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To be or Not to Be THAT is the Question...

POSTED BY: RIVER6213
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Wednesday, April 5, 2006 6:25 PM

RIVER6213


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
So you like Cameron's stuff, cool.
Now do what I said and get Dark Angel (Cameron co-wrote the series pilot, and directed the final ep of the second, and final season). I'll bet you the price of the set that you'll like it.

I don't know if you can sense it, but compared to the posts before you accidently shot yourself(!), you sound SO much better.
Thank the Lords of Kobol .

Pssst: Don't talk to Citizen, he's a REAL looney tune. Plus he doesn't even know his partially hydrogenated oil-filled peanut butters!

Chrisisall, happy you're back




Chrisiall,

You will be happy to know that I just ordered all of the Dark Angels DVDs. I should get them in about a day or so, and i will watch them all I promise. You keep mentioning them to me, so it must be a good show. Since I don't have the new Battlestar Galactica to watch, I need to fill the gap with something, and I will have a lot of time on my hands (or at least one of them) to watch them. I hope I'm gonna enjoy this!

River

P.S. Citizen's gonna kick your for saying that!

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Wednesday, April 5, 2006 6:46 PM

RIVER6213


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Originally posted by vaughn28:
River,

Your original question and most of what you have posted on this thread has been in my mind all day. I feel for you and all you are going through.

I'm nobody you know, but I do care for you.

You said somewhere in this thread that most people have kids and spouses, etc. that they live for. In a way, yes, that is why I get up each morning and live my day.

But also I honestly believe that I have a purpose. I know it sounds cheesy, but my purpose is to touch as many lives as I can and do as much good for others as is possible.

Yeah, it's cheesy. What's not cheesy is that it is MY purpose, one I chose, one I created and define each and every day. I get up each and every day and refuse to put a bullet in my brain because this life is MINE.

Action is the antidote to despair. If there is something you don't like in your life, CHANGE IT! Each and every one of us has the power to make our lives what we want it to be.

What do you have to lose? Obviously you are not worried about losing your life, so go for it! Take the risk, make the leap, do something radical. It is YOUR life. You can do what you want with it.

Oh, and buy a dog. Or a cat. Maybe a ferret. Get something cute and fuzzy that will just love you for you. It's cheesy, I know, but you said it yourself, most people get up each day to go take care of someone else.

There is a reason why you missed your head. It may take you ten years to find it out, but it's there.

And the world needs more vocal people out there to rattle everyone else's cages. We need you.

Yours truly no one you know,
vaughn

P.S. I'm a Jiff Mom




"Choosy Mother's choose JIFF"

I heard that like 10 times today! I was trying to watch those day time soaps and every commercial was a JIFF commercial!

In order to change things I have to 1st know what it is that needs changing. I fear that I might have to go as far as a total character make-over which means destroying the Glenda-that-is and replacing her with another model. But what that new model will I don’t know, but anything is better than me right now. I’m mean look at all of my posts...I just noticed it. Are you aware how many times I say “I” and “me?” I’m so self-centered, so egotistical, so full of myself. Since when did I become so fraking important? This behavior has to go…it really does. The world is not about me.

Change? Yes I need, and want to change. I have to change. Look at that, here “I” go again.

You are right Vaugh28 action is what is needed here and I’m in the process of doing something about it.

Wow! You thought about something I said all day? (See, here I go again thinking I’m at the center of the ‘verse) I guess I do shoot my mouth off, and I (“I” again) never really learned to shut up.

With that, I thank you for your kind words, and your advice. I’ve always wanted a dog, but was too busy to take care of one. I need to take care of something, and a dog is needy enough that it will give me something to do.


River

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Thursday, April 6, 2006 1:13 AM

HIXIE129


Hi River,

River you don't need to remake Glenda, you just need to fall in love again. You are an intelligent, interesting and beautiful woman. You just have to let someone into your world. Let them touch your heart--- then you will find laughter, friendship, fun, silliness, and hope again.


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Thursday, April 6, 2006 2:10 AM

BROWNCOAT1

May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.


Quote:

Originally posted by RiveR6213:

Browncoat1,

Thanks for that!

