Top 5 Things You'd Like To See In BDM2 by Seba

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Top 5 Things You'd Like To See In BDM2

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Thursday, April 13, 2006 8:31 PM

Assuming we'll have another BDM, what 5 things would you like to see happen/what changes would you like to see?

1. More emphasis on ensemble cast/dialogue/character interaction (as in Firefly), less on plot progression at any and all costs.
2. Return of Greg Edmonson as composer (and some inclusion of the Ballad).
2. New logo -- that Papyrus thing is just lame - return to Firefly style logo preferable.
4. Introduction of more test subjects from alliance program.
5. Explanation of Blue Sun.

Okay...fine, six:
Bring back Wash (evan as a Reaver if need be).

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Thursday, April 13, 2006 9:42 PM

LEGOLAD

Quote:
Originally posted by Seba:
1. More emphasis on ensemble cast/dialogue/character interaction (as in Firefly), less on plot progression at any and all costs.
2. Return of Greg Edmonson as composer (and some inclusion of the Ballad).
2. New logo -- that Papyrus thing is just lame - return to Firefly style logo preferable.
4. Introduction of more test subjects from alliance program.
5. Explanation of Blue Sun.

Yes, Blue Sun DEFINITELY needs to be the main focus of the story at some point. I'm thinking River knows more than just the Miranda cover-up... she just doesn't know she knows.

And it's true, the character development in the film wasn't nearly as good as in the show; obviously Joss had a lot of story to get through in very little time. I read somewhere that the basic plot of the movie was intended to be the storyline for the first two years of the show (which is good, because it means there's obviously more left to tell). I thought the film did an unbelievable job overall, but I have to admit that Book and Inara were absolutely ROBBED.

As far as the music and the logo, I loved both, especially in the title shot where we pull back from the name and pan around the ship... just gorgeous. And the ballad was included! An instrumental version, at the end of the credits. I loved that.

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Bring back Wash

No.

Sorry, but one of my biggest pet peeves in ANY story is when characters are brought back to life... which is too bad for me, probably, since Joss loves to do this all the time. Feel free to hate me, but personally, I didn't even think they should have brought back Angel on Buffy. That was a fantastic and incredibly powerful death (and my personal favourite episode, actually), and undoing it just cheapened the story for me. Yes, we love Wash. That's why his death had such an impact, just like Joss wanted it to. To keep that impact, to keep the story honest with real consequences, he needs to STAY DEAD. The story can continue without him, and I'm sure his legacy will be felt.

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Friday, April 14, 2006 1:29 AM

SEBA

Wow, thanks for the tip about the ballad -- I'd never bothered getting to the absolute end of the DVD. Makes me feel better. :)

As for Wash, it's already stated in the Serenity visual companion that Joss considers his return a possibility, so you never know. :)

And I agree completely on Book & Inara, particularly Inara as the scenes she was included in were very out of place for her (the intense combat scenes) --- she simply did not need to be there and could have remained elsewhere while the crew went off to find Miranda. (And through all of it, we saw almost no interaction between Mal & Inara (and none of Mal's usual concern for her safety) except in the begining and ending of the movie, as if she weren't even there -- and got even fewer lines). It was completely pointless. Not to mention that without the companion training scenes that were cut, the audience is left without any knowledge as to her profession, or even why she's there in the first place. As far as anyone knows, she's just Mal's ex-girlfriend or some such. Book I can forgive somewhat, if only because I feel that the presence of the Operative was meant to fill Book's role in the film -- as an impression of what Book may have been, so we didn't technically need as much of Book. Just my take.

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Friday, April 14, 2006 1:34 AM

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yo/saff/bridge naked? LOL

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Friday, April 14, 2006 2:36 AM

PHOENIXROSE

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.

#1: Blue Sun, absolutely. Possibly the return of the blue handed men so we can find out what exactly they are.
#2: Inara's back story and more interaction/exposition with Mal
#3: I badly want to see how Zoe handles herself. I think there could be a lot to her character there. Whereas Mal kept flying after he lost everything in Serenity Valley, I want to see how she manages the same thing after losing something important on Miranda (this is one of the reasons, other than the obvious, that Wash cannot come back. Much as I grieve, I agree that bringing back the dead is a bad idea)
#4: Of course, what happens to River now. Is she totally sane or just more stable? And what other secrets might she know?
#5: Hmmmmmmm, I dunno. Maybe there could be a brief shot of a building that says FOX that then gets blown up? Now that I would like to see.

