Third Floor: Hidey Place of Nice-ish Boys and Girls by BlackEyedGirl

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I can't remember exactly where I saw it, but someone is marketing beanbags shaped like goslings for FF fans who are into juggling.

Well, that's hardly the same. If I'm gonna juggle geese, I'm gonna go full 9 and get some real geese.

But since I can't juggle anything, the bean bags might not be a bad idea.
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Tuesday, November 29, 2005 7:21 PM

Oi! This thread, it grows so!!!

Zeek: #1 Also, regarding bondage/S&M and other sexual practices. The primary tenent of this 'scene' is Safe, Sane and Consentual. This does not mean that perfectly nice people don't want to flog someone occasionally. Honestly. I know lots of really nice scenesters, the kind of people who rescue kittens and feed the homeless who behind closed doors are the biggest freaks you will ever see. They are good, nice people and they are kinky as hell. So there is no implied meanness or evil in this 'verse (I have decided to stop calling it a 'scene' and will instead now refer to it as a ''verse').

#2: Terrific suggestions. Most of them involve money, which I gotta say, is at a minimum. Up here when they did a survey as to where the 'hot' place to meet singles was #1 was CHURCH, there was no #2. I'm not much on believing, so there goes that option. Poetry readings? You act like I live in civilization, we don't even have a coffee house (there was one it close 3 months after opening), which if we had one I would spend time in. Everyone I work with, on weekends, abandons town except the people who are like 50 and married. During the week no one does anything. I live in the land birthcontrol forgot, and where if you aren't on husband #2 with 4 kids by 30 you are wierd. Seriously, it's creepy. It's no St. Louis. There are 2 of us at work under 30, mind you there are 12 of us total. Also, I'm not exactly normal for an area like this. I'm from the city, I'm wierd, I am strange, and I don't own a double decker stroller. The only person I really enjoyed I replaced at work, and she moved to an actual city. The only other person I get along with at work goes home to Illinois or is hangin' with her husband when not at work. Cos we make jack shit, they don't go out cos he's unemployed. And as much as I like marrieds...

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Make sure you're going to attract nice significant others. I doubt many nice people are really out looking for someone who is not nice themselves.

Those are your exact words. By saying this you basically said that people who attract assholes must be assholes themselves cos nice should attract nice. Thus I say do people who attract abusers deserve it? I said nothing of whether or not this would turn nice people away. BTW: NO ONE Is into guys who throw you down flights of stairs. NO ONE.

I'm not meaning to jump down your throat, but you might want to read up on some of the plights going on around here 'fore you come up with theories.

LFO: I am scared of these ad people. Lets send them to an island.

Jadehand: I have a feeling we are going to need a lot more than restraints and Ativan. Floggers are fun, I want one embroidered with "Your Ass Here" on it. Cos I think that's really funny.

Orpheus: Duck-minded birds? ROFL!! Have you considered juggling toy representations of duck-minded birds? Perhaps some goose beanie babies? Then you are relieved of all guilt. Alternately already dead goslings, but that would be sooo sad. We'd have to have a funeral service for them, and it would make us all cry. So yeah, Beanie babies!

ScorpionRegent: I've rethunk the movie thing. I think The Crow, 12 monkeys, and definately a Clockwork orange would be far more suitable. Batman Begins was awesome, so yes we can add it to the list. I think Catwoman would be a bad idea, as probably would Se7en. Someone needs to get us a DVD player and a big ass TV though cos the amount of viewers has dramatically increased. ::grabs pompons, sulks off to SR's room::

Crunchies: I have no clue what they are but they sounded good on the last thread. Wher eis the girl with the crunchies???

Cats: Don't get me wrong, I love my cats, just not when they keep me up all night cos they want to hit the door or some crap like that (my cat is like obsessive compulsive, he will whack the door for 20 minutes with his paws for entertainment, I should blame myself cos I hand reared him, but instead I think he might need kitty-prozac cos he's just wierd, like mother like child).

Seryn: I LOVE CARNIVALE!! OMG!! I wish the DVDs weren't so gorram expensive. The thing about the fuzzies on Serenity cracked me up. I mean do you put the cat poop in the airlock to get rid of it, cos I don't think scoopable & flushable matters in space. I also like the idea of the alliance friend and all the other stuff you mentioned. But that cat thing was priceless.

Also has anyone noticed that outside of Inara's sponge bath no one ever seems to bathe? I bet the crew of Serenity is pretty damn rank. Inara has to bathe cos otherwise her clients would be all 'eww', but imagine Jayne stink after working out with Book.

Away!!

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Tuesday, November 29, 2005 7:25 PM

Yeah, also I'd like to pimp: http://www.operationbrowncoat.com/

Cos I think our captain deserves to have his coat!!! I donated my paypal balance. Cos if anything charities is nice as are birthday presents.

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Tuesday, November 29, 2005 7:27 PM

I'm not so sure about the skyscraper motif, but if that is what we have then I'll take some of that raw industrial space hidden away behind a door marked: authorized personel only. A room with lots of pipes and ducts on the ceiling and in the corners so I can hook up a hammock. A bookcase for my reading material, DVD's, CD's with a stereo on top. A rack of lockers for my stuff. A tool box and a work bench so I can tinker. I'll have a coffee table made out of a sheet of 2 inch thick Lexan bullet proof glass on cinderblocks encircled by a couple futon couches and a comfy chair that was once a bucket seat to a sports car until I welded up a supporting stand for it. For lighting I'll hang a couple of chinese lanterns from the pipes and maybe some Xmas lights fed through some tranlucent PVC pipes. I'll have a candle lamp on the coffee table and track lights over the workbench.
I'll work on the kitchen and bathrooms tomorrow, maybe...

Scorpion Regent

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Tuesday, November 29, 2005 7:36 PM

Blackeyedgirl: You are right, so far I haven't seen Callmeserenity, Mai, Mal4forprez, Bruiser'smom, or QueenoftheNorth.

