Firefly cancelled for hitting on the truth! by truthishere

There's a reason "Conspiracy Theorists" have a bad name. And this is why.

You've given us nothing but circumstantial... okay, I really can't say "proof". How about "crap"?

You realize, for instance, that you just called the entire state of Utah to be "controlled/blindly-obedient people", and that they all believe in "polygamy; an abomination & suppression of depressed women". Right, I think some folks in Utah might have something against that.

And I love this part: & Florida (Jeb Bush). Say... what about Jeb Bush? As if his name is self explanitory, because he's a Bush perhaps? Is that it?

So, start by addressing that, and work your way up if you're wishing to "free some minds".

Also:
Firefly is IMO better than Star Trek, Battlestar Galactica, etc. so it could not have been cancelled because of the money... The fact that it was made into a great movie by POPULAR demand, and is gaining popularity all over the world would lend itself to being a great money maker. The movie was made on rather a workable budget.
Also completely nonsequitor. You're ignoring that most of the popularity of Firefly came after the show was cancelled. You're also ignoring that the movie hasn't paid off itself yet, though it's edging closer to doing so.

"I do the job... and then I get paid. Go run your little world."
-Malcolm Reynolds

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Sunday, December 18, 2005 1:00 PM

STORYMARK

Looks like a thread for the tin-foil hat file.

"Well, my days of not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle."

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Sunday, December 18, 2005 1:34 PM

WHOISRIVER

Quote:
Originally posted by truthishere:
Firefly is IMO better than Star Trek, Battlestar Galactica, etc. so it could not have been cancelled because of the money... The fact that it was made into a great movie by POPULAR demand, and is gaining popularity all over the world would lend itself to being a great money maker. The movie was made on rather a workable budget.

The movie has made 50% of it's production budget on box office release (after you remove the theatre's take).

Firefly, the TV series, lost millions for Fox Broadcastin Corporation.

Because you think Firefly was better than Star Trek, does not mean it shouldn't be cancelled.

Look, I like Firefly as much as the next person, and hell I worked on Serenity -- but you are smoking some serious crack, and you're giving liberals a bad name here.

Firefly was cancelled because it didn't get the ratings. Fox is partly to blame for that. But, whatever way you spin it - if it had the same kind of ratings as Friends, it would have stayed on the air. Money speaks.

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Sunday, December 18, 2005 9:41 PM

TRUTHISHERE,
You are not alone. I proposed a similar concept some years back, that what we saw in Firefly was way too close to the truth for the powers in control of the media to permit to continue. Of course, many back then didn't realize the extent of gov't corruption existent at the time. This has become more obvious, and many who used to support the current U.S. administration have come to see the truth.

I agree completely with your analysis. Firefly was not allowed to become popular because it could have caused people to investigate things too much, and that would never do.

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Sunday, December 18, 2005 9:57 PM

SNEAKER98, the onus is on you, not on Truthishere. YOU, not him/her, need to look first at the things he said, not ask him to "work his way up." He is there; you are not. Do some homework on MKUltra. Yes, he's right that Bush is being taken to task now for illegal use of the NSA on U.S. citizens. Before you or anyone else makes a case out of the state of Utah taken out of context, FIRST address the FACTS of MKUltra, etc. If you think they are conspiracies, you are sadly uninformed.

Both you and WHoisRiver think that we can overlook the piss-poor presentation of the series on TV because you think it had nothing to do with the show's failing to make money. How can you be so blind? WhoisRiver said, "Firefly, the TV series, lost millions for Fox Broadcastin Corporation." Now exactly who do you think is responsible for that? HMMMM?

Could it by any chance be the corporations who CONTROL the media and keep it away from the truth? HMMMM?

Wake up, guys, it's LAAATE.

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Sunday, December 18, 2005 10:04 PM

WhoisRiver said:
"...and you're giving liberals a bad name here."

In today's world the question is NOT liberal vs. conservative, or Republican vs. Democrat. The question is TRUTH vs. LIES. Spend a few thousand hours over the next few years looking into just exactly what you are being told, compared with just exactly what is the truth, and your eyes will be opened.

If you get any percentage of your "news" from TV, you can't have a clue about what's really happening.

