Serenity Might Fly Again! by harshcritic

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Serenity Might Fly Again!

POSTED BY: HARSHCRITIC
UPDATED: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 16:00
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Saturday, January 21, 2006 12:26 PM

I saw this article on gateworld.com and decided to create the same thread here. Thanks for the info NowIwillDetroyAbydos.

http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=0&id=34083

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Saturday, January 21, 2006 1:22 PM

ILLEGALARGENTINE

I wish it would...but I don't know if it can. Firefly got lucky in being made into the movie Serenity, but the problem was that movie made no money and was taken out of theaters after only 2 weeks.

Firefly will probably never comeback to tv, I wish Josh Weedon would write some books for the show or something to keep telling the stories, but that guy doesn't have the time to write books.

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Saturday, January 21, 2006 1:47 PM

KHYRON

Quote:
Originally posted by illegalArgentine:
... but the problem was that movie made no money and was taken out of theaters after only 2 weeks.

Huh!? The movie didn't make LOTS of money, but it did make money (around $39 million if you include the overseas box office). And I don't know where you are, but in a lot of places it was in the cinemas for far longer than 2 weeks.

It's alright to try to keep a realistic perspective, just don't make things seem worse than they are just to justify your point.

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Saturday, January 21, 2006 2:31 PM

TMURRIE

We will fly again, but it only depends on what forum we get it on, and this is what I believe, whether its movies, shows, or comics.

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Saturday, January 21, 2006 9:06 PM

ANONYMOUS1

The scifiwire interview is with Loni Peristere, visual-effects supervisor for Serenity.

Loni compares Serenity DVD sales to Wedding Crashers DVD sales.

http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=0&id=34083 the Serenity Might Fly Again?

Quote:
Originally posted by illegalArgentine:
was taken out of theaters ...I wish Josh Weedon would write some books for the show or something to keep telling the stories, but that guy doesn't have the time to write books.

Joss has time to write comic books and he said he would. Steven Brust has already written a Firefly/Serenity book. I hope he is one of the authors that gets picked for the next books.

Serenity is still playing in US theaters. 115 continuous days!

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Saturday, January 21, 2006 9:40 PM

UNTRAINEDAPE

Bah, books and comics! Bah I say! Give us a new show, or atleast a new movie.

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Saturday, January 21, 2006 9:54 PM

ANONYMOUS1

Quote:
Originally posted by UntrainedApe:
Bah, books and comics! Bah I say! Give us a new show, or atleast a new movie.

Heh.

Give us new movie, new show on cable or tv, new books, new comic Books, new posters, new Official magazines, Official calendars.

You can preorder Dzur. Scheduled to be released August 8, 2006.

And Cha back at ya.

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Sunday, January 22, 2006 11:49 AM

HARSHCRITIC

I think there is a good chance we will get a new movie as a scifi orginal picture with a much cheaper budget like under 20 million. They will probably also relaese it on DVD as well. That way they are sure to make a profit.

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Sunday, January 22, 2006 11:52 AM

GOODNIGHTKISS

I think Firefly would do great as a SciFi show. Fox has a history of canceling good shows, and trying to milk mediocre ones too long (honestly, X-Files was done by Season 7).

If they ever got it off the ground again, I'd watch. :)

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Sunday, January 22, 2006 2:57 PM

SHADOWJO

Hopes and prays that we will fly again.

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Sunday, January 22, 2006 3:09 PM

THEGREYJEDI

Blood of the horse! Brust wrote a book set in the 'verse?!

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Sunday, January 22, 2006 6:00 PM

ANONYMOUS1

Quote:
Originally posted by TheGreyJedi:
Blood of the horse! Brust wrote a book set in the 'verse?!

Yes, but he has not heard back from Pocket Books yet.

http://skzbrust.livejournal.com/

First time he mentioned it was in his live journal entry on Monday, September 19th, 2005

http://skzbrust.livejournal.com/?skip=20

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Sunday, January 22, 2006 6:32 PM

GROOSALUGG

I would be almost stunned if there wasn't at least a made-for-Sci-Fi Channel movie somewhere down the line. You look at how bad most of their original movies are, and since they're also owned by Universal and already have the rights, I can't imagine them passing at the chance for a Serenity movie.