OH my god! we're loosing women! Somebody do something!

Scorpion Regent

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Tuesday, November 29, 2005 7:42 PM

We are hemoraging females! Someone get some gauze stat!! Where's that cool caulk crap Simon fixed up Zoe with?? Oh god, it's horrible. Ladies return to us!! Please!!

Although we did get some new girls. So it's not a total loss.

Also ScorpionRegent: Your room sounds really cool. You are so hired as my decorator. shit, I still need a room (cos I'm sure I will seem whorish if I just room-hop or alternately I will seem bum-like if I just constantly sleep on people's couches).

Boing!

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Tuesday, November 29, 2005 7:48 PM

Juggling geese just went on my list of things to do before I die. Right behind learning to juggle.

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OH my god! we're loosing women! Somebody do something!

What?! We're losing our womenfolk?

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Tuesday, November 29, 2005 8:01 PM

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Originally posted by BlackEyedGirl:
We are hemoraging females! Someone get some gauze stat!! Where's that cool caulk crap Simon fixed up Zoe with?? Oh god, it's horrible. Ladies return to us!! Please!!

Although we did get some new girls. So it's not a total loss.

Also ScorpionRegent: Your room sounds really cool. You are so hired as my decorator. shit, I still need a room (cos I'm sure I will seem whorish if I just room-hop or alternately I will seem bum-like if I just constantly sleep on people's couches).

Boing!

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Inara: "Do aliens live among us?"
Kaylee: "Yes. One of them's a doctor."

You can crash on one of the futons till my snoring drives you away or you find better digs, but you'll have to smoke outside, I'm allergic.

I remember posting a strong sililioqy about what the SCA means to me this morning on the previous floor. Maybe all the aforementioned ladies are off surfing all the SCA websights out there in cyberspace. I swear you can surf SCA a month straight and only scratch the surface. The list of SCA Yahoo groups is in the thousands.

By my estimation I think we'll need the next floor by Friday night. We're all ready a third of the way there. That's right we're not just going fast, we're accelerating!

Scorpion Regent

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Tuesday, November 29, 2005 8:05 PM

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Originally posted by Orpheus:
Juggling geese just went on my list of things to do before I die. Right behind learning to juggle.

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OH my god! we're loosing women! Somebody do something!

What?! We're losing our womenfolk? How do we fix that?

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"Were there monkeys? Some terrifying space monkeys maybe got loose?"

I'll PM CallmeSerenity. Who wants to PM Mal4prez, Mai and the rest?

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Tuesday, November 29, 2005 8:05 PM

LIGHTMEDARK

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BTW: NO ONE Is into guys who throw you down flights of stairs. NO ONE.

Probably right, but I remember my first girlfriend telling me she'd rather I just beat her instead of get upset with her =/ Her first bf who she was with off and on so many times beat her. She just got used to it, I guess.

Now I must certainly point out that I am in no way saying it's right...it's not, not at all.

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Maybe all the aforementioned ladies are off surfing all the SCA websights out there in cyberspace.

Yeah, maybe ;D. I got my cousin interested in it...unfortunately we both work 4pm to midnight every day but monday and tuesday which fairly well screws us as far as the local shire's schedule goes ;(

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Tuesday, November 29, 2005 8:09 PM

Um, point of interest:

The thread title...'nice-ish'?

What, is our nice-itude depreciating? The quicker we build these floors, the less nice we get? Is that gonna be the trend? Because I don't think so.

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Tuesday, November 29, 2005 8:28 PM

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Originally posted by BlackEyedGirl:
BTW: NO ONE Is into guys who throw you down flights of stairs. NO ONE.

Probably right, but I remember my first girlfriend telling me she'd rather I just beat her instead of get upset with her =/ Her first bf who she was with off and on so many times beat her. She just got used to it, I guess.

Now I must certainly point out that I am in no way saying it's right...it's not, not at all.

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Originally posted by ScorpionRegent:
Maybe all the aforementioned ladies are off surfing all the SCA websights out there in cyberspace.

Yeah, maybe ;D. I got my cousin interested in it...unfortunately we both work 4pm to midnight every day but monday and tuesday which fairly well screws us as far as the local shire's schedule goes ;(

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I promised myself I would never cause violence to a woman. There may come a day where I might have to respond to violence brought upon me by a woman ie. road rage, being backed into a corner with no possible escape, etc. Beyond such possibilities I will always walk away. Walking away will not get me sent to jail. Walking away will depressurise the situation and buys both parties time to think. I think I would rather dig out my left eye before I threw a woman down a flight of stairs.

No time to play in the SCA, bummer! I sense you be a asset to any house that would have you LMD. Well don't give up hope there may come a time when you have a different job, until that day we will have to wait for you. Until that day...

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Tuesday, November 29, 2005 8:47 PM

JADEHAND

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Originally posted by BlackEyedGirl:
Oi! This thread, it grows so!!!

Jadehand: I have a feeling we are going to need a lot more than restraints and Ativan. Floggers are fun, I want one embroidered with "Your Ass Here" on it. Cos I think that's really funny.

I have a flogger, it's Black and blue...ohhh irony!

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ScorpionRegent: I've rethunk the movie thing. I think The Crow, 12 monkeys, and definately a Clockwork orange would be far more suitable. Batman Begins was awesome, so yes we can add it to the list. I think Catwoman would be a bad idea, as probably would Se7en. Someone needs to get us a DVD player and a big ass TV though cos the amount of viewers has dramatically increased. ::grabs pompons, sulks off to SR's room::

Glad you like my movie ideas, though Se7en is great, Spacey's the man. We'll just Set Serenity on a constant loop after the 20th

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Crunchies: I have no clue what they are but they sounded good on the last thread. Wher eis the girl with the crunchies???