My moods are shifting faster than I can keep up! I'm in a depressive cycle right now. This morning I was feeling a little hopeful. Anyway thanks for saying all of that...it does help me focus, and its something I DO need to hear right now. I wish my suicide had been successful, but it wasn’t, and I have to live with that. I'm not going to try that again, so that leaves me with the option of living until some natural cause takes me down, or I get hit by a car driven by some thoughtless person who's talking on a cell phone and didn’t see me crossing the street but until then...here I am.

A fresh start? I'm not even sure where to begin, but I know I can't live my life the way that I've been living it for the past 6 years. It’s such a cold life, a lonely life devoid of anything warm. It’s such a mechanical life empty of love, laughter, friendship, fun, silliness, and hope. I have to remind myself that I created this life, and I created it so I could be safe, but I don't feel safe. I created a gilded cage and here I sit in the middle of it. Mission accomplished.

I have to find a way to really want to be here. Not a fake-it-until-you-make-it scenario, which brings me to the point of the subject of my original post called: I don’t care what you believe, just believe! I knew that there would come a day that I was so miserable and so unhappy that I would do just about anything to bring a measure of peace in my life, and here it is! I used to be a Christian a long time ago. I was a Christian because that family that rescued me instilled that in me. They were so nice and they prayed all the time, so I did too. Later in life when I was busy carving out my empire, I dropped the whole Christianity bit because I viewed it as lacking, and then I started to believe that, and then I became totally anti-Christian later on because it made me feel superior. And look at the result. I’m alone, I was suicidal. I lost faith in everything including myself. I started drinking heavily. I started viewing humans in general as a waste of time, and I had contempt for the entire world and wanted it to be destroyed. This is the state of mind of someone that is not connected, or balanced in any way. I guess my point is, that out of self-preservation, I’m considering prayer to save what’s left of my state of mind…it’s my only hope I think.

Anyway, I'm thankful that you guys are talking to me about all of this...helping me sort it out, helping me get some balance, and offering possible options. I am very grateful.

River




Well, that is the first step River, the attempt was not successful & is behind you now. Now you have to focus on getting your life in order and making it one that is positive, enjoyable & one worth living. Having positive and caring people in your life will help you to put the pieces back together.

Yep, a fresh start. Not many people are lucky enough to get one of those. A cold life without love, emotion, joy, friends or family is not really a life but merely existing. Life is meant to be lived, not just an automatic function like breathing. Just as you created the life that lead you to want to end it, you can reshape your life now to make it one that fills you with happiness and love.

Just believe. We all need belief. Belief in something greater than ourselves. Some find it in religion, some in family, some in one cause or another, but the fact is they find something to believe in. I'm not saying religion is what you need River, it could be that it is. I am not a religious person, but I respect others for their beliefs. Perhaps you should talk to some of the Christian browncoats here on the board & take it slow. It could be that the power of prayer will help to heal you and get you on the right path to rebuilding your life. Just believe. That is where it starts.

You are already part of the way there. You know you need something in your life. You just need to determine what it is you want. You have made a good start by confiding in people here. You have friends and that is no small thing. No one can go through life alone. We all need other people around us to help us along the path, a shoulder to lean on when things get tough. We're here for you River. If you ever need someone to lean on, or to carry you for awhile. Just ask.

Keep flyin'!

__________________________________________

"May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one."

Richmond, VA & surrounding area Firefly Fans:

http://tv.groups.yahoo.com/group/richmondbrowncoats/

http://www.richmondbrowncoats.org


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Thursday, April 6, 2006 3:31 AM

VAUGHN28


Makeovers take time River. And no, you don't need to make over you, you need to make over what is making you miserable.

I think what is important is just that you take the first step towards doing it. It doesn't have to all be redone overnight. Baby steps...but steps. You need to feel accomplishment and worth. Each day accomplish something, even if it's just rewatching Firefly.

And River, you are the center of your own universe. It doesn't mean you are egotistical, it means you care about you. That is a good step.

I myself have been to the brink of that abyss known as suicide. But I recognized I didn't want to die, I wanted the pain and confusion to end. I took a step away from the abyss. Each day I wake up and ask myself "Am I going to live today or am I going to die? Live...okay then I am going to do my best at it!" Yes, I'm a damn perky overachiever type.

