What you love most about the firefly vers... by dyepbr

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What you love most about the firefly vers...

POSTED BY: DYEPBR
UPDATED: Friday, February 3, 2006 06:53
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Thursday, February 2, 2006 9:48 PM

Personally, firefly has been the most enjoyable sci-fi for me, and largely for the realism it brings to the verse....

1) no aliens..... i kno there is already a thread on this, but i just love the idea of a sci-fi without "humanoid" aliens. Aliens can add another element to the mix, but even if someway somehow we did discover aliens, there is a one chance in a zillion that they would look even remotely like human. instead of having some purple-skinned guy with pointy ears and extra eye-brow ridges, firefly uses (human) character diversity

2) no sound in space..... while loud space explosions and jet blasts may add to the scene, i always complained about how there is no air for sound to travel in. and watching firefly for the first time, i nearly creamed in my pants when I heard nothing but guitar and violin. firefly stayed true to physics, and to my knowledge is the first to acknowledge it.

3) serenity.... the ship doesn't even have guns on it, its outdated and its falling apart half the time... its nice to know that firefly took a different direction than most sci-fi's, with their 1st class warships... it definately allows for broadening plot spectrums and makes firefly just a great story to tell...

i love firefly

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Thursday, February 2, 2006 10:54 PM

ASARIAN

River. In point of fact.

"Mei-mei, everything I have is right here." -- Simon Tam.

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Thursday, February 2, 2006 11:02 PM

XIEAINING

Don't disagree with you on any particular point...

I will add that what one thing I really love about the Firefly 'verse is that it's so layered, complex, and terrifying. Joss set it up so that he had unlimited potential for plots:

The Alliance/Blue Sun fascist govt/corporate monopoly

The brutally powerful Alliance ships and resources vs. the poverty and powerlessness of those on The Rim

The well-regulated (controlled) core planets contrasted with the hardscrabble backwater moons

The tightrope the crew walks between the Alliance, the Reavers, and everyone else that Mal has pissed off

these things and more Joss created in just the frakkin first two episodes. These points of tension or conflict alone could power several seasons worth of scripts, not counting the mountain of interpersonal tension/conflict potential that was there with the crew members themselves.

The sheer genius of the scope and power of Joss' vision. That kinda stuff.

(I'll be in my bunk.)

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Thursday, February 2, 2006 11:09 PM

J6NGO1977

I love Yo/Saf/Bridge because she's really hot :D. Besides that adorable red head:

Yes I like the no sound in space fact. It adds atmosphere.

I like the 'natural' acting and the complexity of the characters created by the talented actors.

I love the cinematography (focus pulling, shaky cam, mis-framing etc). It makes you feel like you are there.

I love the excellant continuity from episode to episode (it takes skilled writing to do that).

It's all good. I just love it all :)

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Friday, February 3, 2006 12:45 AM

ASARIAN

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Originally posted by j6ngo1977:
I love Yo/Saf/Bridge because she's really hot :D. Besides that adorable red head:)

Sorry for being so daft, but who is Yo/Saf/Bridge?? (I've only been at this for two weeks). Sounds like you're talking about Saffron, though. If so, yeah, she's the kind of woman that makes you want to go to your bunk. :)

"Mei-mei, everything I have is right here." -- Simon Tam.

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Friday, February 3, 2006 1:08 AM

SAINTANDEOL

Yo/Saff/Bridge is a joke Mal made in trash, a play on her many names; Yolanda, Saffron, and Bridget.

Clouds appear
and bring to men a chance to rest
from looking at the moon.
-Matsuo Basho

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Friday, February 3, 2006 1:11 AM

CAPELLA

Hi,

I love the camera work on the TV-series, all this handheld camera stuff and the lense flares and a lot of blurs and so on. They have many clos-ups from the oddest angles, too, it gives you the impression you are standing right there with them.