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Friday, April 14, 2006 3:14 AM

NUCLEARDAY

To borrow from another, un-related thread:
1)Kaylee
2)Kaylee
3)Kaylee
4)Kaylee
5)Kaylee

Seriously, though. I think that now that all the intros are out of the way, there's plenty more room for character development in the sequel. (And I'm with the previous posters in thinking that there's likely plenty more to explore with River, and that Miranda is likely not the only big secret in her head.)

It'd be quite shiny to have another secret of some sort revealed of course. Whether it's Inara's, Book's, or the story behind Blue Sun, or even something we don't even know about yet, I'm all manner of excited about the prospect of finding out.

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Friday, April 14, 2006 3:49 AM

AUSSAY

Simon to wear his cool coat and glasses from the pilot

More history from the civil war

Jayne going ballistic and taking on the main bad guy/girl

Kaylee looking a cute as she did on the series

Early? Please?

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Friday, April 14, 2006 5:23 AM

DEEPGIRL187

I certainly agree with PhoenixRose about Zoe's reaction to Wash's death. I think there are many plotlines that could be explored with Zoe's grief, not to mention the fact she could finally get the character development she so richly deserves. I always felt she and Wash never really had enough air time.

Ranting aside, here's my top five:

1. Going more indepth with the culture and history of the verse. You can only get so much from costumes and language. I think just one scene explaining or elaborating on a significant historical event (like the war) could add so much to the story.

2. More of Jayne. Not for the usual reasons (well, not just for the usual reasons), but I think there's a lot we don't know about Jayne. His character (in a way) is designed to be one-sided, and I don't think it has to be that way. And just to show how evil I am, maybe some positive interaction (hint, hint) with River. Sorry, but I just love Rayne fics.

3. Actually doing more than just alluding to a relationship between Mal and Inara. After waiting through the entire series for them to finally admit their feelings, I don't think I'm the only one that feels screwed over regarding their characters in the BDM. Simon and Kaylee is nice and all, but Mal and Inara would be way more interesting.

4. Maybe incorporating some of the minor characters from the series into the movie. YoSaffBridge is always fun, and Badger or Niska would also be interesting.

5. Perhaps the characters could also find out more about Book's past. I know it will be hard with him dead and all, but if he really does have Alliance connections like we believe, then that could end up being a major plotline. I would give us a way to bring at least one character back without using the clone or ghost-that-only-River-can-see angles.

-Sigh- So many ideas, not enough production companies to understand the validity of them.

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Friday, April 14, 2006 6:10 AM

MILFORD

GREAT question:

1- Like everyone else, more BLUE SUN! What's the deal with those people?
2- I'd like to see what "normal" River's like. Her possible role as the new pilot is an interesting place to start.
3- Jayne's family. You know those people are gonna be hilarious.
4- I agree with the previous, YoSaffBridge. She's a classic and a hottie.
5- The announcement of eleventeen more sequels and a new series.

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Friday, April 14, 2006 6:13 AM

BRAINSPECIALIST

1: Least 5: Most

1: I would definitely like to see what happens to Zoe. She didn't deserve to loose Wash, but I wonder if Zoe will hold up so we can see how strong she really is.

2: Though there is interaction between Mal and Inara if you watch the deleted scenes, the actually movie had very little. We deserve more of this.

3: Humour. Apart from a couple of lines ("Define 'Interesting'" "Oh God, Oh God, we're all gonna die?"), there wasn't much of Joss's trademark wit.

4: Book. Early's line from the series "That's not a preacher" gives us more questions than any thing else regarding the 'Preacher'. We want answers! Is it just a coincidence that he came on the ship at the same time as an agent and a fugitive, both from the core planets? Anyone?

5: Simon and Kaylee. We left them beginning what will most likely turn out to be a very happy relationship. The only problem is that I can see Joss doing something horrible in a film, although he might not as he already did the leaving thing. If there was a series instead of a movie, on the other hand, Joss has a habit of killing off family characters (Buffy's Mum and Tara to name but two). For God's sake man, don't kill them off. Their time together (if they don't die) will most definitely be the only slice of true happiness left on the ship. **SNIFF** No, I'm not crying, just got something in my eye.