Dogs are fun! Get one! They will love you for being you.

Prayer is good...but don't do it alone. Go find a church. No, I'm not christian, but the one's I know say that praying with others is fun.

It takes time. Give yourself the time. Have patience and understanding with yourself.

vaughn


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Thursday, April 6, 2006 5:01 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by RiveR6213:


You will be happy to know that I just ordered all of the Dark Angels DVDs.

P.S. Citizen's gonna kick your for saying that!

There's a severe gear shift between season one and two, so be prepared.
Let me know how you like it when you start seein' it.

Citizen can't kick my just now; I owe him money for using his patented phrase 'Digital Age Feudalism'...OOOPS!
Now I owe him double....

Chrisisall

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Thursday, April 6, 2006 11:49 AM

REAVERMAN


Hey, River! Sorry it took me so long to get back to this thread. I'm glad that your still kickin'!

You're welcome on my boat. God ain't.

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Thursday, April 6, 2006 2:48 PM

RIVER6213


Quote:

Originally posted by reaverman:
Hey, River! Sorry it took me so long to get back to this thread. I'm glad that your still kickin'!

You're welcome on my boat. God ain't.



Hi Reaver!

I just woke up and am eating a Liverwurst sandwhich and watching the news. I seem to be sleeping more than I should. How are you? I hope things are fine.

River

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Thursday, April 6, 2006 3:04 PM

RIVER6213


Quote:

Originally posted by BrownCoat1:
Quote:

Originally posted by RiveR6213:

Browncoat1,

Thanks for that!

My moods are shifting faster than I can keep up! I'm in a depressive cycle right now. This morning I was feeling a little hopeful. Anyway thanks for saying all of that...it does help me focus, and its something I DO need to hear right now. I wish my suicide had been successful, but it wasn’t, and I have to live with that. I'm not going to try that again, so that leaves me with the option of living until some natural cause takes me down, or I get hit by a car driven by some thoughtless person who's talking on a cell phone and didn’t see me crossing the street but until then...here I am.

A fresh start? I'm not even sure where to begin, but I know I can't live my life the way that I've been living it for the past 6 years. It’s such a cold life, a lonely life devoid of anything warm. It’s such a mechanical life empty of love, laughter, friendship, fun, silliness, and hope. I have to remind myself that I created this life, and I created it so I could be safe, but I don't feel safe. I created a gilded cage and here I sit in the middle of it. Mission accomplished.

I have to find a way to really want to be here. Not a fake-it-until-you-make-it scenario, which brings me to the point of the subject of my original post called: I don’t care what you believe, just believe! I knew that there would come a day that I was so miserable and so unhappy that I would do just about anything to bring a measure of peace in my life, and here it is! I used to be a Christian a long time ago. I was a Christian because that family that rescued me instilled that in me. They were so nice and they prayed all the time, so I did too. Later in life when I was busy carving out my empire, I dropped the whole Christianity bit because I viewed it as lacking, and then I started to believe that, and then I became totally anti-Christian later on because it made me feel superior. And look at the result. I’m alone, I was suicidal. I lost faith in everything including myself. I started drinking heavily. I started viewing humans in general as a waste of time, and I had contempt for the entire world and wanted it to be destroyed. This is the state of mind of someone that is not connected, or balanced in any way. I guess my point is, that out of self-preservation, I’m considering prayer to save what’s left of my state of mind…it’s my only hope I think.

Anyway, I'm thankful that you guys are talking to me about all of this...helping me sort it out, helping me get some balance, and offering possible options. I am very grateful.

River




Well, that is the first step River, the attempt was not successful & is behind you now. Now you have to focus on getting your life in order and making it one that is positive, enjoyable & one worth living. Having positive and caring people in your life will help you to put the pieces back together.

Yep, a fresh start. Not many people are lucky enough to get one of those. A cold life without love, emotion, joy, friends or family is not really a life but merely existing. Life is meant to be lived, not just an automatic function like breathing. Just as you created the life that lead you to want to end it, you can reshape your life now to make it one that fills you with happiness and love.

