Miranda: Spoilers if you haven't seen the movie by EvilDinosaur

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Miranda: Spoilers if you haven't seen the movie

POSTED BY: EVILDINOSAUR
UPDATED: Friday, March 17, 2006 16:52
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Thursday, March 16, 2006 12:22 PM

So, it's my understanding that Miranda is a rim planet, if that's not the case just skip the rest of this post and tell me so

So if Miranda is a rim planet, why is there so much technology there? Most rim planets we saw in the show were very old westish.

Miranda seemed to have a decent amount of technology about though, not as much as Ariel, but still, a good amount. It just didn't look like a rim planet.

Another thing that made me think, when River was having her dream, looking down into the screen at Miranda, my initial reaction was "omg, that's Earth" Just the way the planet looked, and the moon it had around it.

So my thought, is Miranda Earth? It seems quite impossible since the planets in the verse are all relatively close together, and our solar system is quite some distance from any other systems. But it's just something that's been sitting in the back of my mind, thought I'd share it.

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Thursday, March 16, 2006 12:36 PM

COPILOT

I though I had a answer but turns out I got nada.

An I carried such a torch

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Thursday, March 16, 2006 1:00 PM

DARKJESTER

I'm not really sure I have this right, but I just sort of assumed that the "Central Planets" referred to actual planets, while the "Border Worlds" (or moons) refers to the moons around the planets. The planets would have needed little or no terraforming, so would have been settled first, by those with money and/or power. The moons would have taken longer to make habitable, and would have had fewer resources allocated to them, thus the more "primitive" conditions.

So Miranda, even though it's the planet furthest out (or so it seemed) was still a "Central Planet" or "Core World" because it's an actual planet. That's my take on it, anyway.

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Thursday, March 16, 2006 1:02 PM

ARCADIA

Miranda is a rim planet. It's the planet furthest from the sun... perhaps it has a category all its own. You can find a good, speculative map here: http://www.fireflyfans.net/sunroomitem.asp?i=6320. The creator based it on the Serenity Roll Playing game and screen shots form the movie. It is my very favorite speculative Firefly map.

As for why it has so much technology... We don't offically know. I will speculate, though, that the reason they seem so much more like a core planet is because the alliance created Miranda. They were always planning on releasing Pax there, so they had a more vested interest in Miranda than the other Rim planets.

Also, the other rim and boarder planets were never part of the Alliance, and were therefore left to develope on there own before the war. People would immigrate to various planets to try their luck with nothing but clothes. None of these planets had the benefit of alliance involvement. Miranda clearly did.

And, since Earth was "used up", I assume if we ever saw it it would be a wasteland, so I very much doubt Miranda ia Earth.

This is just me speculating.

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Thursday, March 16, 2006 1:07 PM

SADLITTLEKING

I think the Alliance simply sent more resources to Miranda because of their experiments there. They planned on using the population as guinea pigs. Probably wanted to make them nice and comfy.

I don't think Miranda is Earth. If that was the case, they would've just called it Earth. Right?

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Thursday, March 16, 2006 2:59 PM

EVILDINOSAUR

Well my thought behind miranda being earth was that it was being covered up for some reason. the alliance wants everyone to believe the "earth got all used up story". Maybe I'm going a bit too conspiracy theory, I dunno lol.

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Thursday, March 16, 2006 3:01 PM

EVILDINOSAUR

oh yea, and the interest of the alliance because of the experiments is also a very valid explanation of the technology level. One I had not considered. thanks for the thoughts :)

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Thursday, March 16, 2006 3:03 PM

DONCOAT

Miranda isn't Earth, that much is clear. But in fact, any planet that's "open air" habitable by human beings is going to look a lot like Earth.

The fact is, we terrans need a specific set of environmental conditions -- a certain narrow range of temperatures, a specific combination of atmospheric gasses, and lots of liquid water being the most important.

And lots of mudder's milk, of course.

Any planet that meets these requirements is going to look pretty similar to Earth. And a world that doesn't is going to mean that its inhabitants will need lots of protection, if they can survive there at all.

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Friday, March 17, 2006 5:48 AM

ZZETTA13

Hey Sadlittleking,

guess it could also be said that the alliance wanted to make them "Mice and comfy"

IMO the alliance wanted to make Miranda a testing ground all along therefore do the testing on a rim planet. Easier to cover up if something goes wrong. Can't have Draculas castile in the middle of town can we?

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Friday, March 17, 2006 7:11 AM

TOWELIE

Look at Miranda, its so shiny and nice. The smooth buildings and general perfectness of it all seem to scream 'Utopia' to me. Add in the factor of the Pax and I'd go along with the Alliance attempting to make a perfect, peaceful society, their ultimate goal.

Course, as with everything to do with the Alliance they went about it the wrong way. This was the most extreme example of state-control, using a crappy un-terraformed rim planet as a perfect society. 1984 anyone?

Independents all the way.

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Friday, March 17, 2006 7:44 AM

ISAACSHEPHERD

I agree that Miranda was put on the rim for experiment purposes. The question is did the Alliance know that there would be an adverse reaction to the Pax? I may be giving them too much credit but I think it's possible. Their fault would be assuming that they could control that many people.

If they didn't know then I think they were just toying around trying to create the perfect people. Once they learned that some turned aggressive they decided to make the best of their catastrophe and use their findings to make the perfect soldier.

As for Miranda being Earth that was I can't really support that theory. Although the reason for leaving was most likely different from the main stream story started by the Alliance. Perhaps Alliance wanted more and more control/power, nuclear war was about to break out or resources were used up. Either way, I think they were the cause for leaving either accidental screw up or something very purposeful.
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Friday, March 17, 2006 11:49 AM

WHOME

Miranda was a special project, in which the Alliance had a special interest, so they got lots of supplies and resources.
Think of the American old west- anywhere the government was pushing to settle people (say, along intended rail lines, or good farmland, or land recetly stolen from the Indians) got government help. Any settlers who just went off on their own got squat.

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Friday, March 17, 2006 1:12 PM

MATTCOZ

Miranda? Earth? Do you think they moved the entire planet to this new system?

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Friday, March 17, 2006 4:52 PM

SADLITTLEKING

Quote:
Originally posted by zzetta13:
Hey Sadlittleking,

guess it could also be said that the alliance wanted to make them "Mice and comfy"

LOL

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