Quote:

---

Originally posted by PsychicRiver:
I think Joss was trying to make it pretty certain with the impaling.

PsychicRiver

"Two by two, hands of blue."
"We'll take care of each other. I'll knit!"
"I swallowed a bug."

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by fordaith:
I still say it was a dream....THE WHOLE GORRAM MOVIE WAS A DREAM!

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by 11thHour:
Wait... Buffy and Angel aren't believable?! WTH? I like totally bought into them. My disbelief happens to be suspended pretty darn high, and is held with steel cables...

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by 11thHour:
Oh, and River's ESP makes perfect sense to me. Though the terraforming is problematical. The added challenges of planet proximity/distance to the Sun, and all kinds of wacky gravitational variances based on mass aren't even addressed...

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by 11thHour:
Firefly/Serenity takes place 500 years from now... things that we would consider impossible now could be quite doable by then. Hey, our technology right now would be inconceivable to someone who lived in the 1500s.

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by pastorbadger:
Actually, the last exhalation means his trachea is still connected to his lungs. For a major pnemothorax, the air will bubble out through the wound. You're right. Major clue.

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by micjwelch:
Okay, I have to do it... Sorry...

"It's called a LANCE! Hello!"

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by pastorbadger:

I do this only because I clearly like to argue, and this thread is running out of steam. Also, it's a big word, and people argue with you more if you use big words. For example: Simon vs. Jayne. Who's more likely to GET an argument? (Even if you do go all...bendy.)

P.S. I will alternately support anyone proposing "fizgig".

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by pastorbadger:

(Alliance “to do” list for today: #1 Get the Tams. #2 Don’t get ‘et by reavers. #3 Kill reavers. #4 Did I leave the stove on at home?) ,

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by zzetta13:
KLAM, where is it that you work,cause I wanna work there.

---

Quote:

---

I hate to say it but your point is floored is O so many ways the fact they had Mr universe’s body and Shepard books (If you must know it was on the front of the ship) and the graves were all the same, and the way the feds work they wanted to kill the Tams so more of a shoot first and ask questions later

Bendas

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by emandbri:
First stage of grief is denial.

Emily

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by klam:

Quote:

---

Originally posted by pastorbadger:

(Alliance “to do” list for today: #1 Get the Tams. #2 Don’t get ‘et by reavers. #3 Kill reavers. #4 Did I leave the stove on at home?) ,

---

That might have been the Alliance "to do" list but once the Reaver arrived thru the ion cloud the top priority of getting the Tam's droped to #3. As I quote the Operative when the Reavers arrive "target the Reavers, target the Reavers! Target everyone. Somebody fire!" So survival became the number one priority for the Alliance at that time.

As for the ship that EMP'ed Serenity. It's a Reaver ship that used the EMP. I'm 100% sure because I took Serenity to work, watched, and paused it to confirm Reaver ship.

On DVD Chapter 15 1 hour 27 minutes 25 seconds: ship is shown on Serenity's tail. Pausing the DVD shows the ship has red colored markings on right wing.

On DVD Chapter 15 1 hour 27 minutes 33 seconds: Shows ship firing the EMP cannon. Again red colored marking on EMP cannon, right wing, and some other turrent mounted on ship

On DVD Chapter 15 1 hour 27 minutes 41-42 seconds: Again can see red colored markings on the ship.

It's clearly a Reaver piloted ship.

The Reavers landed first and the Alliance followed after they had taken care of the Reavers in space and reorganizing the "to do" list with the Tam's back at #1.

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by Guywhowantsafireflyofhisown:
I was crushed when washh was killed( I am a guy and I do lean towards womenfolk, but he was the crewmember that I identified with the most) I would love to believe wash is alive, so I will thanks for the hope PastorB

p.s. what happend to the fuzzy wuzzies?

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by 11thHour:
Hey, Spike was toasted to ashes and Joss brought him back with a necklace.

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by RocketJock:
And while the 'Verse's medical technology is admittedly far advanced over our own, the suggested combination of circumstances necessary to preserve Wash's life are so contrived as to require the use of an Infinite Improbability Drive.

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by Steamer:
Point of interest? As Serenity begins sneaking through the Reaver fleet toward Miranda, you can see the ship that eventually EMPs it coming to a halt. Watch the lower left corner of the screen for the ship stopping and thrusters darkening. It's identical to the ship that zaps Serenity after breaking atmo.

Sorry, gang - Reaver ship through and through. Rest in peace, Wash.

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by barnaby36:
The only way I see this thing working is if the Alliance folk who took care of Wash were the people who were on Mr. U's planet when he was dying. No Alliance craft landed planetside when Serenity did.

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by pastorbadger:


Wow. What tongue am I speaking in?

First and foremost, thank you Guywhowantsafireflyofhisown. People on this planet, in the real world, have lived for HOURS with similar and scarier wounds. But everyone here’s just sure Wash couldn’t. Not even the 20 minutes before brain damage sets in if he’s dead as a post. (No pun intended.)