Just believe. We all need belief. Belief in something greater than ourselves. Some find it in religion, some in family, some in one cause or another, but the fact is they find something to believe in. I'm not saying religion is what you need River, it could be that it is. I am not a religious person, but I respect others for their beliefs. Perhaps you should talk to some of the Christian browncoats here on the board & take it slow. It could be that the power of prayer will help to heal you and get you on the right path to rebuilding your life. Just believe. That is where it starts.

You are already part of the way there. You know you need something in your life. You just need to determine what it is you want. You have made a good start by confiding in people here. You have friends and that is no small thing. No one can go through life alone. We all need other people around us to help us along the path, a shoulder to lean on when things get tough. We're here for you River. If you ever need someone to lean on, or to carry you for awhile. Just ask.

Keep flyin'!

__________________________________________

"May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one."

Richmond, VA & surrounding area Firefly Fans:

http://tv.groups.yahoo.com/group/richmondbrowncoats/

http://www.richmondbrowncoats.org





Thanks for that. I know you are right. Well, its either fly or die I suppose. God!!! If the people at my company could see me now!!! All defeated like this!!!! My Dark Lordress of the Sith Image would be tarnished! It took me years convincing people there that I had ice for blood. Oh well, that's how the 'ole cookie crumbles.

River



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Thursday, April 6, 2006 9:59 PM

RIVER6213


Six:
“Deep down inside, she knows she’s a Cylon, but her conscious mind won’t accept it”

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Thursday, April 6, 2006 10:53 PM

SINGATE


Quote:

Originally posted by RiveR6213:
Six:
“Deep down inside, she knows she’s a Cylon, but her conscious mind won’t accept it”



Why do I get the feeling you are relating to this in some way?

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Friday, April 7, 2006 5:22 AM

RIVER6213


Quote:

Originally posted by singate:
Quote:

Originally posted by RiveR6213:
Six:
“Deep down inside, she knows she’s a Cylon, but her conscious mind won’t accept it”



Why do I get the feeling you are relating to this in some way?

_________________________________________________

We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was not meant that we should voyage far.




Oh, last night I was watching some of the reruns of the new BSG, and there was this episode where this lady who flew one of those Raptor fighters, suspected that she was a Cylon and tried to kill herself. I related to her confusion as SIX was explaining to Baltar what she was going through. It's strange how I missed seening this scene the 1st time I watched it.

Deep down inside, I've always known i was somehow different, but i always found a way to fool myself into thinking and acting as though I was normal, but there was always that nagging feeling that someday I would be found out, or someday I would do something "terrible" and unforgivable.

Anyway, I felt very sorry for that girl on BSG.

River


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Friday, April 7, 2006 5:36 AM

JMB9039


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This thread is about the normal, rational people of life, and what they do to survive day to day life.



I find it interesting that you exclude all Christians from the "normal, rational people." Since Christians are in the majority, I find it funny that you wouldn't consider them "normal". And to consider them irrational? Well, we all have faith in something and categorzing a whole group like that is a little ridiculous. I'm not a zealot, nor are most, but your prejudice seems a little arrogant.

Now, as for what get's me moving - seeing GW keep on falling - it is a great rush! Other than that, I live a pretty exciting life. Although I probably don't go out as much as I used to (I'm 30 and engaged now), I still hang with my friends and they are a crazy bunch. Writers, artists, painters, teachers, musicians, pool sharks, globe trotters, etc. We live life up when we get together - soaking up the air and food and drink and everything else we can experience. It never gets dull - creativity, creative people - that's what I love.

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Friday, April 7, 2006 5:36 AM

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Friday, April 7, 2006 5:56 AM

SINGATE


Quote:

...there was this episode where this lady who flew one of those Raptor fighters, suspected that she was a Cylon and tried to kill herself. I related to her confusion as SIX was explaining to Baltar what she was going through.

Anyway, I felt very sorry for that girl on BSG.

River




I guess the two of you do have something in common as she only managed to blow out one of her cheeks. How is it a cylon would miss at such close range?

Hopefully you don't follow the same path as her. You know, running into a bunch of people who look like you, setting off a nuke, trying to kill an old man, then getting fragged by one of your former co-workers.