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Sunday, December 18, 2005 10:53 PM

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Originally posted by Ruxton:
SNEAKER98, the onus is on you, not on Truthishere. YOU, not him/her, need to look first at the things he said, not ask him to "work his way up." He is there; you are not. Do some homework on MKUltra. Yes, he's right that Bush is being taken to task now for illegal use of the NSA on U.S. citizens. Before you or anyone else makes a case out of the state of Utah taken out of context, FIRST address the FACTS of MKUltra, etc. If you think they are conspiracies, you are sadly uninformed.

Excuse me?

No. It's not. You presented the argument, not me. YOU are the one expected to back it up. To suggest otherwise is simply lazyness. For shame, sir. I'm not doing your homework for you, as this isn't high school anymore.

Quote:
Originally posted by Ruxton:
Both you and WHoisRiver think that we can overlook the piss-poor presentation of the series on TV because you think it had nothing to do with the show's failing to make money. How can you be so blind? WhoisRiver said, "Firefly, the TV series, lost millions for Fox Broadcastin Corporation." Now exactly who do you think is responsible for that? HMMMM?

Could it by any chance be the corporations who CONTROL the media and keep it away from the truth? HMMMM?

Wake up, guys, it's LAAATE.

Yes, phrasing vague questions have truley convinced me of your argument.

Lazy assed conspiracy theorists do not convince me of squat. If you're going to present some argument, at least have some form of proof ready.

Next, you'll be telling me that we never landed on the moon. (Please, PLEASE make this argument. My major is Astrophysics, and I do enjoy shooting folks down on this one ;))

"I do the job... and then I get paid. Go run your little world."
-Malcolm Reynolds

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Monday, December 19, 2005 12:35 AM

WHOISRIVER

See, the thing is, I fully agree the Bush administration is extremely corrupt.

Now, do I think somebody sat in the Whitehouse going "Shit! That programme on Fox! Firefly! They might make it to Miranda and uncover the truth! CANCEL THAT SHOW!"?

No.

Universal made the motion picture. Did it kill the whitehouse? Did anything happen?

No.

I hate George W. Bush. Do I think he, or anybody remotely related to him had ANYTHING to do with Firefly's cancellation? No.

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Monday, December 19, 2005 4:05 AM

I just knew this thread was gonna go this way.
Okay...
Fact: NOBODY in the Bush administration EVER saw Firefly, they are too busy watching West Wing for slips of classified info and Dukes Of Hazzard reruns for enjoyment (oh, and attending to the war-thing also).
Fact: Conspiracy=business=government.
Fact: Doesn't matter what makes money, truth or lies; only really good thing about capitalism- if the truth looks like it'll make money, it gets a green light (not that it happens often, but they didn't make Ellen Brockovitch(sp?) or JFK in Russia, did they?)
Fact: Mind control is being tested as we speak...er, type (case in point: LynchAJ

)
Fact: Proof regarding a conspiracy theory would render it no longer in the catagory of a THEORY, now wouldn't it???
Fact: I'm late for work now....

Dashing thru the snow Chrisisall

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Monday, December 19, 2005 10:26 AM

Chris, thanks ever so much. We've both been there, amigo, and I doubt either of us has time or interest to go back and educate a few assholes who can't read what's presented right in front of their faces. I refuse to respond to these clowns who always think they're right, yet don't have the courtesy nor the interest to go look in FFF.net forums to see where you and I and Citizen and Signym and the Cavalier and a few others have overlinked to the truth behind our statements.

Nice to see Truthishere is in the right camp, one more who at least has a clue what's going on in the world.

Again, Chris, thanks and best wishes to you and yours.

........Ruxton

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Monday, December 19, 2005 2:19 PM

It's funny how many different levels of denial there are.
* Bush is great; there are no conspiracies.
* Bush is a jerk; there are no conspiracies.
* Bush is evil; most conspiracy theories are just movie-material, they don't exist in real life that way.

When shields are up and comfort levels must remain high, there's no seeing any new truths. Being possibly wrong about anything, anytime, is a human condition that most of us deny most of the time. The need to be right precludes most investigation into alteration of set beliefs.

There was even a conspiracy against Christ once....

Merry hollidays, Rux.

