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Originally posted by christhecynic:
Thanks to all for saying your thoughts, I've been planning on seeing it but have been let down my so many movies recently that I wasn't sure if it was a good idea.

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Originally posted by JubelLate:
we call this "post-Serenity" syndrome

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Originally posted by christhecynic:
Thanks to all for saying your thoughts, I've been planning on seeing it but have been let down my so many movies recently that I wasn't sure if it was a good idea.

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Don’t waste your money. Read the comic instead. It will cost about 20($/₤) but that’s not really anymore then you’d spend on the movie and it is a much better, more mature and enjoyable story, in my opinion.

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Originally posted by christhecynic:
I can't speak for this movie in particular but I stand by what I said, never judge one based on the other.

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Originally posted by Spiritwolf:
I recently went and saw Beowilf and Grendal.... I didnt mind the movie but I have to complain about this some where. The acting was good, the story was worth a myth, however I had a hard time getting over the fact that the Norsemen were riding ponies to war. I really had a hard time with that. It just didn't look right. It wasn't cool.

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Originally posted by SadLittleKing:
Natalie Portman was a strong yet unbelievably cute female lead.

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Originally posted by Kayna:
And CTC, I get what you're saying about comparing movies and books. I read The Queen of the Damned years before the movie came out and when I went to see it all I could do was scream in my head. "NO this wrong, all wrong! What is that?!? What is going on here?!?!". I saw it with several friends who had never read the related books and thought that it was a decent type of Vampire flik. I thought it was horrible. To this day, I can't make any kind of judgement on it without getting upset.

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Originally posted by zoid:
I saw the movie today with my 12- and 16-year-old children. It's rated 'R', but it's hard to see why. One presumes violence (though by no means gratuitous or gory), language (they say, 'bollocks' 2 or 3 times and drop the 'F-bomb' precisely twice), and brief nudity (unclothed dead bodies, no sex scenes).

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If you think gay people are defective and don't deserve to live, you will probably find yourself on the wrong side of the moral war in this movie. Ultra-Conservative Christians definitely want to give this one a miss. ...Unless you have an open mind; but then you wouldn't be an 'Ultra-Conservative Christian', would you?

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Originally posted by Orpheus:
In response, I offer my review. I'm not official at all, but I like to think I am.

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/vine/journal_view.php?journalid=197686&e
ntryid=304910&view=public

Long story short, I loved it.

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Originally posted by zoid:
From the 'For What It's Worth' department:

I saw the movie today with my 12- and 16-year-old children. It's rated 'R', but it's hard to see why. One presumes violence (though by no means gratuitous or gory), language (they say, 'bollocks' 2 or 3 times and drop the 'F-bomb' precisely twice), and brief nudity (unclothed dead bodies, no sex scenes).

For those who see only the surface of things:
This is an action-y computer-effects movie, that you will probably enjoy, if the philosophical bits don't bore you too badly.

For those with a deeper ken:
This is a great film. It strives to predict what the world may be like in the next decade or so, and succeeds admirably. But more than that, I believe it is the true successor to "The Matrix". "Reloaded" and "Revolutions" were not, in my opinion; they lacked the essential subtext that infused the original.

That subtext was, in specific, that challenging the appearances of one's life could lead to a profound change within oneself. Sometimes, stepping out of the box of 'approved thought' can leave a person in a vast wilderness. But is the Truth worth the pain, worth the separation from the rest of the 'somnambulant public', worth the separation from the creature comforts of a life lived in societal conformity?

Since "V for Vendetta" resonates with these same questions, these same existential undertones, it is a worthier companion piece to "The Matrix" than its sequels ever were. In "V", the 'black bag' of lies pulled over everyone's eyes is a societal one, rather than one that's AI-generated; but, the parallel is unmistakable. In fact, I believe "V" has given me fresh insights on "The Matrix", which I will be rewatching tonight.

If you are a deep-thinking person -- and especially if you liked "The Matrix" for its subtextual content -- you should do yourself the favor of seeing "V For Vendetta" in a theatre. It is money well-spent. If you are a person who enjoys letting pretty pictures play across your eyeballs, you might still enjoy this film; but, I think there may not be enough explosions or wire-fu to make this a completely compelling film. You may grow sleepy.


Glowingly,

zoid

P.S.
The entire cast does a wonderful job. I most strongly identified with Stephen Rea's police inspector character.