Not to mention being replaced by another version of yourself, winding up pregnant, and being held hostage for tactical information. That simply wouldn't do.


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Friday, April 7, 2006 6:39 AM

WINDIE


Well I have just spent about an hour reading this thread and to be honest I would normally have just walked on by. Not to sure why I stopped to be honest and at the moment, I am thinking about reading it again.

It will probably take me an hour to reply as I do not provide input often. I like to read and ingest other peoples thoughts be they trivial or mountain mover's.

I can only say that I get up each day because I am a nosey sod, I just love to know what is going on. Not with people so much as machines, I like to know how and why things work.

I can relate to pain but I never let it beat me. So will not go into that here.

I don't generally like people to be honest, I tend to wait until I have gotten to know them although sometimes I don't even bother to do that. I tend to alienate people because I generally say what I think and be damned, I don't think I will be on this planet that long and I haven't the time to Pi$$ away worrying about what anyone thinks about me or my own. If I make a friend it is usually for life, I say usually as now and again people manage to sneak in under the radar.

But the reason for the quick responce, quick to read a long time to write (trust me), is I'm glad your still on this planet. It takes some doing for me to bother to respond to a thread, so I just want to say thank you River for starting the thread and to the many people that have bothered to respond.

Well I think I will read it again, I think it's worth the hour. Maybe post again enjoy what you have and remember it's not all about personal wealth but I can only presume it helps.


Why have they taken the sky from ME

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Friday, April 7, 2006 9:26 AM

RIVER6213


Quote:

Originally posted by jmb9039:
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This thread is about the normal, rational people of life, and what they do to survive day to day life.



I find it interesting that you exclude all Christians from the "normal, rational people." Since Christians are in the majority, I find it funny that you wouldn't consider them "normal". And to consider them irrational? Well, we all have faith in something and categorzing a whole group like that is a little ridiculous. I'm not a zealot, nor are most, but your prejudice seems a little arrogant.



At this point I don't even know HOW to respond too that. Anyway. Arrogant? yes, I am very arrogant.

River

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Friday, April 7, 2006 1:54 PM

OTMA


Quote:

Originally posted by RiveR6213:
Quote:

Originally posted by jmb9039:
Quote:


This thread is about the normal, rational people of life, and what they do to survive day to day life.



I find it interesting that you exclude all Christians from the "normal, rational people." Since Christians are in the majority, I find it funny that you wouldn't consider them "normal". And to consider them irrational? Well, we all have faith in something and categorzing a whole group like that is a little ridiculous. I'm not a zealot, nor are most, but your prejudice seems a little arrogant.



At this point I don't even know HOW to respond too that. Anyway. Arrogant? yes, I am very arrogant.

River



I'm tempted to respond to that, but I'm afraid it would just start the flame war that would drag the thread down into the troll pit, and I like it right where it is.
You know, River, your comment about always knowing you were different somehow makes a lot of sense to me, because I have often felt the same way, and I know others who do as well. I could say that considering what passes for normal, I'm gorram proud to be different, but that would probably make me arrogant too. Can we start an Arrogant Club, where we automatically reject all membership applications, and the only way to join is to ignore us and assume you're in anyway because you are arrogant enough to think the club wouldn't be complete without you? Seriously though, I think there's a lot of "different" people here. After all, we're dedicated to a show that the network, according to the wisdom of catering to an assumed majority, cancelled. If we were like "everyone else", I suppose we'd be watching reality tv and obsessing over the love lives and drug habits of whatever celebrity the tabloids are stalking this week. It's not easy to be different, but it can have its rewards, and it sure beats living a lie. It's said that life is a comedy for those who think, and a tragedy for those who feel. What if you both think and feel? Well, for people here, I guess that means life is Firefly. Being different ain't being bad. I think life showed you the bad, as bad as it gets, and you're still here.
I haven't seen any of the new BSG, and I don't even have cable right now, but I really should check it out. I've never heard a bad opinion of it, except for someone I know who was a huge fan of the original, and Dirk Bennedict in particular, and she just can't accept the gender switching of her favorite character. Dark Angel, I've only started watching the second season of.
Hope your day has been ok, despite the "only able to use one hand" thing. I'm off on vacation soon, off the rural land of spotty internet access, but I'll try to keep up as much as I can.
And I'm still happy you're here.

