GENERAL DISCUSSIONS

We're all adults, be responsible

POSTED BY: THEPISTONENGINE
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Saturday, March 4, 2006 8:55 PM

THEPISTONENGINE


I've come across several posts in my short time here on the forum that are rude and carelessly belittle other people. Most of these seem unintentional, others seem contrived to simply piss people off. I have, on a couple of occaisons, called people on their posts. I now make a more generic plea.

I'm not saying do not thoroughly and rigorously debate issues and ideas. That's what forums are for, the free flow of ideas subject to cross-examination. What I am asking is that people think before they post, that, when they make a quick quip or joke, look at the spirit of the thread and judge how it will be received. We should double check our posts. If we poke fun at someone, what is the language? Are we being funny or condescending?

Examples
Harmless fun: "Oh come on, surely you knew that!"
Condescending: "Jeez, did I really have to explain it step-by-step?"

Harmless fun: "We all know Wiccans are a little screwy, they scare me! /me runs and hides!"
Condescending: "Wiccan belief is HIlarious, I laugh at it."

Harmless fun: "Damn you Asarian, why you always gotta knife in and steal the hangman quote?"
Condescending: "What the hell? You think you can not guess any letters and then take the grand prize?"
(I'm still feeling some hangman rivalry, Asarian. Got you in my sights.)

I don't ask people to respect the feelings of others here. If you can't take an insult, then grow some skin. I ask people to mind themselves, to talk in adult manner when the mood is appropriate, and to have fun when fun is called for. This isn't about wondering if the other person is going to be drastically hurt by your comments, you can't live your life or mind your posts wondering who might take it the wrong way. Anyone whose seen some of my comments will know I pull no punches. This is about common sense, about not being arrogant and egotistical to the point of believing that you can say what ever you want and not feel reprecussions from the community when they say you're out of line.

It never hurts to throw in a smiley to let those know you're joking.

I'm sure that some people will think that this post is irresponsible, that I'm making a big deal either for the misconduct of a few, or I'm being oversensitive and rash. I realize these opinions, and others, possibly exist before I post. I take responsibility for creating the feelings that this post is inappropriate, but I also am willing to argue my case that it is. While neither side may be willing to come to a consensus, at least there is a valid exchange of ideas. (Note: Exchange of ideas != accepting what others think as fact). Nor do I apologize for my post. I have apologized before for invalid implications I have made, and am prepared to do so again. But if I am truly sorry to offend anyone by my post, I would never post in the first place.

I feel everyone should follow that example. I summarize:

1) Be aware of what you're saying and the tone.
2) Accept responsibility
3) Realize everything you say is subject to disagreement.
4) Don't post something you feel you will have to apologize for. Apologies are made for mistakes, misinterpretations, and unwarranted comments. If you feel in advance an apology is in order, there is something wrong with the post in the first place.
5) Be ready to apologize when you are faced with the fact that you are plain wrong.
6) When the subject matter is serious, be prepared to back up your assertions. If it's purely opinion related, be ready to back up assertions, or, at the very least, acknowledge your ideas are incomplete and intuitive.
7) When losing your temper, keep your intellect intact. There is plenty of time, when typing, to think about exactly what your saying.

Good night all.
Tristen

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Saturday, March 4, 2006 10:10 PM

CHRISMOORHEAD


Well if this aint the pot callin the kettle black...

Have you ever:
Used your teeth as wire strippers?
Given yourself stitches?
Made improvised munitions with no base supplies?
Pissed in a canteen?
Gone a month without bathing?

If so, you MIGHT just be a !HOOAH MOTHERF*CKER!

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Saturday, March 4, 2006 10:12 PM

SIGMANUNKI


This seems to be on a lot of people's minds lately. I just wrote a blog about this, and I know that there is at least 1 thread that brought up the same thing (about a week or so ago).

Basically, I agree and those are certainly good guidelines for posting.

Hopefully people will mind them (at those that don't already). It only takes a few to ruin it for everyone after all.

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"We're in a giant car heading into a brick wall at 100 miles/hr and everybody's arguing about where they want to sit."
-David Suzuki

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Saturday, March 4, 2006 10:15 PM

SIGMANUNKI


Quote:
Originally posted by ChrisMoorhead:

Well if this aint the pot callin the kettle black...



In my mind that really isn't the point. I think what TPE is saying is things have started to get out of hand, so we should start to reel it in.

Who cares who said it? It has become a problem, and we should address it.

Hell, if TPE pulls anything that you don't like, just reference this thread. Or just don't talk to him. It's just that simple.



