BSG Season 2 finale.. by Calhoun

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BSG Season 2 finale..

POSTED BY: CALHOUN
UPDATED: Monday, March 20, 2006 00:56
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Tuesday, March 14, 2006 9:50 AM

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AURaptor wrote:
Tuesday, March 14, 2006 09:03

Not only didn't I care for the simplistic voter fraud scenario ( oh, we switched the ballot boxes ? No worries, no investigation , Baltar, you're the President. ), I also didn't care for the whole Peace in our time turn of events. After what they went though, to just accept the Cylon's change of heart at face value? No frackin' way!

The voter fraud scenario was another of my pet peaves too..

I think were past the spoiler protection now.

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Tuesday, March 14, 2006 9:53 AM

IVY

Just finally got to watch both season finale episodes last night. I thought it was good, but not great. (I LOVED Cobal's Last Gleaming, if for nothing other than the amazing music!)

1) Let's get back to Adama's wedding ring. Has he always worn one. Wasn't his wife killed during the invasion? I agree that I want his interaction with Laura back. They are really wonderful acting with each other.

2) I'm personally convinced that fat Lee and hippie-hair Starbuck will both be fixed next season. Lee will have to get fit again to lead his ship into combat and Starbuck will have to form some sort of underground resistance or something. I think it was an un-subtle attempt to show how far they have strayed from where they were. (And the makeup job on Lee was terrible). I suspect Adama will also loose the cheesy mustache.

3) Chief will be the next president, al la Lech Walesa. Maybe Laura will be an advisor.

4) Where is Sharon and what's up with that baby in the creepy crib (from the dream sequence in Cobal's Last Gleeming?). Do the Cylons know that kid is there?

5) The big jump that they skipped that I want to know more about is how "our" 6 and 8 convinced the entire Cylon empire (for lack of a better term) to change their outlook on humans. And why did 6 say "Judgment Day" if she is so warm and fuzzy about humanity? I'm very perplexed.

6) I don't think Baltar is evil, he is just weak and narcissistic. I thought it was a dream sequence also, at least in the beginning. But I agree that it's real. The show was getting stale in plot and they needed something new. I really think his breakdown into a terrible president is because he totally gave up when the other 6 killed herself. He wanted to be president to be with her...at least that is my take on it. I suspect that his original 6 is going to seriously kick his ass.

OK - that's enough for now. I'm gonna watch it again tonight and see if I pick up anything else interesting.

Ivy

I've been sane a long while now, and change is good...

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Tuesday, March 14, 2006 9:57 AM

CALHOUN

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Dataless wrote:
Tuesday, March 14, 2006 09:39

I don't think you would even have to think about the Cylons change of heart. Baltar made the Promise to settle on New Caprica before the Cylons told them that they were changing their hearts. The people just thought that world was a safe place to stay. It's just an non-issue for the people of twelve colonies. What would you do?

How much weight do you think Baltars promise should carry with Adama given that Adama now knows about Baltars cylon involvement?

If I lived in a civilization of (12 planets?) and the cylons came in and exterminated billions and billions of people leaving 50 thousand or so I would never ever trust them and I would never want to stop running.. best stay on the move.

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Tuesday, March 14, 2006 6:09 PM

DATALESS

I think you are right, look at what happened, but when the best minds tell you that this planet is the safest possible planet around. That you can live a normal life and not have to worry about a attack happening again. Then month after month when there are no attacks you actually begin to feel safe. Even more months go by so many months that the last attack hapened so long ago that the amount of time you were on the run (nine months) passes without incdent. If you were one of the hold outs (Roslin and the Adamas) you would start to think Baltar was right and five more months go by and nothing happens. I doubt anyone would think the Cylon had a change of heart, Roslin didn't believe them. If she did she wouldn't airlocked the Cylons that told about the change of heart. I was just the Safest place. My other thought is, Why not stay on New Caprica when the Cylons are follwing us and when we arrive on Earth and the Cylons go there and kill all of humanity because the people can Defend themselves from the Cylons, when we the people of the 12 colonies couldn't protect our selves from the Cylons.

The people were told that the Cylons will not find us here. That they can't use Dreadus to detect us. That unless they knew there was a planet in the the nebula. That there is no way the Cylons could find New Caprica and they would have been right if not for the nuclear explosion they would never have been found untill the nebula dissapated or you left the nebula. So, would you will want to run when every thing and tells you not to (plus most of the Fleet wants to go to New Caprica)?

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Tuesday, March 14, 2006 6:36 PM

GINOBIFFARONI

Remember the mini series......