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Friday, April 7, 2006 2:26 PM

RIVER6213


Quote:

Originally posted by windie:
Well I have just spent about an hour reading this thread and to be honest I would normally have just walked on by. Not to sure why I stopped to be honest and at the moment, I am thinking about reading it again.

It will probably take me an hour to reply as I do not provide input often. I like to read and ingest other peoples thoughts be they trivial or mountain mover's.

I can only say that I get up each day because I am a nosey sod, I just love to know what is going on. Not with people so much as machines, I like to know how and why things work.

I can relate to pain but I never let it beat me. So will not go into that here.

I don't generally like people to be honest, I tend to wait until I have gotten to know them although sometimes I don't even bother to do that. I tend to alienate people because I generally say what I think and be damned, I don't think I will be on this planet that long and I haven't the time to Pi$$ away worrying about what anyone thinks about me or my own. If I make a friend it is usually for life, I say usually as now and again people manage to sneak in under the radar.

But the reason for the quick responce, quick to read a long time to write (trust me), is I'm glad your still on this planet. It takes some doing for me to bother to respond to a thread, so I just want to say thank you River for starting the thread and to the many people that have bothered to respond.

Well I think I will read it again, I think it's worth the hour. Maybe post again enjoy what you have and remember it's not all about personal wealth but I can only presume it helps.


Why have they taken the sky from ME




Well,

Thank you for stopping by. We are going to paint the forum walls here in this thread: Institutional Green because crazy people always see institutional green in the end.

Its always interesting and sometimes distressing to watch someone try to figure out this thing called life/reality. I do understand that it's not all about personal wealth because if it were about that, I would be a very happy and well-balanced person, and I doubt that this thread would even have even been created.

Before my little mishap with the firearm, I used to get up every morning with the mindset that life is war. I would storm out of my home all caffeinated, with my cell-phone already attached to my head talking a mile a minute, and spoiling for a fight. I would get in my Jaguar and tear off into traffic looking every inch like the Road Warrior, and woe to anyone who crossed my path or got in my way.

I would arrive at work and become a cool, cold Vulcan, or a smug, female Darth Vader. It all depended on how I felt at that moment. Also, I made it my business to crush someone's ego before the day ended. In hindsight. I was a complete, thoughtless bitch. An Alliance, core-world bitch. I would then get home, and do some work on my computer network, while starting threads and arguing with people on this forum, as well as getting drunk on wine AND watching movies. Later I would go to bed angry and full of spite, and rage. I did this every day. I can't believe that person was me.

But those days are gone from me now. I wake up every morning afraid, and full of uncertainty. My whole shoulder and arm hurts like hell, even with the painkillers, and I have to remind myself that I did this to myself. Also, right now I’m actually afraid to go outside. Isn’t that funny? Ms Woman is afraid of the big bad world! I’m afraid of all of you…I think I’ve been afraid of people all my life, and didn’t really know it. You all scare me with your words, your thoughts, your compassion, your loves, your hates, your opinions, your silence, your judgments, your hopes, and your dreams.

From 19 years of age I was a supreme general fighting a war, and winning, but as time progressed, I started losing more, and more of myself in the war, until the day came where I no longer saw people, I saw only multiple targets. And the reasons for the war happening were long forgotten…I lived to fight this war called life. But then I lost it…lost the war. I became the machine I created, and life was the enemy.

But within the machine there still was this woman, this tragic life, who’s screaming still fills the night of her empty soul, and her dreams are the dreams of the defeated because she tried to end the nightmare, only to lose the ability to want to end the nightmare, so she screams, and screams and screams. She’s alive but with no army, and nothing but resources, but no will, because fear rules.

Ms Woman is afraid of the big bad world. She’s a machine no more. She has no protection…. Yes, I really do see Institutional Green in my future.

River

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Originally posted by RiveR6213:

Ms Woman is afraid of the big bad world. She’s a machine no more. She has no protection….

Now you're like the rest of us.
Congratulations.
*Pinnochio voice* You're a real girl.

Logan Chrisisall

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