My friend Spike (yes that's his real name) calls the kitty food crunchies, so I just assumed it was some kind of food thing like Doritos or some such.

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Inara: "Do aliens live among us?"
Kaylee: "Yes. One of them's a doctor."

Avoid the 12 1/2 floor.
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Tuesday, November 29, 2005 9:45 PM

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).

::grabs pompons, sulks off to SR's room::

Also has anyone noticed that outside of Inara's sponge bath no one ever seems to bathe? I bet the crew of Serenity is pretty damn rank. Inara has to bathe cos otherwise her clients would be all 'eww', but imagine Jayne stink after working out with Book.

Away!!

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Inara: "Do aliens live among us?"
Kaylee: "Yes. One of them's a doctor."

I think you might be missing the point of why you were being sent to my room and not your's.

Washing must occur on the Serenity, though probably sparingly. Watching Zoe bathe was clear Wash's favorite spectator sport.

I'm guessing that there's no one else on the thread that's in the Pacific time zone besides me. I'm always coming in late and last to leave.

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Tuesday, November 29, 2005 10:55 PM

SERYN

they did mention on one commentary that there was actually a Jayne sponge-bathing scene, but it got cut - just after he started shaving his back

so, a couple more couches in Loafer's Nook, a fridge for beer and a widescreen t.v. - hell no lets go hi tch and get in a projector -that sound like fun?

theres room for more yet

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Wednesday, November 30, 2005 3:46 AM

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so, a couple more couches in Loafer's Nook, a fridge for beer and a widescreen t.v. - hell no lets go hi tch and get in a projector -that sound like fun?

Sounds like my kind of room. Add in a fireplace and you've got the best living room ever.

"Were there monkeys? Some terrifying space monkeys maybe got loose?"

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Wednesday, November 30, 2005 4:09 AM

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Originally posted by Orpheus:
Juggling geese just went on my list of things to do before I die. Right behind learning to juggle.

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"Were there monkeys? Some terrifying space monkeys maybe got loose?"

Here's where to get goslings for juggling:
http://www.wash-o-saurus.com/

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Wednesday, November 30, 2005 4:31 AM

Nobody panic - I'm back! And aw shucks, you missed me.

Ya know, I have all these icky deadlines today, (the shit hath hitteth the fan) but I just spent half an hour exploring the new third floor. Let me stake a claim on a cubicle with a window, I'll be back to move in my stuff later!

Except you'll probably all be up on 69 by then, right?

m4p

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Wednesday, November 30, 2005 4:36 AM

CALLMESERENITY

My goodness!

Go away for one day and they send out search parties!

Heaven forbid I go away for a weekend.

Here's my attempt at a catch-up.

1)Crunchies tm are delightful british chocolates with a golden honeycombed center.

2) I think I'll probably be spending most of my time back on the first floor. I really liked it down there. Plus, we've got a lab down there where we're working on developing portal technology. This skyscraper gets a little weirder with every floor. Not that that's a BAD thing, but I'm a traditionalist. Not into S&M and Jihads and carnivale and the things you've been discussing lately.

3) A guy hit me once. ONCE. What happened? I hit him right back and that was the end of that relationship. (I'm not unscrappy.)
It's easy to put yourself into a situation where unpleasantness can arise. Sometimes you do it without seeming to realize it (though really, it's just that you're ignoring all your internal warning signs in favour of what you think you want. Never a good idea.) The harder part is to get yourself out of these nasty situations. So, BEG-you are no longer with the man who likes to throw girls down stairs when he gets angry and that is a GREAT THING. And hopefully you've learned what to look out for next time.

Use your WORDS people!

4)My cat and I have a lovely relationship, even though my grandparents think I don't pay enough attention to him.
I make sure he has food and water and clean out his litterbox. When he wants to play, he swats at my ankles. When he wants me to pet him, he climbs in my lap and when I'm not feeling well, he sits on my feet to keep them warm as I nap. Other than that, we pretty much leave each other alone. It's worked well for us for 6 years.

5) I can juggle. It's easy. Anyone can learn. And I could teach you if you have 3 beanbags. Or 3 tennis balls.

6) BEG: I understand your dilema. I live in the middle of nowhere, also. There are no poetry readings or funky museums to hang out at to meet guys. I'm not into the bar scene. I work at a church, but I'm the only single person in my age bracket in the entire congregation. I live in a snowbird town, so most of the population is retired and since I'm in the south, everyone my age is already married with multiple children. Plus, I'm my grandparents' caretaker, so it's not like I have the time to drive an hour to columbia to go partying every weekend.
I've tried the singles church functions in my area and was pretty much ignored by the pre-established cliques. So where does that leave me? Strange men who stare at my mouth at Target!

7)I love wonderfalls, too.

8) Of course they have showers on Serenity! (can't bear the thought of an unwashed Simon.) I think they're like the showers the astronauts have. And they're back where the passenger dorms are, methinks.

Okay, that's it. *whew*

Serenity, First Officer of Destiny

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Wednesday, November 30, 2005 4:48 AM

OMG! I want those goslings!! I want them in tiny Jayne hats!! They are the cutest things I have ever seen in my whole damn life!!!!

BTW: Welcome back ladies!!!

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Wednesday, November 30, 2005 5:15 AM

They definitely look better in Jayne hats. I love how it's packaged as a DIY juggling kit.

I know what I'm asking for for Christmas...
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Wednesday, November 30, 2005 5:19 AM

Oh ya, I had stuff to say (deadlines be damned):

Scorpion - I'm not so into D&D, but I did have LOTR pretty much memorized by sometime in junior high. I'm more drawn to the pretty dress/drink too much/dance around a bonfire aspect of SCA. Kinda reminds me of a hippy gathering I went to once. All except the pretty dress part.

I live in rural New England, I'm sure there will be SCA events aplenty to scope out when the warm weather returns (it'll be oh so long...)