But we should still be greedy, aim high, and hope for another feature-film version.

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Sunday, January 22, 2006 8:15 PM

FORGOTN

I think our best bet would be either a SciFi series, not an unprecedented event, I mean they have the rightsto the original show and they are using them and it wouldn't be the first spin off series that SciFi has done and done well (I am a fan of SG: Atlantis). But there is a lot of logistical work to be done before that happens.

Our best hope is for Joss to write some more FF Comics, if he isn't to busy with Astonishing X-Men. I would LOVE for him to put out a monthly FF book. I think that it would be a great way to keep the Verse going. The thing I am worried about is that if the Verse lies dormant for too long it might not start up for a very long time, and then probably with new characters on a new ship in a new time periode (Think StarTrek TNG)

But i got carried away there. Basicaly either a SciFI series or books probably of the Comic variety.

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Sunday, January 22, 2006 8:51 PM

BELOWZERO

Yeah, and Ih ear none of the sold-out previewed showing were included in the final box office, which is stupid, and likely would run us to $65k.

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Sunday, January 22, 2006 10:12 PM

GROOSALUGG

Quote:
Originally posted by ForgotN:
I think our best bet would be either a SciFi series

Except that, unfortunately, Fox apparently stills owns the rights to it as a TV series. Universal (and by extension, the Sci-Fi Channel) have the movie rights, but they'd have to buy the TV rights from Fox first before producing their own series, and the cost of that might be too much to make it worth their while.

(Sci-Fi Channel has the rights to air the syndicated re-runs of Firefly, but that's a whole separate deal.)

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Monday, January 23, 2006 2:24 AM

PILOTRITA

Quote:
Originally posted by illegalArgentine:
I wish it would...but I don't know if it can. Firefly got lucky in being made into the movie Serenity, but the problem was that movie made no money and was taken out of theaters after only 2 weeks.

Firefly will probably never comeback to tv, I wish Josh Weedon would write some books for the show or something to keep telling the stories, but that guy doesn't have the time to write books.

HA! that's funny...it was in theatres here in Washington State for MANY weeks thank you very much! :) I dont know what this 2 weeks thing is, or this didn't make any money thing....*scratches head*
Seems to me the figures are off a bit....Way to go on your positive thinking also....sheesh. If more thought like you we'd NEVER had had the MOVIE......so please just stop thinking negatively.
Also....I dont know where you all are here, but Comcast has the Firefly series on "On Demand" right now, more people will be able to see the series! PLUS there's lots of talk about Serenity out there still. Joss will ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS have time and/or make time for Serenity/Firefly...of that I have NO doubts :)

Let's be bad guys!

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Monday, January 23, 2006 4:37 AM

DHEROOFCANTON

You have prob already seen this but i tought id stick it up just in case!!

Serenity And Beyond
Exclusive: Whedon on Firefly's future

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Browncoats around the world cried out in despair when, due to an underwhelming performance at the box office, Joss Whedon announced that the saga of Serenity had ended. No sequels, no follow-ups, no hope. But Whedon isn't a man to let his brain-child die; the man's already resuscitated the franchise once and there's still hope for a third coming.

"A sequel's unlikely," Whedon told Empire with a note of clear regret, "but it's amazing what permutations of something can happen." But if not a theatrical encore, that leaves... yes, you guessed it, a possible return to the smaller screen. "As long as I was able to service the characters with integrity and had enough money so that I wasn't hampered, then I would love to return Serenity to TV. I love that universe; it continues and those characters live on. There could be a series, there could be a miniseries, there could be all sorts of things. I'm not ruling anything out. I'll let it simmer for a while and see if anyone calls."

As for why the film failed to rake in the cash despite uniformly glowing reviews, according to Whedon it's all in the presentation. "It's a question of marketing ultimately. The fact that I like to dance around genres with gay abandon has worked to my disadvantage. Nobody knows exactly how to market anything I do because it usually has so much in it. It has a diffuseness because of it's origin that keeps it from being the easy sell. Some people also said that you can't call an action movie 'Serenity' but I think that's still okay. What was I going to call it? 'Big Smash Bang With Boobies'? Which was, of course my second choice."

