually and together) over about a dozen Bible versions. There are some hits, but none of them are anything like Saffron's quote.

Perhaps it's in the same chapter as the part about the "special hell"...

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Ain't about you, Jayne. It's about what they need.

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Monday, November 28, 2005 1:31 PM

SAMEERTIA

Quote:
Originally posted by Inka:
Not to quibble, but I think it's "fall," as in, "until she brings him to his fall." I think they use "fall" as a term for orgasm. On this site there is (or used to be) a shooting script for "Trash," and there is a really neat exchange in it between Zoe and Inara in which Inara says that the only sin worse than double booking (for a Companion) is a "badly-faked fall." I'm not aware of "fall" being used thus in other realms, but Shakespeare sometimes used "die" as a double-entendre for orgasm.

I guessed that the line in the script refers to Inara's badly faked fall in "Our Mrs. Reynolds" when she gets nailed by the 'goodnight kiss' via Mal. ("I just hit my head, is all"!)

The line Saffron speaks, according to the subtitles, is "bring him to his full".

Oragasms have been known as the 'little death' since Roman times, not just since Shakespeare.

"I'm NOT a monster!"

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Monday, November 28, 2005 2:34 PM

On the not-so-off chance that I was being forgetful,blind or stupid, I went back to that script and found that section. It reads 'fall,' and they're definately talking about "the little death," (thank you SameErtia for the Roman info).

Try look:
***

ZOE
(curious)
What happens if you got an
appointment coming and you ain't
finished the one you're at?

INARA
Overbooking is a cardinal sin.
Clients must feel the experience is
timeless. Only thing worse is a
badly faked fall.

***
It goes on, and it's a really neat scene, because most of the time Zoe and Inara don't seem to have much to do with each other, but in this tiny little piece, the writer(s) manage(s) to convey (what seems to me to be) a solid friendship between two grown-up women who don't make each other nervous or insecure. It didn't survive into the episode, of course, but it's easy to picture.

I am contuinually struck by how much there is in this TV SHOW (!) to talk about. Further, I'm grateful that you folks are out there to talk about it with.

Firefly is definately like 'whoa'

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Monday, November 28, 2005 2:38 PM

Not to mention...I copy&pasted that quote.

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Monday, November 28, 2005 8:30 PM

What quote? I'm lost. "Like whoa" is a quote? Help.

Further help, if you would be so kind, as this is the first chat thread thingy I have spent any time at all on...what is a troll? What is lurking?

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Tuesday, November 29, 2005 2:22 AM

Like Whoa.

American teenager speak. The sentence should be "Firefly is rather good."

You have to imagine you're walking along casually and you see something extraordinary, and it makes you stop and say Whoa! out of sheer surprise.

"Like" and "man" can be, like, dropped into any sentence and it will transform it into something Keanu Reeves night say.

Like, something is rotten in the state of Denmark,
man.

Also they do a lot of quality Whoas in Firefly. (Good Bible, Good Myth, and Zoe of all people, with Book's hair).

I do believe the phrase Whoa has been made cool again by Firefly. It started out well with the Fonz, was quite good with Bill and Ted, but became like so overused for a while.

However, well delivered, it is good.

Lurking is hanging around threads, but not joining in. An innoffensive pastime.

Trolls.

The Internet gives people with nothing to say an unparalelled opportunity to prove it conclusively. I can't remember who coined that phrase, but I wish it had been me.

Trolls are idiots who jump into threads and act badly. Know them by their bad spelling, and lack of manners. Ignore them and they go away.

You'll soon pick up the jargon, at which point you'll realise that you're spending too much time in front of a computer...

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Tuesday, November 29, 2005 5:07 AM

BROWNCOAT1

May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.

Welcome to the site & the fandom!

__________________________________________

"May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one."

Richmond, VA & surrounding area Firefly Fans:

http://tv.groups.yahoo.com/group/richmondbrowncoats/

http://www.richmondbrowncoats.org

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Tuesday, November 29, 2005 12:25 PM

I thank you very kindly! I now posess the vernacular to say that I have been lurking on this site since late summer, when I first encountered Firefly. Which, by the way, ought to come with the disclaimer, "Well-developed, tightly written, very intelligent content, of which there is not near enough. May cause loss of productivity and of interest in other arenas of life."

I still don't understand what the original poster meant by "I copy(sic)& pasted that quote," but I don't think it's imperative that I do, so...onwego.

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Tuesday, November 29, 2005 12:37 PM

SPACEHOPPER

The 'bible' quote at the end of all of JLSM's posts is what she (I seem remember the name Jen, so I'm going with she) was talking about.

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Tuesday, November 29, 2005 5:53 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Gixxer:
Like Whoa.

American teenager speak. The sentence should be "Firefly is rather good."

You have to imagine you're walking along casually and you see something extraordinary, and it makes you stop and say Whoa! out of sheer surprise.

"Like" and "man" can be, like, dropped into any sentence and it will transform it into something Keanu Reeves night say.

Like, something is rotten in the state of Denmark,
man.

I almost got mad at this, but then realized that I listen to too much music.

'Like whoa' is from a song. A very good song. o.o

And yes, I did mean my sig-quote when I said that.

And thanks for all the welcomings and love! I am so emotional now, I think I may cry.

Well, ok, not really.

..jen..
^I'll start doing that so you rememebr it. ^.^

**edit**
Um...this going to sound really dumb...but...how do you log-off? I think that's why you said that about loitering and the like, but I can't do it. I said to remember my password, and now it hasn't logged me out ever, has it? O.o Ugh...

Saffron: I do know my bible, sir. On the night of their betrothal the wife shall open to the man as the furrow to the plow. He shall work in her again and again, til she bring him to his full. And rest him then upon the sweat of her breast.
Mal: Whoa. Good bible.

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Wednesday, November 30, 2005 3:25 PM

Ah, thank you! Now I understand! You called it a quote, (and while I have heard plenty of people say "That was like, whoa," I'd hardly consider it a quoteworthy or notable statement) which indeed it is, because you were quoting a song you know that I don't. I know that was a weeeency little thing but I'm glad to have it cleared up. Whose song, please?

Back to Firefly, my copy of Finding Serenity finally arrived and I'm enjoying it more than I expected to.

Shine on.

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Wednesday, November 30, 2005 9:43 PM

SHINY

Quote:
Originally posted by JustLikeSundayMorning:

And now I'm starting to take apart the internet with my trusty Google to find Firefly sites. Not to mention Mandarin words, because I want to know what the hell they are saying. (and yes, I found the many threads on that here already )

Welcome! Have you visited Ying's Firefly Chinese Pinyinary yet?

---

Serenity is coming. 9/30/05.

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Wednesday, November 30, 2005 11:15 PM

What I had.

Stick. End. Wrong. The. The. Of.

(Rearrange into a well-known phrase or saying.)

Tarnation.

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Saturday, December 3, 2005 12:02 PM