Also I just love the dining room on the Serenity and all scenes they play there. It feels so much like a home. In most SF-series, everything is just the bridge and maybe some quaters which look like uninhabited hotel rooms to me. On the Serenity you very much get the impression of people really living there.

Also I really love that Mal and the others sometimes do things that are not all shiny and honorable. The duel scene in Shindig, where Mal says "Mercy is the mark of a great man" and then stabs at Atherton twice "Maybe I am just a good man...well, I am alright" captures this perfectly. I also love the scene in War Stories, when Zoe, Wash and Jayne storm into the room where Mal is fighting with Nitka's goon. Jayne want to shoot, Zoe stops him and says: "No, this is something the Captain has to do on his own" (yeah, which of course is what would happen in most other shows out there, isn't it? The hero taking care of his own problems and so on...). And Mal, being more dead than alive, just says "No it ain't" and Zoe says "Oh, okay" and they shoot the bad guy. I think this is my favorite scene from all the series.

Keep flying,
Capella

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Friday, February 3, 2006 2:05 AM

NUCLEARDAY

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Originally posted by Capella:
...I also love the scene in War Stories, when Zoe, Wash and Jayne storm into the room where Mal is fighting with Nitka's goon. Jayne want to shoot, Zoe stops him and says: "No, this is something the Captain has to do on his own" (yeah, which of course is what would happen in most other shows out there, isn't it? The hero taking care of his own problems and so on...). And Mal, being more dead than alive, just says "No it ain't" and Zoe says "Oh, okay" and they shoot the bad guy. I think this is my favorite scene from all the series...

I LOVE that scene. Gets me every time. I always enjoy when they mix things up a bit, and take a different direction than you think they would. Also from that episode, where Niska starts that speech with Zoe about making her choose, and she right away picks Wash. :P

I think the Serenity itself is probably my favorite part of the series. (So gorram pissed they didn't keep the set around, you know, just in case... Means they'll have to rebuild it all over again once we finally get the show running again.)

Like has been said, it doesn't even have any ruttin' guns on it, how different is that from the typical sci-fi fare? It's really kind of an ugly looking ship, too. The sort of ugly only someone who knows well enough could love. :P Also like, as has been said, how it actually looks like people live there. All the little touches Kaylee's added throughout, like the flowers in the dining room, her little hammock in the engine room. Everyone's room, actually, has a lot of great hints about the type of person who lives there. Like I noticed Wash and Zoe's room has all those dinosaurs, and of course Jayne has his wall o' guns.

Also, I WANT Wash's chair that he has in the cockpit. Talk about lived-in... You take one look at that cockpit, and it tells you this ain't gonna be another Star Trek rip-off...

Also agree with Capella, above, about the dining room. That place just felt like home, and those scenes where they're all together eating really sum up the spirit of the show for me.

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Friday, February 3, 2006 2:41 AM

DONCOAT

Serenity is a gem, abso-ruttin-lutely. If there's one thing wrong with her, it's that she's maybe a bit too roomy. Most aircraft (and all submarines and spacecraft) are quite cramped, especially the cockpits. But of course one reason for Serenity's roominess is practical -- at various times you have to get multiple cast members (not to mention crews and cameras) into each space on the ship.

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I don't disagree on any particular point.

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Friday, February 3, 2006 3:26 AM

J6NGO1977

Quote:
Originally posted by Capella:

I also love the scene in War Stories, when Zoe, Wash and Jayne storm into the room where Mal is fighting with Nitka's goon. Jayne want to shoot, Zoe stops him and says: "No, this is something the Captain has to do on his own" (yeah, which of course is what would happen in most other shows out there, isn't it? The hero taking care of his own problems and so on...). And Mal, being more dead than alive, just says "No it ain't" and Zoe says "Oh, okay" and they shoot the bad guy. I think this is my favorite scene from all the series.

Yeh I love that scene as well. It made me laugh out loud and when Jayne and Zoe unload their guns on the bad guy it is just totally Pulp Fiction.