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If you think gay people are defective and don't deserve to live, you will probably find yourself on the wrong side of the moral war in this movie. Ultra-Conservative Christians definitely want to give this one a miss. ...Unless you have an open mind; but then you wouldn't be an 'Ultra-Conservative Christian', would you?

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Stephen Rea, listing the war record of one of V's murder victims (paraphrased): "Served in Afghanistan, Iraq, Kurdistan, Syria -- before and after."

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...This film is a bit of a wake-up call for the many Americans who don't think their vote makes a difference. A ruler can only rule when he has a majority of the people behind him, whether out of fear or love. If the ruler commits a crime, the people need to stand up and say so. That said, it's not that easy to do, as we've seen in the past.

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And CTC, I get what you're saying about comparing movies and books. I read The Queen of the Damned years before the movie came out and when I went to see it all I could do was scream in my head. "NO this wrong, all wrong! What is that?!? What is going on here?!?!". I saw it with several friends who had never read the related books and thought that it was a decent type of Vampire flik. I thought it was horrible. To this day, I can't make any kind of judgement on it without getting upset.

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Well put, Zoid. This film is a bit of a wake-up call for the many Americans who don't think their vote makes a difference. A ruler can only rule when he has a majority of the people behind him, whether out of fear or love. If the ruler commits a crime, the people need to stand up and say so. That said, it's not that easy to do, as we've seen in the past.

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Originally posted by ray53208:
i LOVED v for vendetta. its as if someone took a little piece of my heart and then gave it back to me as a beautifully crafted gift.

i loved it that much.

moore as a standard practice always divorces himself from the movie versions of what he has written. league of underwhelming gentleposuers made that a neccessary act.

after reading the graphic novel i feel that the movie is faithful to it. to me it represents an evolution and a refinment of the idea to a new medium.

ray


“With the first link the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, changes us all irrevokably. The first time any man’s freedom is trodden on, we are all damaged."

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Zoid,
I realize that not your entire post was directed at me, and I'll try to treat it as such. I do want to clarify, though, that I agree with you - V for Vendetta is a warning against dictatorships, and I don't think the US is a dictatorship. However, I do believe that citizens have a duty to their country, whether that country is led by a dictator or not. And that's what I meant to say with my "political speech," not that US citizens should vote for my party, but that they should make their voices heard. And for the record, I vote libertarian. Unless that's another side of your wooden nickel, you might want to rethink your references to my "party's current propaganda campaign." The only "thinly veiled reference" I was making was to the excessive power invested in the executive branch, regardless of which party holds that seat.

Phew, got that off my chest. Thank you, Zoid, for the kind comment in your postscript. I can genuinely return it - I generally enjoy reading your posts. They are pithy, insightful, often ironic, and always intelligent. I'm sorry if my original vagueness led us to misunderstand each other - that was really just laziness on my part.

Julia

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Arggh!! I'm a huge Gerry Butler fan and I really what to see that but it's not released in the US. It's in Canada.

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Originally posted by Cybersnark:
I liked V (and loved his playfully alliterative introduction --I wonder how many takes that was).

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Originally posted by zoid:
Groovy.

Send me a link to the Libertarian website you most often habituate. You may get a convert.


v/r,
-zed

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Originally posted by JubelLate:
In my opinion, it wasn't a bad movie, but the government was so cruel and singleminded that it wasn't believable to me, it was charactiture.

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Also, what V did to Evey was unforgivable, even though he thought it was necessary. I had a feeling it was a trick, but the lie of it all was counterproductive to the message IMO. I didn't like how Evey forgave him so easily.

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To me, the message of the movie was too over the top. Governmental evil like in Serenity is easy to believe because politicians are eager to keep their hands clean and often use despicable methods justified by noble goals. In V, the politicians seemed drunk with power and antagonized anyone they saw fit. Too blunt, too unbelievable.

The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule. – H.L. Mencken

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Originally posted by gojiro:
I found it totally believable -- especially since that's almost exactly what Hitler did in the 30s. Which is why Chancellor Sutler looked so much like Hitler, I'd wager.

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Originally posted by zoid:
I'll be straight with you: I'm about ready to vote for a Looney Toons character, as long as they represent a genuine change. Anything to break up the 'GOB' network in D.C.

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