Oh, and I know it's against the rules, but more of the Blue Sun dudes. I call them the Gentlemen. It's a good name. The Blue Man Group was taken.

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Friday, April 14, 2006 6:30 AM

FUWERGH

Phoenixrose said: "Wash cannot come back. Much as I grieve, I agree that bringing back the dead is a bad idea)"

I agree. It takes away the possiblity that something bad could happen to the characters. There's less anticipation if you know they're not gonna be at risk. Then again, that anticipation lasts only through the first viewing, and since Firefly lends itself to multiple viewings, that edge-of-the-seat thing doesn't make up a large percentage of the whole experience.

But, bringing back characters from the dead still feels like a cop-out. How about Wash has a brother -- played by Alan Tudyk?

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Friday, April 14, 2006 6:57 AM

RACH

Yeah, could do without a Wash resurrection. Zoe trooping on alone would be interesting to watch. A potential pregnancy's been touted about on other thread. But most importantly, just to see how the chica would do without her emotional side being on show. She's always been taciturn but not as bitter as Mal. Would be interesting to see where that went.

Simon and Kaylee as the replacement 'couple': how does that work in with Simon's relationship with River? Which could lead into...

Development of the Mal/River relationship. There's something about the way he interacts with her that I can't quite define. But I want to see where it goes.

Jayne in love. With a VERY strong woman. Who turns him into the frightened little boy he is. And then makes him into a man.

And all the other stuff too. I want it all.

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Friday, April 14, 2006 7:00 AM

SAB39

Quote:
Originally posted by BrainSpecialist:
3: Humour. Apart from a couple of lines ("Define 'Interesting'" "Oh God, Oh God, we're all gonna die?"), there wasn't much of Joss's trademark wit.

Huh. Not sure what movie you saw ;)

"Well, unfortunately I forgot to bring my sword."

"This is your captain speaking. We may experience some slight turbulence and then explode."

"Just get us on the ground." "That part'll happen pretty definitely."

"Jayne, we're robbing the place, not occupying it."

"Well, kind of hard to tell one from t'other, face like yours."
"I imagine if it was fear my eyes would be wider."

And that's all in the first 5 minutes. I could go on for hours - and if I let myself go outside the first 5 minutes I *would* - but I should be working so I'll stop here...

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Friday, April 14, 2006 7:05 AM

HIXIE129

1. More emphasis on ensemble cast/dialogue/character interaction (as in Firefly).
2. Jon Willians as composer
3. Nudity
4. More Nudity
5. Explanation of Blue Sun.

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Friday, April 14, 2006 7:12 AM

SAB39

Quote:
Originally posted by nuclearday:
To borrow from another, un-related thread:
1)Kaylee
2)Kaylee
3)Kaylee
4)Kaylee
5)Kaylee

Quote:
Originally posted by hixie129:
3. Nudity
4. More Nudity

Something about these two posts just seems to belong together... not sure what it is...

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Friday, April 14, 2006 7:33 AM

BRAINSPECIALIST

Hmm.
Kaylee rocks.
Yah.

Anyone who disagrees can go stick...

Well, you know the rest.

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Friday, April 14, 2006 7:40 AM

UNREGISTEREDCOMPANION

Malcomb Reynolds naked.
Malcomb Reynolds in a sex scene with Inara (ala Heart of Gold with Nandy).
Malcomb Reynolds with his shirt off.
Malcomb Reynolds in his tight pants bending over to pick things up...

Uh.....is it getting hot in here?

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Friday, April 14, 2006 9:16 AM

GIDEONSTARGRAVE

In a way, I kind of dread the idea of a sequel, if only because of Joss's habit of letting happy couples be happy for a while, then doing something unpleasant. I like Kaylee+Simon, damnit, and I don't want to see them have a WillowTara thing, or even worse, a XanderAnya fiasco.

That said, in fantasy top 5, in no particular order:

1) The Hands of Blue
2) Kaylee

3) The Cobb Clan.
4) The Companions Guild and its intrigues.
5) Blue Sun.

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Friday, April 14, 2006 10:00 AM

BRAINSPECIALIST

How, gorramit, is the Xander and Anya situation worse than the Willow and Tara one?

Xander ran out on Anya at the wedding because he didn't want her to lead an unhappy life because of him (By the way, I haven't seen Season 7, so if you mention it, by God, I will cut you open, I swear it), but it's still mendable. Probably.