BEG - I really feel for you! I grew up in the Midwest, so officially my life didn't start until I moved to Boston when I was 23. My only advice: RESIST THE NORMALCY!! Freaks are more fun!!**offers you gingerbread cookie with facial piercings and green hair**

So, if I may revisit first floor conversation, I just read someone's blog about how he falls for girls with boyfriends. Oddly, I have found that I never get asked out so much as when I'm already dating. Is there an irresistable I'm-attached-and-unavailable pheromone? When I'm single all these interested guys disappear!!

m4p

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Wednesday, November 30, 2005 5:39 AM

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Is there an irresistable I'm-attached-and-unavailable pheromone?

At the moment, I'm attracted to one who happens to be very single. I will, however, keep an eye on this phenomenon if this one doesn't pan out (and it likely won't).
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Wednesday, November 30, 2005 5:43 AM

CallMeSerenity: Crunchies sound awfully tasty. Also don't worry, I think we hit a temporary freak zone. I doubt we will stay here too long. Estimated waiting tiem to floor 4 is Friday. Since the king of all asshole boyfriends (BTW: he is in prison on unreltaed charges now) I don't put up with any shit. Then again since him, I've only dated 1 guy for like 3 months and saw 2 others. Lets just say he threw me for a loop, cos he was really nice and wonderful at the beginning. But jealousy and his lies caught up to him and he turned into a grade-A asshole. Before I knew it I was trapped. (LMD: this is why I think jealousy is so dangerous. he once hit me cos a guy at the mall looked at me, a lot of his abuse was stemmed from jealousy and fear of losing me which is very dangerous). I woke up and smelled the coffee and broke it off with him, thanks to an awesome support structure by my friends (who he tried to cut me off from) and thanks to having college to go to (he wanted me to drop out for him). Just goes to show: someone can seem really nice, but sometimes it's just window dressing for the monster inside. Funny thing is, anytime a guy tried to hit me before this relationship I would hit him, or kick him in the balls and leave him. I don't know what was different that time around. Also I love my kitties, they are terrific, but sometimes I want to strangle them (i think this is a sentiment felt by most pet owners and lots of parents, sometimes you just want 5 minutes peace and you just can't get it!). I would never ever hurt them. The jihads: just me bein' silly. Although I doubt 'holy war' is an idea many find to be silly.

Strange men who stared at my mouth in Target would be a welcome relief. On Monday I took the day off of work cos I have boat loads of leave time to use. I went to the grocery store where there was the totally adorable, maybe 19 year old cashier boy and I felt like a dirty old woman for thinking he was cute. He was tall with curly black hair and a swimmers body. I just wanted to tweak his hair. I then quietly backed away and left the grovery store. Wonderfalls rules! Why can't we find heartbroken bartenders like Eric??? WHY???

Also CMS: thanks for the showers on Serenity clarification. I was getting worried.

Mal4Prez: OMG I hear you on that! Whenever I am with someone either officially dating or just seeing, all of a sudden the guys come out of the woodwork! Is it because it's safer to flirt with a girl you already know is taken? I mean if she's already taken you are already expecting rejection so it's not such a big deal right? When I was with my last beau it seemed like every weekend there were guys talking to me and asking me out and stuff, now that I'm completely single again, nada. I don't get it!!

Also the midwest itself isn't a bad place. Milwaukee, Madison, Chicago, Indianapolis, Minneapolis: all are great very hip very urban places, where I would have more inspiration and reason to get out of my apartment. I just happen to live in bumblefuck. I'm letting my freak flag fly as much as I can up here (when I first moved up here I wanted to get all sorts of piercings and tattoos and just be queen deviant cos this area breeds this sort of hostility), but I work a gov't job that involves me going to court so I can't be too wierd (I envy that girl on NCIS)

Goslings for all!!! They are just too damn cute in their little jayne hats, I so want them. Too bad I already handed out my Christmas list!

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Wednesday, November 30, 2005 5:59 AM

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Originally posted by BlackEyedGirl:

Also the midwest itself isn't a bad place. Milwaukee, Madison, Chicago, Indianapolis, Minneapolis: all are great very hip very urban places, where I would have more inspiration and reason to get out of my apartment. I just happen to live in bumblefuck.

Those places good - but I lived in Omaha!

Sure, there were pockets of (what I call) sanity, but they were wicked hard to find!

I left Boston for the boonies last year, and I was feeling a lot like you are. It's taken a year and a half to hunt out some folk like me to hang out with, but I'm finding them. It's all about the activities.

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Wednesday, November 30, 2005 6:07 AM

ZEEK

Blackeyedgirl, I think your logic is fatally flawed. Just be cause nice people are most likely looking for other nice people doesn't mean anything about what abusive people are looking for. Abusive people could be looking for nice people to take advantage of. They could have a totally different reasoning in who they look for. I think you jumped a little far in your reasoning on that one.

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Wednesday, November 30, 2005 6:13 AM

CMS: Omaha! OMG I am so sorry! I can see where Boston would be like heaven!! Yeah that's the scary part of the midwest. Sort of like South Dakota.

Zeek: Okay, whatever you say.

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Wednesday, November 30, 2005 6:25 AM

KELLYOFLUTHIEN

I would just like to add that in addition to physical abuse like hitting etc., emotional abuse can be just as damaging. I actually had an exboyfriend who cheated on me and somehow made me feel like it was my fault that he wasn't faithful--that there was something inherently wrong with me and that I deserved to be cheated on. It took me a long time to get out of the depression from that relationship, but thankfully I've been free of him for almost 4 years now.

My sister currently is in a situation where she and her boyfriend were going to have a baby and it was born prematurely and died. After the baby's death, her boyfriend lost it and now calls my sister telling her she's a whore because she slept with other guys before him. Then he'll turn around, apologize and take her out to dinner. It's a horrible situation and my whole family wants her to be rid of him, but only she can do that for herself.