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Friday, February 3, 2006 3:26 AM

RAVENHAIR

Yes, everything everybody said already...
the characters, the cinematography, the set (love the dining room and all the scenes filmed there)the continuity, and the fact that every time I log on here someone points out something else to look for so that I'm "forced" to watch episodes again and again (like I need an excuse).

The BDS and BDM are so layered that I find something new with each viewing...that's great television (did I use 'great' and 'television' in the same sentence? yes, because I'm talking about Firefly)

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Friday, February 3, 2006 3:36 AM

RPLACKETT

I love the way that the technology is ignored, just as it is today - its there but its never explained. This neatly sidesteps all the warpbabble and reduces it all back to the story.

Yep we'll be there in a day.

This (and the lack of aliens) adds tremendously to the realism and the feeling of conection you get with the crew. Their lives are so much more like ours, there is technology there, but they dont spend hours having expousing conversations about warp theory.

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Friday, February 3, 2006 6:13 AM

OLDFOGEY

Quote:
Originally posted by DonCoat:
Serenity is a gem, abso-ruttin-lutely. If there's one thing wrong with her, it's that she's maybe a bit too roomy. Most aircraft (and all submarines and spacecraft) are quite cramped...

They kind of explain it in one of the books. See,
first they solved the Unified Field Theory, then
they invented the grav drive. (Simple really -
the gravity generator's connected to the engine
drive and the engine drive's connected to life
support. It's all one big twisty thing in there,
so most people just call the whole package "grav
drive").

Somewhere in there is the law of conservation of
gravity. That's not in the book but I figure it's
just so obvious that they don't bother to mention
it.

Since they got gravity going on inside, they got
antigravity going on outside. This frees them up
to be relatively unworried about things like
aerodynamics and how much more fuel it would take
to lift something bigger and heavier. Firefly
can be as chunky and adorable as they want to make
her.

Oh - what I love most about the verse.
Mal+Serenity. When those two get together
everything else just sort of falls into place.

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Friday, February 3, 2006 6:41 AM

CLIOMUSE

Everyone else has pretty much said it all.

I love that I genuinely cared about the characters because they were written as people, warts and all, and played so beautifully and individually by the actors. I love that the characters were allowed to grow and change. No one was "stuck" in a cliche role, (no "Jayne's the loose cannon, he's *always* going to react *this* way.")

I love the care that went into the sets and costumes, the "reality" of the whole darn thing.

And I love that darn ship.

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Friday, February 3, 2006 6:50 AM

LEIASKY

I don't really need to reply...everyone else has said it for me. But, I can't help but weigh in.

The characters and their complexities and how they respond/react to one another is a highlight of the show for me. The lines and delivery of them are just perfect all the way around.

Everything else I agree with but the above is most important to me.

Tammy

"A government is a body of people usually notably ungoverned."

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Friday, February 3, 2006 6:53 AM

SAMEERTIA

Everything that was said above. Yup, best thing for everybody!

But I will add-

Kaylee's smile, (And by turn Jewel's amazing ability to turn that smile sad, happy, pensive, considerate, loving, or scared and sometimes all at the same time!)

Jayne's (and by turn, Adam Baldwin's) arms. I could watch that man lift weights all day. Oh, wait, I have!

Mal's ability to say everything with an expression. (And of course, that's really Nathan's gift, isn't it?) Whether it's "Oh, crap. We just lost the entire war. Everything I believed in is dead" or "Shut up, Jayne", or "I really love this crew"- just a glance, a wink, a half smile- it's all right there.

Zoe's boots. Gotta LOVE great costuming, and when you see Zoe stride out of the cargo bay that first time on Persephone, that's the first thing thing I notice. Those boots.

Inara's sexual freedom! YOU GO, GIRL! No puritanical shame over sexual expression in our 'verse!

And about a dozen other things that I'll expand on when I'm not about to be late for work...

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