For God's sake man/woman/whatever, Tara was shot through the heart, Willow put a bullet in the guy that did it before tearing off his skin, then tried to destroy the world. In between those events, she managed to hurt Anya, Buffy, Xander, Dawn and nearly kill Giles.

So, yeah. Willow = Harder time.

So let's hope it ends like neither. If Simon does leave Kaylee (And let's pray that he doesn't), it'll be an Angel and Buffy thing, if anything, because he left her to protect her. I think. Well, if he leaves (Still praying here), it'll be because he's a fugitive and it would be for her own safety. Probably.

Also, just in case you don't know, the popular theory is that Blue Sun and those wierd Hands of Blue guys are the same. Well, the Hands of Blue work for Blue Sun. I think.

Whoa, too much space for one post.

Don't you just love rants?

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Friday, April 14, 2006 10:10 AM

MERCURY002

I would like to see Hans Zimmer helping on the music and the others in the program that River was in thats for sure, it will be an interesting mix to see psychic vs psychic

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Friday, April 14, 2006 10:11 AM

GIDEONSTARGRAVE

I say worse for the two people involved. Eventually, you can move on from someone dying. They're gone. Not cheapening it, or anything, but it happens, and then the aftermath happens.

The XanderAnya situation, on the other hand, nobody's dead. The other person is still there, and is going to still be there for the foreseeable future (until they get killed off too.)

Which is worse, the torture from losing someone, or the torture from losing someone, and then having them right there in front of you every single day? Especially when, on some level, both still care for each other.

Guess it's a matter of opinion.

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Friday, April 14, 2006 11:46 AM

DONCOAT

Quote:
Originally posted by BrainSpecialist:
3: Humour. Apart from a couple of lines ("Define 'Interesting'" "Oh God, Oh God, we're all gonna die?"), there wasn't much of Joss's trademark wit.

Gotta disagree with this one. Here's a page I made on Rotten Tomatoes with a list of the lines from the BDM that got laughs in the theater...

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/vine/journal_view.php?journalid=248269&e
ntryid=252648&view=public

Quite a few more than two examples!!

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Friday, April 14, 2006 12:39 PM

JAYDUCK

Well, I finished the series and went back and watched Serenity again last night.

I definitely would rather Firely was back on TV. 1 movie every couple years wouldn't do the character development justice, that these characters deserve. I prefer the slow (VERY SLOW), development of River throughout the series, for example, learning one new thing about her in a hour, rather than the "Holy crap! *Poof* she's a bad-ass" method that the movie needed to take to tell a bigger story in 2 hours.

Plus, I just think the crew of Serenity is maybe better suited to tell smaller little stories, rather than the bigger ones that are needed for movies. I prefer to see them doing a job.

Anyway though, back to reality, where movies may be the route they will have to take. Here's how I could see movies telling the stories of the crew.

1. Serenity - River's story. Already told, basically tells us who River is, and where she came from.

2. Shepard Book's story. I don't know what it is, but I'm sure it could make quite an interesting movie. Was he an Alliance Operative? A spy? An Assasin? I'm sure there is a "movie quality" story there to be told.

3. Zoe and Wash. It would almost be a romantic comedy, until he dies, at least.

4. The War - Mal's story (with a lot of Zoe too, I'm sure).

5. Inara's story - No explanation needed. Perhaps do it last and then have Inara and Mal ride off into the sunset together to end it all.

Jayne is actually my favorite character, but I don't see him having a "movie quality" story behind him. He was basically a petty theif. I think his stories are better suited for TV.

And, I'm sure I'll anger the Kaylee fan-club too, but I see her as having even less of a story to be told than Jayne. She was a backwoods little girl who had very little life experience, it seemed until her job on Serenity.

Maybe Simon's story could be told. How he tracked River down, and made the contacts to infeltrate the Alliance and get River back. I'm not sure if it's movie worthy or not though.

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Friday, April 14, 2006 1:34 PM

PINGJING

The absolutely, must-have, cannot-live-without story in BDM#2 is Inara and Mal. Together. Without one of them dying. I've been watching vids of the two of them, and rewatching episodes that feature the two of them, and gorramit, Mal deserves to be happy for once in his life! And Inara deserves to have her story told! And I need some release to all this angst that's been building up!