Anyway, my point is that emotional abuse can be a horrible situation to deal with, and it is not as commonly prosecuted as physical abuse, at least within the United States. I urge anyone whose significant other is demeaning them or making them feel worthless to free themselves--you don't deserve to be talked to that way.

Wow, sorry--got a bit serious there. So, juggling geese, eh?

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Wednesday, November 30, 2005 6:40 AM

Important people don't do field work.

Omaha!!! Nooooooooo (deep breath) oooooooo (checks watch) ooooooo!!!
The first four years I was in the Air Force, they stuck me at Offutt AFB, NE. They were trying to stick me there for another three, so I opted out, since I was going through a divorce at the same time. So, Omaha directly led to much bitterness and distrust of the opposite sex for quite some time. Okay, it was the psycho hose beast I was married to that was sleeping around, and not the city, but, you know...I just can't stay mad at one of them...(Omaha, I'm looking in your direction. May I skydive into your cornfields again?((Like there was anywhere else to land))).

So after Omaha, Kentucky looked like heaven. It wasn't. And after a bad marriage, the next girl looked like heaven. She wasn't. There's something to be learned here.

Its that Nebraska is covered in corn. And embittered men. Okay, okay...it was just me.

And, since I don't like leaving people in suspense...

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Wednesday, November 30, 2005 6:40 AM

Right there with you Kelly. Sometimes I think emotional/psychological abuse is worse than physical. Broken bones heal, but a broken spirit is so much harder to fix. For me the physical stuff didn't bother me, what got me was being demeaned and being told I was useless and worthless without him. How I was nobody and no one would ever care about me the way he did. he put so many ideas in my head and that was the worst part. So often they tear you down 'til you have no self-esteem or confidence, and that's exactly where they want you. Cos then they can blame anything on you. Hell, he blamed me for all the lies he told me. His rationale was 'well if I hadn't of told you those things you wouldn't of gone out with me, cos you are such a superior bitch.' Which somehow to me seemed justified at some point. Everytime I tried to leave he would do somethign that would make it seem like things were going to go back to the way they were. I tried to help him be a better person and tried to get him into therapy and stuff but nothing helped, and eventually I had to leave. It's amazing the delusion we succumb to.

Your sister will hopefully learn that he is just a shit. She's probably still thinking that things will go back to the way they were, and that he's just still upset about the baby and stuff. He might also be feeding the guilt she already feels about the baby and so she takes it cos she thinks she deserves it. She probably thinks she can help him/fix him and well, as we all learn eventually that is an impossibility. You can't change people unless that's what they really want. She'll be okay, but if it seems like its getting physical or worse, grab her, and take her to a woman's shelter for abused women, and ask her if she wants to end up there. I had to do this to a friend who dated Asshole #1 after we broke up. I grabbed her and said is this the life you want cos this is where you will end up (cos he did the exact same shit to her after I warned her and she said that he said that I was a lying whore), she didn't and eventually left him. When we were there she started crying and telling me how scared of him she was, and I knew it and understood it, but I couldn't help her anymore than I already was. When it's time to go the only person who can really do it is yourself.

So, how 'bout them goslings?

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Wednesday, November 30, 2005 6:49 AM

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Right there with you Kelly. Sometimes I think emotional/psychological abuse is worse than physical. Broken bones heal, but a broken spirit is so much harder to fix. For me the physical stuff didn't bother me, what got me was being demeaned and being told I was useless and worthless without him. How I was nobody and no one would ever care about me the way he did. he put so many ideas in my head and that was the worst part. So often they tear you down 'til you have no self-esteem or confidence, and that's exactly where they want you. Cos then they can blame anything on you. Hell, he blamed me for all the lies he told me. His rationale was 'well if I hadn't of told you those things you wouldn't of gone out with me, cos you are such a superior bitch.' Which somehow to me seemed justified at some point. Everytime I tried to leave he would do somethign that would make it seem like things were going to go back to the way they were. I tried to help him be a better person and tried to get him into therapy and stuff but nothing helped, and eventually I had to leave. It's amazing the delusion we succumb to.

Your sister will hopefully learn that he is just a shit. She's probably still thinking that things will go back to the way they were, and that he's just still upset about the baby and stuff. He might also be feeding the guilt she already feels about the baby and so she takes it cos she thinks she deserves it. She probably thinks she can help him/fix him and well, as we all learn eventually that is an impossibility. You can't change people unless that's what they really want. She'll be okay, but if it seems like its getting physical or worse, grab her, and take her to a woman's shelter for abused women, and ask her if she wants to end up there. I had to do this to a friend who dated Asshole #1 after we broke up. I grabbed her and said is this the life you want cos this is where you will end up (cos he did the exact same shit to her after I warned her and she said that he said that I was a lying whore), she didn't and eventually left him. When we were there she started crying and telling me how scared of him she was, and I knew it and understood it, but I couldn't help her anymore than I already was. When it's time to go the only person who can really do it is yourself.

So, how 'bout them goslings?

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They were living together in an apartment and building a house together when the baby died. He was fine before the death, but afterwards went off the deep end. Things like that bring out either the best or worst in people, and unfortunately it brought out the worst in him.

But my sister moved out and is living with my parents now. She knows he's not treating her right now, which is the first step into leaving him. I'm there in spirit (I live 1200 miles away) to support her and tell her I don't like the way he's treating her, but I also have to keep my space with her because she's a very private person. But eventually she will be rid of him.

Anyway, I'm sure there's some guys here who also have stories of emotional abuse and manipulation from their girlfriends. It's sad that so many of us have had to go through something like that in our lives.

I try to look at it from this point of view: when I do finally find someone who treats me right and loves me, I will appreciate him that much more because of all the shit I've had to go through to find him.

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Wednesday, November 30, 2005 6:56 AM

Important people don't do field work.