DVD sales should, however, put Serenity back in the black and when the bucks start rolling in we can only hope that one of the suits at Universal looks at the numbers, adds the success of the Firefly DVD box set and greenlights a return for Captain Reynolds and his crew. Until that time we advise Whedon to keep his phone switched on.

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Monday, January 23, 2006 8:48 AM

BOWIE

My hopes still fly, Serenity will rise.

Serenity forever.

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Monday, January 23, 2006 11:53 AM

HARSHCRITIC

Quote:
Originally posted by Groosalugg:
I would be almost stunned if there wasn't at least a made-for-Sci-Fi Channel movie somewhere down the line. You look at how bad most of their original movies are, and since they're also owned by Universal and already have the rights, I can't imagine them passing at the chance for a Serenity movie.

They make the silliest Sci fi original movies for the most part. They are obviously desparate for some new good material. I agree with you whole heartly we will see a scifi original sequel at the very least.

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Monday, January 23, 2006 12:02 PM

CHICKENHED

I'm facinated to know how Serenity in some way or another can't be done. A show that has spent 2 years in the top 10 (now back in the top 5) Amazon DVD sales rankings. And a movie that has been in the top 5 since its release in late December. How can someone not see that this franchise can be very profitable if released the right way. Serenity WILL be profitable (if it isn't already now) thanks to massive dvd sales.

It's obvious to me that Serenity needs to be brought back to the home market. Whether its a direct to dvd movie, a mini series, or a whole new season of firefly, its a franchise that brings fans and merchandise. From a pure profit prospective, Serenity is perfectly capable of making money. Serenity, while not bringing box office gold, has likely at least doubled the fan base of firefly. All who see it, love it. Now is the time to bring it back, as I said, to the home market.

It has won the fight for new fans, and defended the battle for its old fans. It's time for Serenity to fly again.

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Monday, January 23, 2006 12:07 PM

RIVER6213

Maybe this is a job for the hero of Canton, the man they all call Jayne.

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Monday, January 23, 2006 12:13 PM

INFAMOUSX

Serenity did turn a (relatively) small profit at the box office. Combined with the stellar DVD sales, and subsequent merchandising, Universal saw a nifty return on it's investment.

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Monday, January 23, 2006 12:15 PM

PRAIRIEDOGG

Man I didn't ever see the show on t.v. I didn't go to see the movie. Then one day I'm at my nephews flippin channels and there it was. I watched half an episode and said hey this is a good show. I bought the movie, then the series and now I'm hooked. Bad marketing killed this thing, but we can stay with it and they will bring it back. My nephew now has my FF dvds and I'll make him a true-believer too. Spread the word to keep the dvd sales rollin.

"You're such a boob." - River

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Monday, January 23, 2006 12:21 PM

JOELIST

I think that if SciFi could get the rights for a reasonable cost the would do a series without question.

Their Friday night lineup averages a rating of about 2.0, and all three are big successes for SciFi, and make them money simply because SciFi can make these shows at a better cost.

Firefly averaged a 2.5 in its one aborted season, and Serenity did do well (why would you not count the prescreenings when Serenity had so many and they were so well attended?), so for SciFi it would be money in the bank.

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Monday, January 23, 2006 12:24 PM

CARTOON

The movie only ran for a few weeks here in northeastern Pennsylvania. I was very disappointed, because after fruitless weeks of trying to talk relatives into going to see it, I wanted to go back a second time, myself, and it was already out of all three, local theatre chains.

Most depressing.

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Monday, January 23, 2006 12:32 PM

PRAIRIEDOGG

Nothing else to add really I just wanted to use the smiley faces:
Heres to Fox for axeing the show

Heres to universal for pickin it up

and this one is just to see the smilley face puke on his buddy

look he's pukin on his buddy........ah that's entertainment

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Monday, January 23, 2006 12:54 PM

QUEENOFTHENORTH

Quote:
Originally posted by illegalArgentine:
I wish it would...but I don't know if it can. Firefly got lucky in being made into the movie Serenity, but the problem was that movie made no money and was taken out of theaters after only 2 weeks.