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"We're in a giant car heading into a brick wall at 100 miles/hr and everybody's arguing about where they want to sit."
-David Suzuki

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Saturday, March 4, 2006 10:16 PM

FILLYGIRL

Operative: "Its worse than you know..." Mal: "It usually is."


Could I suggest that the moderator do more deleting of questionable threads? Maybe (and I understand that its a BIG maybe,) if the thread disappears then the poster will get the hint that they were out of line with their comments. I have read several threads in this last week that I found disturbing,....and wondered why they were left for others to read. There will always be people on the board that are unaware of how rude the're being,...they think they are so clever...the last time I checked it wasn't about being clever,...it's about be friendly and open to discussion. This very reason is why I don't post much,...I don't want to insult any one, or hurt their feelings.

That's just MHO....Thank You for letting me express it

...it's worst than you know...Operative
...it usually is.....Mal

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Saturday, March 4, 2006 10:33 PM

SIGMANUNKI


Quote:
Originally posted by fillygirl:

Could I suggest that the moderator do more deleting of questionable threads?



To modify this a little bit. How about provide a lock for the threads. That way a moderator can make a post regarding why the thread was locked and then lock it. The thread would then serve as an example of what not to do as well as an example that they are starting to crack down on disrespectful people.


Quote:
Originally posted by fillygirl:

This very reason is why I don't post much,...I don't want to insult any one, or hurt their feelings.



If all your posts are like this one, I really don't think you have to worry

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"We're in a giant car heading into a brick wall at 100 miles/hr and everybody's arguing about where they want to sit."
-David Suzuki

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Saturday, March 4, 2006 10:45 PM

FILLYGIRL

Operative: "Its worse than you know..." Mal: "It usually is."


I didn't know that a lock could be placed on a thread,... Thanks for the information! and 'Thanks' for your kind comments. This thing happens on other boards, and its not always handled so well.

...it's worst than you know...Operative
...it usually is.....Mal

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Saturday, March 4, 2006 10:46 PM

THEPISTONENGINE


Maybe so. I know I've touched a few nerves, and I don't apologize for that. I know I've been especially harsh in the adjacent thread on Wiccans, and down right insulting. But, however, I do feel I've followed the principles I asked of others:

1) I am fully aware of what I am saying.
2) I accept the responsibility of my words, and that they have consequences.
3) I realized the potential for disagreement (It doesn't have to be explicitly stated, but I did so anyways)
4) I never apologized in advance for something, I was fully sincere in everything I said.
5) I have, in previous threads, apologized for misinterpretations and misrepresentations of others comments. I too make mistakes.
6) I have backed up what I have said. You may disagree with my reasoning, but I think you'll find it is quite extensive.
7) And, in the many cases I've lost my temper, I've still responded with logical arguments. True, my comments in the adjacent thread are quickly becoming snide, but there is still much logic behind the angry and insulting remarks.

So, perhaps I'm not so much of a hypocrite.


Quote:
Originally posted by ChrisMoorhead:
Well if this aint the pot callin the kettle black...

Have you ever:
Used your teeth as wire strippers?
Given yourself stitches?
Made improvised munitions with no base supplies?
Pissed in a canteen?
Gone a month without bathing?

If so, you MIGHT just be a !HOOAH MOTHERF*CKER!


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Carry the Nuttin'

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Saturday, March 4, 2006 11:04 PM

CHRISMOORHEAD


I honestly don't see any reason to "reel it in", but then, I'm not as active on this board as others. See, me and another guy got into a very very small thing which was eventually perceived as me "picking" on him. As of yet I had not said anything directly insulting to the indevidual, but then someone comes along and starts hurling insults and names at me. Now, this COULD have turned ugly, but I chose just not to respond to him, as the original exchange was specifically between myself and the first guy, who himself had seemingly chose not to respond to me.

See, in my opinion, the person who comes on here and says "I hate black people" is not the problem. It's the 189 people who respond "Ur a racist cunt fuck you u r gay!" that are the problem. I don't see any reason why a person's opinion shouldn't be their freedom to express as long as it's not directly insulting, ex, "You're a shithead".

Why do we need a post encouraging people to do what they've been doing already, especially from someone who's not doing it? Although I've certainly paid for it in the past, I generally try and assume that all people I meet are capable of managing themselves.

Have you ever:
Used your teeth as wire strippers?
Given yourself stitches?
Made improvised munitions with no base supplies?
Pissed in a canteen?
Gone a month without bathing?

If so, you MIGHT just be a !HOOAH MOTHERF*CKER!

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Saturday, March 4, 2006 11:16 PM

THEPISTONENGINE


I'd like to know exactly why you feel I don't adhere to my own ideas.