Oh MAN!!! That's some good tomato soup!!!

Oh, right, I didn't come here to talk about that...But, it is some damn good soup.

Consider me(I suppose) strange in being sheltered from the concept of battered women (and for that, I thank my family..Way to not beat up your wives, guys!) until I was 23 years old. And then, I suppose I found out about it because it was happening right out in the open where I was working. Women were MISSING WORK because their boyfriends were beating the shit out of them. Our bosses knew...KNEW what was going on, and did nothing about it. I was floored. How can you know and not do anything. I talked to the women it was happening to, who, of course, became quite angry with me.
I'm not painting a picture of myself as saint. Far from it...In some cases it was stuff I was doing (Inviting everyone out, etc) that was leading to some of this stuff.

What I couldn't understand was the absolute feeling of Acceptance that was going on. I had just got out of a very structured world with the military, and while I know that kind of thing happens everywhere, military included, I just never saw any of it. It was a part of civilian life that I hated...Still do. How can everyone, including the victims, just accept something that is so obviously wrong?

Beats me.

Think I'll go watch Snorks or Sleeping Beauty, or something that'll make me feel better. You see, this is why I don't go too far into the serious side of things. Cause the serious side of things, while very real...Well, SUCKS!

Oh..go hang in suspense...

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Wednesday, November 30, 2005 7:12 AM

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Omaha!!! Nooooooooo (deep breath) oooooooo (checks watch) ooooooo!!!
The first four years I was in the Air Force, they stuck me at Offutt AFB, NE.

Bet I can do an Omaha NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO longer than you!!

I grew up in Bellevue, 3 blocks from Offutt AFB (on Offutt Blvd, believe it or not) and used to sneak on base to go to the cheap swimming pool. Oh ya, those were the days!

In the spirit of the suddenly outflowing honesty, I didn't have the best family ever, and that only adds to my disgust with the town ... I've never been physically abused, and haven't had any romantic relationships that even approached abusive. That's because I saw the crazy headgame world my parents lived in, and I am NEVER going there!

So maybe my problem is too much caution? Sigh! Just can't win.

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Its that Nebraska is covered in corn. And embittered men. Okay, okay...it was just me.

hee-hee! A friend had a poster of a really hot olympic looking skier doing a full crouch in a flat cornfield. "SKI NEBRASKA" How can one not be bitter after living there?

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Wednesday, November 30, 2005 7:21 AM

Important people don't do field work.

I saw that poster. I also saw a picture of some of the most barren winter wasteland, with an arrow pointing in the middle of it that said "Offutt AFB". Don't know why I still think that's funny. That base had/has the highest suicide rate in the Air Force.

And, you used to sneak onto that base...I was doing everything I could to get off of it. And failing, most of the time. I did manage to become a raging alcoholic. That's the military for you....Turning out a functioning Alcoholic every four years!!! With Pride!

I attended Bellevue University for...well, for one class. Seemed nice enough. Lot of Nepalese exchange students there...Correction...lots of Hot Nepalese exchange students there. Not that were digging my particular flavor of Pez.

Damn you NEPAL!!!

Yeah, yeah...suspense...

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Wednesday, November 30, 2005 7:28 AM

It's not so much that you accept it, it's that you are sort of brainwashed into thinking that you deserve this, that you did something to make it happen. So you blame yourself. For me at least I was so shocked when he would do something. I mean he'd slap me and I'd just sit there stunned, like I couldn't believe this was my life. Cos this was the life of some woman in a Lifetime movie, not my life. And I hid it, and he didn't leave marks, and I didn't tell people, I just went on my merry way until he started doing things that I knew meant he didn't even like me, but was just using me. For instance (this is lame)- I am allergic to gold, like very very allergic, fingers sweel up, I get rashes, the works. So he asked me to marry him, to which I was like, um I dunno. Then he buys me a gold ring, after I specifically told him to get me silver or platinum. instead he bought me a yellow gold ring. I snapped. I asked him why and he said, well I liked it, I think you should wear gold. This was the story of our entire relationship. The man bought me a dog for Christmas after we had only been dating 3 months. I like little yippie dogs like pomeranians and chihuahas and pugs and stuff. He bought me a 60 lb Shar-pei that wasn't even 6 months old and thus would get gigantic. I had no where to keep such an animal, so I asked him, um why? He was like, I always wanted a Shar-pei. We can keep him at my house. To which I told him a resounding no, and that he would call the breeder immediately and return the dog. He did, and I didn't get a replacement christmas present.

Here's the thing, I hadn't dated anyone in a couple of years, it was my first official grown up relationship and at first while he was sort of selfish he seemed like a good guy. I didn't realize he was lying about everything until later. I was so in love with the idea of bein in love (in some sick way) that I put up with it.

Do I feel like a class-A moron today about it? Oh hell yeah. But also it means that my bullshit detector is on high always, I can spot an asshole in a room within 30 seconds. It was the first and last time I will ever date a man who is prettier than I am (cos he was, and went tanning and had his hair done and stuff, he was very odd). Also it sets me up for knowing that when I meet the right guy I will sooo appreciate him.

Also remember 1 in 3 (I think this is the new statistic) women are the victims of sexual or relationship violence. Not just rape or something but abusive relationships. Which means there are a lot of us out there, not all are so willing to fess up to it. I'm not proud about it, but I think that if someone doesn't put a face on it who will?

BTW: I'm totally over it, I am back to my old self, and I don't lvie in fear of men. Only that man, cos he was an asshole. But now he's married, with a kid, but is in prison (thank god), so I don't have to worry about him anymore. I can't let it burden me, cos if I did, it would be suffocating. I learned from it, and I will never ever put myself or stay in a situation like that again. EVER.