Carmine, what sets off the metal detectors first...Chrisisall

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Monday, December 19, 2005 2:36 PM

CITIZEN

Next some of you will be saying that Bush started the war in Iraq for Oil and the lucrative rebuilding contracts that could be farmed out to his friends...

No wait, the other thing.

Cognitive Dissonance?

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
Remember, the ice caps aren't melting, the water is being liberated.

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Monday, December 19, 2005 2:43 PM

RIVER6213

This whole topic belongs in Troll Country.

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Monday, December 19, 2005 2:44 PM

LOL, yeah, well let's keep it a little close to reality, okay?

No one would kill for oil....Chrisisall

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Monday, December 19, 2005 2:48 PM

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Originally posted by RiveR6213:
This whole topic belongs in Troll Country.

Do you mind? We're exploring possible conspiracies againt our BDH's here!
And a bit more...

See a Troll and beat him up;
All the day you'll have good luck
Rhyming-challenged Chrisisall

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Monday, December 19, 2005 7:27 PM

BEOWULF3112

would any of you be interested in buying an anti-mind control tinfoil hat for the measly prise of 10,000 dollars.

Honestly guys, i dowt Joss Wedon even knows about the whole Utah drone project.

"they will swing back to the belief that they can make people, better. And i do not hold to that." Mal

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Monday, December 19, 2005 8:10 PM

Interesting. Not once have I said "I disagree", nor gave my opinion on any of the proposed topics at hand.

Yet I'm assumed to be "Blind to the truth!" when I question what I'm presented with and ask for more.

This is what gives Conspiracy Theorists a bad name. Isn't it quite hypocritical to insult me when I question what's presented as evidence, when you yourself have done the exact same with regards to "the system/the man/the beast/etc"?

"I do the job... and then I get paid. Go run your little world."
-Malcolm Reynolds

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Monday, December 19, 2005 8:25 PM

RIVER6213

Regardless of what you are trying to explore. I still think it belongs in Troll country.

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Tuesday, December 20, 2005 5:25 AM

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Originally posted by sneaker98:
Isn't it quite hypocritical to insult me when I question what's presented as evidence, when you yourself have done the exact same with regards to "the system/the man/the beast/etc"?

If I've insulted you, sorry.
But if you're open to new discoveries about the evil machinations of governments, then cool.
Personally, if I find a theory that interests me, I don't wait for more, I investigate myself.

And if you just think for a second like a golden-boy in the halls of power who's used to the idea that God put him and his peerless intelect on this planet to make a better world for all mankind (sound like any Operatives we know?), you might be able to imagine all kinds of crap that you'd be looking into towards that end.

There's loads of auto-bios out there worth reading; just pick any ex-CIA guy to start...

Chrisisall

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Tuesday, December 20, 2005 7:43 AM

AUNTYCHRIS

OK, I feel like a little mushroom, kept in the dark and fed $hit. But I believe in "relativity": everything is relative, one man's truth is another man's lie. Sometimes these wild conspiracy theories do turn out to be true, usually years after the fact, but most of the time they cannot be proven and fall by the wayside, only to be replaced by others. In the end the world continues to turn and injustices, like Firefly being cancelled, happen. That popular demand was able to get the movie made is a strike for our side, but ultimately money talks, so we'll have to wait to see if the "Firefly expose" blows the lid off any of these excellent plots to dominate the world or not.

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Tuesday, December 20, 2005 8:36 AM

FREERADICAL42

Firefly was definitely not canceled for hitting the truth. First, the "truth" that you're pushing is in the movie.

Second, regarding Fox's conservative bent; you guys haven't noticed the common thread in all Fox programming? The news is appalled at the moral decay of America, and then some chick (I only use this term when it's deserved; you make yourself an object, I'll call you one) on a reality show is having sex in a hot tub. Hypocrites much?

Fox sells sensationalism, and I think that there were parts of Firefly that were right up this alley. The problem was, they sold the *rest* of the series wrong and thereby killed it.

It's not mind control; the government doesn't care if some writer comes up with something similar to what they're doing; who the hell would believe it, anyway? I certainly don't.

"See, morbid and creepifying, I got no problem with, long as she does it quiet-like."

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Tuesday, December 20, 2005 12:00 PM