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Saturday, March 4, 2006 11:26 PM

SIGMANUNKI


Quote:
Originally posted by fillygirl:

I didn't know that a lock could be placed on a thread,... Thanks for the information!



Well to be truthful, I don't know if it's possible here. But, it certainly could be programed in fairly easily if needed if it hasn't been already. Just mentioned it because I've seen it done elsewhere.


Quote:
Originally posted by fillygirl:

and 'Thanks' for your kind comments.



I call 'em as I see 'em


Quote:
Originally posted by fillygirl:

This thing happens on other boards, and its not always handled so well.



I remember a few months back someone (won't say who) here completely freaked out. That thread was a mess.

It was quietly handled by a mod. Not sure what exactly happened, but I haven't seen that person much (or at all) since then.

In all my two years here, that is the /only/ time that its happened. At least that I know of. So, I really think that people here are a different sort.

That being said... Crap, I'm starting to get too tired to be able to form my thoughts properly.

Sorry, the rest of the post will have to wait *sigh* I'm getting old

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"We're in a giant car heading into a brick wall at 100 miles/hr and everybody's arguing about where they want to sit."
-David Suzuki

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Saturday, March 4, 2006 11:38 PM

SIGMANUNKI


Quote:
Originally posted by ChrisMoorhead:

Now, this COULD have turned ugly, but I chose just not to respond to him, as the original exchange was specifically between myself and the first guy, who himself had seemingly chose not to respond to me.



I whole heartedly agree with your decision.


Quote:
Originally posted by ChrisMoorhead:

See, in my opinion, the person who comes on here and says "I hate black people" is not the problem. It's the 189 people who respond "Ur a racist cunt fuck you u r gay!" that are the problem.



Personally I think that all the parties that you listed are the problem.


Quote:
Originally posted by ChrisMoorhead:

Why do we need a post encouraging people to do what they've been doing already



IMO people should respond to the trolls. But as seen with BB in the Wiccan thread, people are not just leaving it alone. So, the way I see it, people are not doing what they should. Thus the post encouraging them to do something.


Crap. I thought I got another wind and there it sets in again...

See you all tomorow.

----
"We're in a giant car heading into a brick wall at 100 miles/hr and everybody's arguing about where they want to sit."
-David Suzuki

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Saturday, March 4, 2006 11:42 PM

CHRISMOORHEAD


Uh-huh, I pulled a stupid and confused you for someone else because your posts were right next to his and the incident in question happened a few weeks back, either before my surgery or while I was on heavy pain killers.

I hope you'll accept my apology and leave it at me being a dumbass, and you being a spiffy gentleman with a very fine hat.

Have you ever:
Used your teeth as wire strippers?
Given yourself stitches?
Made improvised munitions with no base supplies?
Pissed in a canteen?
Gone a month without bathing?

If so, you MIGHT just be a !HOOAH MOTHERF*CKER!

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Saturday, March 4, 2006 11:48 PM

THEPISTONENGINE


See, now that was well placed humor. Either that or I'm really tired. Anyways, I'd say no apology needed, but that'd contradict what I already said.
We all have our dumbass moments. As I said before I've had to restate myself twice already in the aformentioned thread because I misrepresented what someone else actually said.
And for the record, I hate !HOOAH MOTHERF*CKERS! Go Navy, Beat Army.

EDIT--BTW, why would you ever need to piss in a canteen?
Quote:
Originally posted by ChrisMoorhead:
Uh-huh, I pulled a stupid and confused you for someone else because your posts were right next to his and the incident in question happened a few weeks back, either before my surgery or while I was on heavy pain killers.

I hope you'll accept my apology and leave it at me being a dumbass, and you being a spiffy gentleman with a very fine hat. For the racord, I think Wiccans are douchebags, and I hate goths for stealing the color black. That color belongs to rough and tumble manly men like Johnny Cash, not pasty white freaks with whip fettishes.

Again, nothing directly insulting.

Have you ever:
Used your teeth as wire strippers?
Given yourself stitches?
Made improvised munitions with no base supplies?
Pissed in a canteen?
Gone a month without bathing?

If so, you MIGHT just be a !HOOAH MOTHERF*CKER!


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Carry the Nuttin'

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Saturday, March 4, 2006 11:55 PM

CHRISMOORHEAD


http://army.scout.com/2/492492.html !Snap!

Why piss in a canteen? "It's the smell"

Have you ever:
Used your teeth as wire strippers?
Given yourself stitches?
Made improvised munitions with no base supplies?
Pissed in a canteen?
Gone a month without bathing?

If so, you MIGHT just be a !HOOAH MOTHERF*CKER!