Also abuse among military personelle is a lot higher than you think. it's a lot higher in the general populace that you think, cos it's the dirty little secret. In my old home town the cops would joke that DV (domestic violence) was the monster hiding behind half the doors in our idyllic suburban town. Cos over 60% of their calls were DV related and it was a wealthy, high end, low unemployment area, and people were beating the hell out of each other.

This includes women beating men. Which is a HUGE unspoken problem cos guys feel emasculated by it. Manipulative, mentally abusive women are scary. One guy I know left his long term girlfriend cos when she got drunk she would beat on him and throw plates at his head and stuff. One night she broke every dish in the house, the next morning she didn't remember any of it. He didn't know what to do, she would black out but do horrible things. Even when she wasn't drunk she would do things like wake him up at 4 am to fight, so he would get no sleep for work. That's screwed up. Some women suck too.

Thus the goal of these threads: avoid people who suck, find people who are nice and don't suck.

Getting off my soapbox, going to find a room to keep the goslings in...

Also I said Nice-ish cos nice is relative. Floor 4 will be a return to the Nice only.

Also sometimes soup is sooo good. I ate the Campbell's select microwavable soup bowl of Chicken Tortilla Soup, it was yummy. The chicken with dumplings is creamy and weird and kinda gross though, so don't eat that one.

Occasionally I delve into the land of the serious. Most of the time I deflect with humor. it's the only way to make life tolerable, cos face it, most of life isn't sunshine and puppies. So we make our own sunshine and puppies. and it's good n stuff.

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Wednesday, November 30, 2005 7:29 AM

Okay the thread is growing fast, maybe too fast. It may become necessary to create new floors every three days at this pace. I propose a alternative: If I were to create a parallel, non-sequential, thread it may relieve some of the pressure. I will only do this if I feel there is enough interest to support the thread and if there are no objections. I'm thinking, (yes I know it's shocking that I think) about naming this alternative thread :the Elevator. It goes with the building motif and it can connect the floors together. We can go up and explore lofty ambitions and high ideals. We can go down and dabble in seady side of life.
I know I'm asking for a franchise here, but I don't want to steal anyone away from any body else.

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Wednesday, November 30, 2005 7:32 AM

Imagine living in nepal, and being excited that you are going to the USA, and then ending up in Nebraska. I mean, hello suck! Although it probably seems really really cool to them, but they so got screwed in the foreign exchange student lottery!

Helps juggle goslings, tap dances accross the room like Columbia in RHPS, with top hat to juggle too.

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Wednesday, November 30, 2005 7:53 AM

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Mal4Prez: OMG I hear you on that! Whenever I am with someone either officially dating or just seeing, all of a sudden the guys come out of the woodwork! Is it because it's safer to flirt with a girl you already know is taken? I mean if she's already taken you are already expecting rejection so it's not such a big deal right? When I was with my last beau it seemed like every weekend there were guys talking to me and asking me out and stuff, now that I'm completely single again, nada. I don't get it!!

I've noticed this for sometime. Having been seriously involved, well rarely, more people seemed flirty then. I think it's about confidence. As happy as someone can be alone, I think there's a comfort that comes with having a partner, and that comfort shows outwardly, and is attractive.
On another note about controling A-holes: Someone who tries to keep you away from friends and family .....Bad sign...get away quick. I don't expect someone to like all my friends, I don't expect to like all of theirs. Not having to spend every second together, should leave time for each to see those friends. If thoughts of infidelity arise when someone is away for 1 hour, BAD relationship. Bail. No matter how much you want a relationship, that is not one. (I love ABBY!)

KOL: on emotional abuse. Ok to be serious here. We let ourselves go for a bit, but serious is good too. Emotional abuse can be more damaging than physical. I think in most cases, it takes longer to recover from the emotional. First sign of either.....Bail!

BEG: Got me thinking....Maybe there are different levels/degrees of lies. We've all heard about "little white lies". But at some level the lies are big and bad. I think Lies in a relationship are equal to emotional abuse. That may sound strange, but really the lie is saying, "You aren't worth the truth." or "This relationship is so unstable, that I'm afraid it won't survive the truth."
As was stated before: "use your words" describe your thoughts and feelings instead of just reacting to them. Reactions without context add instability.

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Occasionally I delve into the land of the serious. Most of the time I deflect with humor. it's the only way to make life tolerable, cos face it, most of life isn't sunshine and puppies. So we make our own sunshine and puppies. and it's good n stuff.

Humor is good. So every 3rd floor is for humour and a bit of dirt, other two floors serious?
Let's see that makes the next two naughty floors....6,9....yea, that'd be appropriate

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Wednesday, November 30, 2005 7:56 AM

Scorpion: I'm not sure I'm quite understanding the concept of the elevator. Maybe it's my forum newbiness, but I just can't quite wrap my head around that.

Also, while we're all being serious and stuff, might as well let loose my reason for being here or whatever. My love-life tales of woe. My only real relationship to speak of was a couple years ago. We were together for 3 or 4 months. From what I gathered (as we didn't discuss this stuff much at all), I was a rebound relationship. The both of us starting college was the only reason we ever split up (I stayed in NC, she went to Illinois). We haven't spoken in about a year, but not long ago I found out she's back with the douchebag she was with before we ever became an item. And I've met the guy. He's a douche.

Of course, I'm still in college. I know I've got a whole mess of women ahead of me (hopefully).

I don't know. I've never really been in an abusive relationship. I've never been the abuser (never would be). So I can't say that my advice is of any use to anybody.

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Wednesday, November 30, 2005 8:09 AM

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I also saw a picture of some of the most barren winter wasteland, with an arrow pointing in the middle of it that said "Offutt AFB". Don't know why I still think that's funny.

Because it's soooo true!

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And, you used to sneak onto that base...I was doing everything I could to get off of it. And failing, most of the time. I did manage to become a raging alcoholic. That's the military for you....Turning out a functioning Alcoholic every four years!!! With Pride!

I believe there was a HUGE AA population in Bellevue. go figure.