Not entirely (or even remotely) accurate. I went to see Serenity in its second week in the city. Then, TWO WEEKS AFTER THAT, it came to the theatre in my crappy little hometown, where I saw it twice more. Then, it was my understanding that it was in other theatres for a few weeks after that. So two months might be a little more accurate.

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Monday, January 23, 2006 2:02 PM

CARTOON

Quote:
Originally posted by queenofthenorth:
Not entirely (or even remotely) accurate. I went to see Serenity in its second week in the city. Then, TWO WEEKS AFTER THAT, it came to the theatre in my crappy little hometown, where I saw it twice more. Then, it was my understanding that it was in other theatres for a few weeks after that. So two months might be a little more accurate.

Well, Queen, I see you're back to contradicting me again --

-- which means, there's order in the universe, and the world is as it should be.

In case you missed my somewhat insignificant post above*, I mentioned that the movie was only out for a few weeks here, locally -- probably 2 or 3 at most. I venture that how long it was out depended largely on where it was shown, and local audience turnout -- which mustn't have been very good here.

*I'd venture that my posts contracted whatever your posts had that made them invisible. Really, you should warn people if your posts are contageous, so they could stay away from them.

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Tuesday, January 24, 2006 5:59 AM

JHANCE11

39 million in the theatres, still in theatres overseas. The decideing factor will be DVD sales and the kind of reception they get At the conventions which the bigwigs from every network and movie company watch. Even if the movie goes straight to DVD it can make money. Keep the faith

jhance11

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Tuesday, January 24, 2006 6:13 AM

QUEENOFTHENORTH

Quote:
Originally posted by cartoon:

Well, Queen, I see you're back to contradicting me again -- -- which means, there's order in the universe, and the world is as it should be.

In case you missed my somewhat insignificant post above*, I mentioned that the movie was only out for a few weeks here, locally -- probably 2 or 3 at most. I venture that how long it was out depended largely on where it was shown, and local audience turnout -- which mustn't have been very good here.

*I'd venture that my posts contracted whatever your posts had that made them invisible. Really, you should warn people if your posts are contageous, so they could stay away from them.

"You see, Vera? You dress yourself up, then you get taken out somewhere nice."

No, I saw your post, so it's not invisible - to me anyway.

I just figured that IllegalArgentine person was talking more about all theatres than just theatres in one area, like you were. And I was contradicting IllegalArgentine, not you.

But anyway, we leave in different countries, so that could likely explain why it was in theatres longer in my area than it was in yours.

"I'm having one of those things - a headache with pictures."

"Of course I'm right. And if I'm not, may we all be horribly crushed from above somehow."

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Tuesday, January 24, 2006 6:46 AM

GLOBLABSURDITY

Here, in Atlanta, Serenity stayed in the theatres until mid December--at least in one theatre that I know of. It was in three theatres until the end of November.

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Tuesday, January 24, 2006 7:15 AM

CARTOON

Quote:
Originally posted by queenofthenorth:
And I was contradicting IllegalArgentine, not you.

Oh dear. Does this mean that the world is not as it should be? Surely, we must set about to make it right, and find disagreement once again.

Yes, I understood your post. Just having a bit of fun at your expense. Sorry.

"Well, my days of not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle."

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Tuesday, January 24, 2006 7:38 AM

QUEENOFTHENORTH

Quote:
Originally posted by cartoon:
Quote:
Originally posted by queenofthenorth:
And I was contradicting IllegalArgentine, not you.

Oh dear. Does this mean that the world is not as it should be? Surely, we must set about to make it right, and find disagreement once again.

Yes, I understood your post. Just having a bit of fun at your expense. Sorry.

"Well, my days of not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle."

Well, pick a topic. I'll see if I disagree with you and if we can make the world as it should be again.

"I'm having one of those things - a headache with pictures."

"Of course I'm right. And if I'm not, may we all be horribly crushed from above somehow."

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Tuesday, January 24, 2006 10:12 AM

LONGLOSTBRISTOW

I mentioned that the movie was only out for a few weeks here, locally -- probably 2 or 3 at most.

Depends on the venue. Marquee Cinemas in downtown Scranton had it for about 2 weeks, while Cinemark on Montage Mountain had it for about a month. I remember pestering my friends to go see it for about 3-4 weeks. I had already seen it once, the week after it's opening weekend, and wanted to see it again. Didn't happen, though.