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Saturday, March 4, 2006 11:58 PM

THEPISTONENGINE


Yeah, and we returned the favor a couple of weeks ago. Tell me when you beat us on the way to a bowl game. To any jarheads out there: The only real Marine is a Submarine. Now I'm using those lungs I have to move at a strenuous but sustainable pace away from any Army Rangers or infantry Marines.

Quote:
Originally posted by ChrisMoorhead:
http://army.scout.com/2/492492.html !Snap!

Why piss in a canteen? "It's the smell"

Have you ever:
Used your teeth as wire strippers?
Given yourself stitches?
Made improvised munitions with no base supplies?
Pissed in a canteen?
Gone a month without bathing?

If so, you MIGHT just be a !HOOAH MOTHERF*CKER!


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Carry the Nuttin'

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Sunday, March 5, 2006 12:06 AM

CHRISMOORHEAD


yeah, sorry all of our talent is getting shot up in the middle east right now while you guys practice playing with your balls.

You know what they say about Submarines, right? 200 men go down, 100 couples come up...

Have you ever:
Used your teeth as wire strippers?
Given yourself stitches?
Made improvised munitions with no base supplies?
Pissed in a canteen?
Gone a month without bathing?

If so, you MIGHT just be a !HOOAH MOTHERF*CKER!

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Sunday, March 5, 2006 12:28 AM

THEPISTONENGINE


Oh, you don't really want to go there do you? You KNOW I just might mention what some airborne soldiers... nah, I'm not that mean.

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Sunday, March 5, 2006 12:41 AM

CHRISMOORHEAD


They were just practicing mouth to dick resuscitation. You gotta be prepared.

Have you ever:
Used your teeth as wire strippers?
Given yourself stitches?
Made improvised munitions with no base supplies?
Pissed in a canteen?
Gone a month without bathing?

If so, you MIGHT just be a !HOOAH MOTHERF*CKER!

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Sunday, March 5, 2006 4:51 AM

DONCOAT


You know, I'm just old enough to remember when this thread was about being nice to each other, rather than interservice rivalry...

*picks up his cane and wobbles off*

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I don't disagree on any particular point.

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Sunday, March 5, 2006 6:17 AM

KIZYR


Quote:
Originally posted by DonCoat:
You know, I'm just old enough to remember when this thread was about being nice to each other, rather than interservice rivalry...


I think the interservice rivalry is tongue-in-cheek.
I actually find it kinna amusing.

Anywho, I wish that the locking of some threads that get out of hand wasn't necessary, as it's almost invariably the result of one person who can do nothing but egg other people on. KF


~KF

Lord, I'm walking your way. Let me in, for my feet are sore, my clothes are ragged.
Look in my eyes, Lord, and my sins will play out on them as on a screen. Read them all.
Forgive what you can and send me on my path. I will walk on until you bid me rest.
~Haven Prayer

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Sunday, March 5, 2006 8:07 AM

THEPISTONENGINE


It is tongue in cheek. Just an honest exchange of insults between folk :-D

Quote:
Originally posted by Kizyr:
Quote:
Originally posted by DonCoat:
You know, I'm just old enough to remember when this thread was about being nice to each other, rather than interservice rivalry...


I think the interservice rivalry is tongue-in-cheek.
I actually find it kinna amusing.

Anywho, I wish that the locking of some threads that get out of hand wasn't necessary, as it's almost invariably the result of one person who can do nothing but egg other people on. KF


~KF

Lord, I'm walking your way. Let me in, for my feet are sore, my clothes are ragged.
Look in my eyes, Lord, and my sins will play out on them as on a screen. Read them all.
Forgive what you can and send me on my path. I will walk on until you bid me rest.
~Haven Prayer


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Sunday, March 5, 2006 9:07 AM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


I recommend thumbscans to censor all operatives of the Alliance. If that don't work, just shoot 'em.

"Every day's a negotiation and sometimes it's done with guns."
-Joss the Boss

FIREFLY SERENITY PILOT MUSIC VIDEO:
http://radio.indymedia.org/news/2006/01/8310.php
(how to deal with Alliance scumbags)

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Sunday, March 5, 2006 10:30 AM

SAMEERTIA


I'm with TPE on this one.

Yes, I rarely agree with his opinions and sometimes find them rude and insulting, but I don't dive in and behave rudely or in an insulting manner right back.

There's nothing wrong with accepting everyone on this board as part of our Browncoat family and treating them with respect and courtesy, even if sometimes they don't have the courage to do the same.

Insults just create more insults. And adults or not (we have quite a few younger members, yo) we all should have learned basic courtesy in kindergarten and know how to apply that in social circumstances.

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