And finally, (yee-haw!) my thoughts on emotional abuse: the sad thing for me is that the abusers aren't even aware of it. My mom was not a bad person, but she had a wicked hard life and didn't know to get by except by manipulating for power in really insidious ways. She didn't know she was doing it so there was no way to reach her and tell her to cut it the hell out. I think that's why it's so hard to get out of these relationships, because there always is an innocent victim in there somewhere. Its hard not to try to get in there and help them. Like the man who lost the baby. My heart hurts for him, but he has no right to hurt Kelly's sister. It's such an awful situation.

It is kinda nice being serious a bit. Makes the goofy more fun. Add that to the list of things I've learned from Joss.

juggling, tap dancing, top hat, and throw in a hoola hoop ...

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PS ScorpionRegent: I'm new to this posting stuff. How would this parallel thread thing work?

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Wednesday, November 30, 2005 8:15 AM

JADEHAND

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Also, while we're all being serious and stuff, might as well let loose my reason for being here or whatever.
I don't know. I've never really been in an abusive relationship. I've never been the abuser (never would be). So I can't say that my advice is of any use to anybody.

Orpheus: Not sure I want to get all that serious, not yet. But to keep it short and brutal: I was in an abusive relationship (my only really serious one). She was a victim to everyone except me,(her father was the worst, EVERY kind of abuse (yes, you know what I mean) and she said, "It was just another form of punishment that I deserved.") and they pulled her away, convincing her that I was manipulative and controling. I was in college getting my degree in Psychology at the time, working in a psych hospital. (cue scene from Superman: The movie as Clark finds his father dead) "All this power, and I couldn't even save her." It has been years. too many years. And I've yet to forgive myself for being so weak. Haven't yet "earned" the right to be in another.
Crap, that didn't work, I got serious.

*runs and hides behind his Bag-o-tricks tm*

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Wednesday, November 30, 2005 8:26 AM

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Scorpion: I'm not sure I'm quite understanding the concept of the elevator. Maybe it's my forum newbiness, but I just can't quite wrap my head around that.

What I'm proposing is that the new thread does not begin with the end of the old thread. It will coexist simultaneously and therefore draw off some of the posting pressure that forces on new threads with ever increasing speeds ie. floors 1,2,3,4. When the elevator thread starts to get really busy I can create elevator number 2, but I am getting way ahead of myself. My idea has yet to be accepted.

Of course, I'm still in college. I know I've got a whole mess of women ahead of me (hopefully).

I'm sure you will. Dude! "mess of women" That is not a becoming term. Not your fault though what we need is a referance to women as a group. Now let see, how does this usually go; flock of sheep, pod of dolphins, murder of crows, herd of bison,..,Ah Ha!
A grace of women.
I will leave the reference to men for of the ladies, I feel it helps to have a outside observer.

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Wednesday, November 30, 2005 8:30 AM

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I will leave the reference to men for of the ladies

Grace of women...works for me.

Also, the elevator's starting to make some sense now.

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Wednesday, November 30, 2005 8:38 AM

CITIZEN

Wow, this thread grew abit...

Tried to catch up, but couldn't.

Anyway where was I?

Scorpion:
Thanks for the PM, kind words.
I got the lightbulb thing in email, and thought it would be appreciated here, so it was only the done thing to share.

Everyone else:
As for relationships, I've only really had one, successful it was too, lasted (get ready for this, it's impressive) all of two days.

Maybe that explains things.

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
Remember, the ice caps aren't melting, the water is being liberated.

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Wednesday, November 30, 2005 9:00 AM

Important people don't do field work.

And, for all of you who don't know me yet...I might as well get it out of the way now...

I have to pee...

There...that's better...

Suspense!

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Wednesday, November 30, 2005 9:02 AM

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What I'm proposing is that the new thread does not begin with the end of the old thread. It will coexist simultaneously and therefore draw off some of the posting pressure that forces on new threads with ever increasing speeds ie. floors 1,2,3,4. When the elevator thread starts to get really busy I can create elevator number 2, but I am getting way ahead of myself. My idea has yet to be accepted.

11 years in college and I have no idea what you're talking about. (insert much head scratching) Those who know decide, if it goes I will follow!

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A grace of women.

That's so nice. Really! But if I'm part of a 'grace of women', am I allowed to swear and spit?

I often refer to groups of men (esp. the wholesome type with khaki pants and denim button-down shirts, you know who I'm talking about) as SYBs = strapping young bucks.

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Wednesday, November 30, 2005 9:04 AM

CALLMESERENITY

I think we all agree that abuse is bad. All kinds.

But yeah, emotional abuse may be the hardest to overcome because the scars go so deep and no one ever sees them. And it's harder to spot than physical. And easier to cover up.

But no, on second thought, I think there is one thing worse than emotional abuse.

Now:

Juggling lesson #1.

Pick up one bean bag, tennis ball (if you cut a slit in it and put a few pennies in it weighs it down nicely) or small wing'ed creature.

While looking straight ahead, toss the bag (or bird) from one hand to the other. You aren't throwing, you're tossing it up in the air and allowing gravity to pull it back down into your other hand. And you are using a nice scooping movement with your arms, scoop down and up. As you practice, you'll notice that you're making little circles with your forearms. That is good.

Keep tossing the ball back and forth until you can do it repeatedly without dropping it. If you're having trouble getting the ball to go where it should, try practicing standing facing a wall.

Serenity, First Officer of Destiny

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Wednesday, November 30, 2005 9:06 AM

PSYCHICRIVER

Two days beats me, Sean!

I've never had a relationship!

Well...I've had a few girlfriends. But they were short lived. Never really had anything that could be classified as a relationship.

PsychicRiver

"Two by two, hands of blue."

"We'll take care of each other. I'll knit!"
"I swallowed a bug."

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Wednesday, November 30, 2005 9:08 AM