The nebula the weapons depot they stopped to load up had a rather strange long term effect on the cylon there

I wonder if this nebula might have a similar effect.....

" Over and in, last call for sin
While everyone's lost, the battle is won
With all these things that I've done "

The Killers

http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/killers/allthesethingsthativedone.html

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Tuesday, March 14, 2006 10:47 PM

CALHOUN

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GinoBiffaroni wrote:
Tuesday, March 14, 2006 18:36
Remember the mini series......

The nebula the weapons depot they stopped to load up had a rather strange long term effect on the cylon there

I wonder if this nebula might have a similar effect.....

Good point.

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Wednesday, March 15, 2006 10:51 AM

DATALESS

I think if it does the Cylons will force all the humans off that world at gun point. As in if they don't move they will kill all the humans.

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Wednesday, March 15, 2006 11:30 AM

GINOBIFFARONI

Or they will start to act irrationally, become more human as it were.....

" Over and in, last call for sin
While everyone's lost, the battle is won
With all these things that I've done "

The Killers

http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/killers/allthesethingsthativedone.html

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Wednesday, March 15, 2006 12:49 PM

DANFAN

My thoughts on the season finale:

1) They have clearly set up an Occupied France scenario. Cylon occupiers (Nazies), a collaborating Baltar administration (the Vichy government), and a Starbuck-led underground (the Resistance). I REALLY hope that they don't just fall into following that template out of laziness. I am hopeful that they won't... they've incorporated other social templates (prisoner torture, abortion debate, faith-led government, et. al.) without letting the template become the story sans creativity.

2) The story is over. The fleet is in disrepair, low on supplies, and manned by a skeleton crew. They pose little to no threat to the occupying Cylon fleet. The human settlement is operating at a technological level several centuries behind the occupying Cylon forces. If they become too effective at resisting, they can just be "culled" up to and including wiping them out. The humans lost. They are defeated...

... So what kind of rabbit do the writers have in their hat to stand the humans back up and re-inject drama into the struggle? I don't think they would put themselves into a corner that they couldn't get out of. How are they gonna do move the story forward? Should be interesting

3) The story has always been about finding Earth. I am fairly certain that they will get back to that. Feels too early in the series to have them find Earth to help liberate New Caprica. So I'd guess that they will find Earth sometime later. This means they have to liberate New Caprica on their own. Whatever trick they have up their sleeve to get the story back on track, I doubt if it involves Earth. If they just abandon the whole "find Earth" theme and base the rest of the series on the occupation (a la "V"), then that will be such a let down.

4) What is the endgame? Again, if they never find Earth and solve their problems with the Cylons on their own, then the whole Earth theme was a decoy. That will be a letdown. If they do find Earth, what Earth do they find? Today's Earth? That will be useless to them. We would be nothing but cannon fodder to the Cylons. Will they find a future Earth with sufficient technology to be of assistance in the human's struggle against the Cylons? Or will the Colonials and the Cylons resolve their differences, form some kind of Alliance (forgive the word!), and then find Earth and set about providing us a leg up to where they are?

There. Done for now.

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Wednesday, March 15, 2006 1:11 PM

CARTOON

My final response to the show was -- "SIX STINKING MONTHS?!?!?"

Was bad enough (back in the day) when one had to wait three months for the new seasons to start -- when seasons were actually 26 episodes long, and ran from Labor Day to late May or early June (with some weeks off during the season for pre-emptive type things or the ocassional re-run).

Now they give us a (how many was it?) season that's barely long enough to run the opening credits, then they take a SIX MONTH BREAK?!?!

Someone ought to let these bozos in Hollywood know they can't mess with us like this.

Last time I was so irritated over such a stunt (the last time baseball went on strike about 16 years ago), I stopped watching it (baseball) altogether.

The producers, the Sci-Fi Network, or whoever better get their act together. No show is worth waiting SIX MONTHS to see the conclusion of a cliff-hanger.

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Wednesday, March 15, 2006 8:07 PM

CLEANER

After whats been happening with Scifi shows (Firefly and Carnivale the top 2 in my list) you should be thankful that there will be a 3rd season.

"If wishes were horses we'd all be eating steak!!!"

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Monday, March 20, 2006 12:56 AM

CALHOUN

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Cleaner wrote:
Wednesday, March 15, 2006 20:07
After whats been happening with Scifi shows (Firefly and Carnivale the top 2 in my list) you should be thankful that there will be a 3rd season.

I've never seen Carnivale except briefly whilst flicking through the channels, it didnt look like sci fi to me. Should I check it out?

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