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Originally posted by grizwald:
There's a blood trail to his Lovebot's lap that Mal follows, so he dragged himself to die in her arms.

And the breaking of the glass is a traditional thing at Jewish weddings.

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Originally posted by grizwald:
Oh, and I see you just found us: Welcome. (Takes shiny new Browncoat from FollowMal's storeroom and hands it over.)

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Originally posted by grizwald:
There's a blood trail to his Lovebot's lap that Mal follows, so he dragged himself to die in her arms.

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Originally posted by Hixie129:
Maybe he used his blood (cause is had genetic memory capabilities and inserted some of his blood into one of her orifices)

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Originally posted by mal4prez:
OK, that works. It's the 'orifice' thing that threw me for a loop.

I think a standard keyboard would be funnier though. And a mouse with a retractable cable that doubles as her kneecap.

I'm silly.

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Originally posted by milford:
By the way, not to be crude, but do you think they really, well, you know, wink wink, nudge nudge, say no more? How does that work with a robot? Why do I care?

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By the way, not to be crude, but do you think they really, well, you know, wink wink, nudge nudge, say no more? How does that work with a robot? Why do I care?

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Originally posted by Hanswurst:
Yes, the breaking the glass symbolizing both the destruction of the Temple at Jerusalem and also the fragility/brevity of life--an applicable idea here.

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And the breaking of the glass is a traditional thing at Jewish weddings.

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Originally posted by milford:
By the way, not to be crude, but do you think they really, well, you know, wink wink, nudge nudge, say no more? How does that work with a robot? Why do I care?

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Which by theway, a friend and I are planing on cosplaying these two to my prom. I already bought the fabric for her dress and everything.

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I hope you take pics for us to see. I'm interested in seeing how it comes out :)

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Ya know...

the first time I saw the movie and Mr. Universe was first introduced, I was all "Who the hell is THIS dork!"

But after a few viewings, he has actually grown on me. Weird, huh?

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...She is a "Lovebot". They're expensive, custom-made-to-order, hard to obtain (what company would advertise them publicly?), and earn you a black mark in the Companion registry. KF

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Originally posted by Hanswurst:
Well, actually, he couldn't have typed the message because his voice is woven in with hers as she speaks. And as a sci-fi fan I'm naturally against the mundane idea that he merely recorded his voice. The whole thing suggests to me some kind of odd "transfer" yes, transfer, of his essense, his fading consciousness, in a sci-fi kind of way. The dull answer is he verbally recorded it. It's your world, you decide.

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Originally posted by Hanswurst:
Well, actually, he couldn't have typed the message because his voice is woven in with hers as she speaks. And as a sci-fi fan I'm naturally against the mundane idea that he merely recorded his voice. The whole thing suggests to me some kind of odd "transfer" yes, transfer, of his essense, his fading consciousness, in a sci-fi kind of way. The dull answer is he verbally recorded it. It's your world, you decide.

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That may be the "sci-fi kind of way", but it's not the Firefly way. He just recorded it and the love-bot had a motion sensor that triggered the message. If it was his consciousness, do you think he would have told the operative?

edit: I see you kindof answered that question already. But my point stands that this isn't your standard sci-fi, the simplest answer is most likely the correct one.

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Originally posted by mattcoz:
She's obviously tapping into more of the power of her brain than anyone else, I don't think we're really meant to understand how. The secrets of the human mind are largely unknown to us. Joss has said that psychics is the furthest he was willing to go with the sci-fi nature of his show, and by the way he responds to science questions I'm sure he doesn't have a real explanation for how she does it. She just does.

edit: She reads more than minds too, has a real sense for her surroundings. Like in Out of Gas when they had the fire, she knew before anyone else did.

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Originally posted by Hanswurst:
You (and Joss) make some excellent points, esp. about the human mind's possibilities being largely unknown to us. This was exactly my point re Mr. Universe. I must, however, disagree--and I'm sure Joss would too--with your notion that we ("we" who? George Bush? The stone carvers of the island of Yap? The late George Washington?) are not "meant" to understand our own minds. That idea smacks a bit too much of absolutism, which I in my subjectivity, reject. Again, like everything we've been discussing, it's all subjective--even Joss has subjectivity which affects his biases.

As far as River goes, the outsider as possessor of special powers goes a long way back culturally--everything from the Messiah to the Wise Fool. So, in fact, does the idea of a living human essense embedding itself in an inanimate object (See the Jewish myth of the Golem--interesting in light of Mr. Universe's Jewishness).

One might say we're not meant to understand how Mr. Universe got his voice into his robot girl; some people are satisfied with that. I'm not, and I don't take anyone's artistic interpretation as gospel (even Joss's).

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Originally posted by Hanswurst:
You (and Joss) make some excellent points, esp. about the human mind's possibilities being largely unknown to us. This was exactly my point re Mr. Universe. I must, however, disagree--and I'm sure Joss would too--with your notion that we ("we" who? George Bush? The stone carvers of the island of Yap? The late George Washington?) are not "meant" to understand our own minds. That idea smacks a bit too much of absolutism, which I in my subjectivity, reject. Again, like everything we've been discussing, it's all subjective--even Joss has subjectivity which affects his biases.

As far as River goes, the outsider as possessor of special powers goes a long way back culturally--everything from the Messiah to the Wise Fool. So, in fact, does the idea of a living human essense embedding itself in an inanimate object (See the Jewish myth of the Golem--interesting in light of Mr. Universe's Jewishness).

One might say we're not meant to understand how Mr. Universe got his voice into his robot girl; some people are satisfied with that. I'm not, and I don't take anyone's artistic interpretation as gospel (even Joss's).

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I didn't mean we aren't meant to understand our minds, like ever, I meant we aren't meant to understand how River does what she does in the movie. Don't really have to, just needs to be believable that she can. I also don't mean to say that transferring his "essence" is impossible, just that it's not necessary and doesn't really fit. In my opinion, when she repeated the message to the operative it showed without a doubt that it was just a recording. As Freud would say, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

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Originally posted by Hanswurst:
Whether Mr. Universe's transfer of his essense to the robot is "necessary" is, again, a personal judgment call on your part. I actually do find it necessary for my enjoyment of the story

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