-Meg

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Tuesday, January 24, 2006 10:37 AM

TOMSIMPSONAZ

You know what hurt Firefly? Years and years of horrible horrible sci-fi movies and shows written by writers who had never seen a vagina in their life yet trying to capture action, adventure, and love in their stories.

My buddy and I saw Serenity without having any idea what Firefly was and we said to each other, "Boy, I wonder how much this one is going to suck"

So we were a little surprised. I have a few sets of the series and a couple copies of the movie and I've been converting people ever since. All it takes is lending it to them for a couple weeks.

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Tuesday, January 24, 2006 11:27 AM

HARSHCRITIC

I think Serenity may convert more new fans on HBO then in the theaters. So many people who would have loved the movie simply did not know about it or were unsure of its quality.

There is a chance it may be discovered on cable tv this summer. I would not be surprise if that happened. When don't know if this will happen, but there is a chance.

I know naysayers think that this kind of thing is impossible, but it really isn't. People often discover movies out of the theaters. There is this movie that came out over a year ago, but recently it got on the top 15 vido rental list.

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Tuesday, January 24, 2006 12:07 PM

CARTOON

Quote:
Originally posted by longlostbristow:
Depends on the venue. Marquee Cinemas in downtown Scranton had it for about 2 weeks, while Cinemark on Montage Mountain had it for about a month. I remember pestering my friends to go see it for about 3-4 weeks. I had already seen it once, the week after it's opening weekend, and wanted to see it again. Didn't happen, though.

Whoah. I saw it at the Marquee Cinemas. You must be from my neck of the woods.

I initially saw it alone -- on the first day, then begged both my nephew and cousin to go -- and after vainly waiting for them, it was too late, as "Serenity" was out of all the local theatres.

My recollection is more like I pleaded with them for 2 or 3 weeks. I could be wrong, though. As Queen will undoubtedly attest, I am (on rare occasion) wrong.

(Parenthetical thought: Why am I grinning about being wrong??)

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Tuesday, January 24, 2006 12:24 PM

LONGLOSTBRISTOW

Whoah. I saw it at the Marquee Cinemas. You must be from my neck of the woods.

Scranton here

Parenthetical thought: Why am I grinning about being wrong??)

Temporary insanity?

I don't think those extra few weeks made much of a difference, though.

-Meg

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Tuesday, January 24, 2006 1:14 PM

CARTOON

Quote:
Originally posted by longlostbristow:
Scranton here

I was living in Scranton at the time, but I'm in Clarks Summit, now. Small world.

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Tuesday, January 24, 2006 1:39 PM

CMOTD

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39 million in the theatres, still in theatres overseas. The decideing factor will be DVD sales and the kind of reception they get At the conventions which the bigwigs from every network and movie company watch. Even if the movie goes straight to DVD it can make money. Keep the faith

Yep, but the DVD has slipped out of the top five sales rankings, didn't someone say that if the film slid that far down the sales chart, we were in trouble?

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Tuesday, January 24, 2006 1:52 PM

NOVASTARCLOUD

Quote:
Originally posted by harshcritic:
I think Serenity may convert more new fans on HBO then in the theaters. So many people who would have loved the movie simply did not know about it or were unsure of its quality.

There is a chance it may be discovered on cable tv this summer. I would not be surprise if that happened. When don't know if this will happen, but there is a chance.

I know naysayers think that this kind of thing is impossible, but it really isn't. People often discover movies out of the theaters. There is this movie that came out over a year ago, but recently it got on the top 15 vido rental list.

I totally agree! I dream someday there will be a new HBO category: HBO-SciFi

So we wouldn't be at the mercy of the Sci-Fi Channel and all their bug movies and endless commercials. But, I digress because it was the Sci-Fi Channel that brought Firefly to my attention.

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Tuesday, January 24, 2006 4:00 PM

SHINEY777

Hello there folks! Check out the thread 'Alright...Enough screwin' around. Let's get this series back on the air'.
We are discussing mounting a e-mail, snail mail campaign, and could use some of your thoughts and suggestions.

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