Next, if your medical degree says Wash had to get help faster than that, the how about this? The operative has already come and gone on that planet. Ain’t a reason in the ‘verse he didn’t leave a unit behind. In fact, you’ve been at the mudder’s milk if you can think otherwise. Every military unit in the real world and yours carries a medic. Heck folks, if we’re going to grasp at the ridiculous in the face of common sense, let’s just look at the hundreds of other scenarios that let Wash live, instead of making up restrictions that force him to die.

And seriously, if you can tell for dead certain that the smoodge (sic) in that frame grab is reaver, more power to ya’. Still don’t matter. (Points for tenacity, though.)

And the worst? You say “No Alliance craft landed planetside when Serenity did.” Just because the camera didn’t follow it, and because you didn’t see it, don’t make it true! The could have landed just outside your 16:9 view of the world, or during the commercial break. They were likely already there. (“Suppose we should we attack those reavers landing?” “You got orders I don’t know about? Shut up and be quiet.”)

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by DarthVegas:
This is EXACTLY what I thought of to keep hope alive when I saw the movie.

Great minds think alike, and since the chances of a sequal being slim to none, (SOB!) in the second series in my own little head, this is what happened and he and Zoe are back together with the BDH, still 'flyin.

This being the same network in my head that Joel never left Cicely, Alaska and Arrested Develpment is still on.

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by Eso:
[qoute]
"Youre gunna rope em together, five or six right across the nose of the ship. Put Book front and center, he's our friend we should honor him"

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by RocketJock:

Quote:

---

Originally posted by 11thHour:
Hey, Spike was toasted to ashes and Joss brought him back with a necklace.

---

Sorry, but The 'Verse is not the Buffyverse. River's psychic abilities aside, the 'Verse does not work by magic. And while the 'Verse's medical technology is admittedly far advanced over our own, the suggested combination of circumstances necessary to preserve Wash's life are so contrived as to require the use of an Infinite Improbability Drive.

---

Quote:

---

I'm beginning to think that if Joss had shown us Wash being dismembered and eaten by Reavers, some folk would still be trying to think of a way to bring him back.

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by Kizyr:
Hold on. We're operating under different senses of the word 'believable'. The characterization and acting are completely believable, which is why both series are really good; I was referring only to the background setting.

...unless you really do believe there are vampires afoot. Then we'll just have to diverge on this subject.

---

Quote:

---

Well, a lot of that is handled simply by the development of artificial gravity. Most of the advances we see in Firefly couldn't've happened without it: terraforming, inertial dampeners, hovercrafts, etc. But, like you, I'll willingly not pry too much into the nitty-gritty of it, 'cause relateability is a lot more important than absolute realism.

---

Quote:

---

'Sides which, if I start asking Joss science questions, I'm gonna make him cry.

---

Quote:

---

Well it's a lot more than that... Educated folks even in the 1500s could still find a lot of the things we have right now conceivable, and there are plenty of things firmly within the realm of believability on a 500-year time frame--among them, fusion power and artificial gravity.

---

Quote:

---

The specific example here, though, is with bringing back someone from the dead. We've already redefined what 'death' is in the last century alone. It's not when you stop breathing; it's not when your heart quits; and it's not when your brain quits, even. So I'm sure there'll be a narrowing of the gap between complete death and our standing definition of death within the next few centuries... but for that gap to be 30-minutes or more?

---

Quote:

---

I'm gonna wager that both of us would want the same thing, though... It'd be great if Wash came back in a way that seemed plausible, and not cheap. And while I can't think of a way to make it happen, I wouldn't put it past Joss Whedon or Tim Minear to come up with a way.

---

Quote:

---

Now if sometime down the line Joss or Tim wanna kill 'im again, well, I won't especially like it, but at least we got some more time with that character.

Quote:

---

Originally posted by pastorbadger:
Actually, the last exhalation means his trachea is still connected to his lungs. For a major pnemothorax, the air will bubble out through the wound. You're right. Major clue.

---

If I wanted medical jargon, I'd talk to a doctor. KF

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by Leebo:
Y'all are forgetting Reavers don't eat dead bodies. Recall in the very beginning of the movie Mal shoots the guy two reavers are holding and they throw the dead man down in disgust. Mal just denied them their meal in that case, so there's no reason for the reavers to chew on Wash or Mr. Universe post mortem.

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by FlipDog:
When in doubt, read the script before the cuts in the film.

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by 11thHour:
Artificial gravity is fine and dandy for ships and such... but applying this to an entire planet or moon? Just seems highly doubtful. The power consumption would be enormous, even superdupergiganimous ("really really big" in Future Talk). Plus, if the mechanism that drives the artificial gravity ever konked out, you'd have a planet wide disaster.

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by 11thHour:
Yeah, how 'bout them two guys in the 1500s who believed in advanced technology! They were cool. Meanwhile, 99.99999999% of the population was changing the straw on the floor in their house once every year or so, left their excrement in jars outside their homes, and looked at goose entrails to divine the future...

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by 11thHour:
Anyhoo, it is true that presently "death" has more to do with the amount of time the brain is denied physical support. But who knows? In the future a way could be developed that can revive brain cells. The Alliance obviously has been doing all kinds of experiments with brains... so all sorts of advances could have been made with brain sciences.

---

Quote:

---

You do realize that sometimes the movie is changed after the script is written, right?

---