Um. Yeah, I'd like to see Kaylee's and Simon's relationship develop, and the Cobb Clan (fantastic idea, Milford!). But those are kind-of subplots. Also, Book's back-story and the Blue Sun, those are two mysteries I would love to see explained, as long as we can tie that in to Inara/Mal.

Seriously, Joss, if you're reading this thread for inspiration some day - don't make me come over there. Just give me my Inara/Mal storyline, and nobody gets hurt.

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Friday, April 14, 2006 1:52 PM

WHOOPS

Deffo more development of Mal and Inara id love to see how that went.

Also more on Blue Sun and how they are involved with River ect.

Also i wouldnt mind seeing how Simons and Rivers parents could be involved too.

Forgot to add;

More development of Book and how hes involved with the Alliance(e.g. on that one episode when he gets that card out)

And lastly to see how Kaylees and Simons relationship gets on.

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Friday, April 14, 2006 4:05 PM

GIRLASKEW

1. I too feel screwed out of M/I interaction. I'm not suggesting a proper hook up, but at least a strong conversation. Truthiness.

2. Stoic Zoe. I want to see what her world is like without her light in it. No baby, however. Too schticky.

3. Simon and Kaylee as happy couple, they deserve it. Wedding, if we get out Big Damn Trilogy.

4. We need a past on Book. And Inara also. Also, is she still in the Guild?

5. Kinda joking, but my husband would like a quick shot of the Operative in his new life running into YoSafBrige. Mal, figures they deserve each other and moves along.

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Friday, April 14, 2006 8:22 PM

FREDGIBLET

In no particular order:

Zoe snaps

Mal and Inara finally level with each other about their feelings

Jayne saves the crew at extreme personal risk (cementing his loyalty)

More about Blue Sun

More about River (e.g. meeting other "students", more encounters with the blue hands, more secrets that she knows, more a**-kicking)

I could probably think of more if it wasn't 11:20

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Friday, April 14, 2006 8:34 PM

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1) Serenity
2)Summer
3)Nathan
4)Alan
5)Morrena

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Friday, April 14, 2006 8:35 PM

SEBA

JAYDUCK: "I definitely would rather Firely was back on TV. 1 movie every couple years wouldn't do the character development justice, that these characters deserve. - Plus, I just think the crew of Serenity is maybe better suited to tell smaller little stories, rather than the bigger ones that are needed for movies. I prefer to see them doing a job."

Well, this being Fireflyfans, I'd say you're preaching to the choir. I'm sure we'd all prefer the series back the way it was, but I'm sure we'd also take anything we can get at this point, hense the thread. :p

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Friday, April 14, 2006 11:39 PM

BRAINSPECIALIST

I think we should have seen more of Jayne's hat.

No, I'm quite serious.

Stop laughing.

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Saturday, April 15, 2006 1:56 AM

NAUTICALGAL

Y'all can talk about cheapening all you like; I don't care. If there's a sequel, I want Wash back. All I ask.

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Saturday, April 15, 2006 3:02 AM

PSYBORG

Things I'd like to see, huh?

1. More exploration of the Mal/Inara thing. Definately NOT them getting together. Having a happy, working relationship would not last long with Whedon at the wheel, and besides, the possibility of them getting together always makes me smile. Like a little girl.
2.Absolutely NOT Wash coming back to life. He was buried with a big hole in his stomach, and a zombie in the Firefly 'verse would seem out of place. Especially if he and Zoe were to get back together... Introducing a "Wash's brother" character is out too. Unless he was a completely different character, it would be like the show was trying to copy the original character dynamics, just with a different actor playing "Wash". That would be unpleasant. Although, one thing that COULD work as a kind of "resurrection" would be The Operative becoming a Shepherd and coming on board to be a kind of Book with a intense suppressed depression thing going on. But that's just because I like The Operative. He's like Early, but not as touchy.
3.Blue Sun. Not a complete reveal-all, but showing to be sure that they had something under their Super Wal-mart exterior. Or maybe not. The mystery of the Blue Sun Corporation is one of my favorite things about the 'verse, and I wouldn't want that to be ruined.
4.The return of Kaylee's poofy dress! This category also includes Jayne's hat.
5.Badger.

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Saturday, April 15, 2006 5:22 AM

ZZETTA13

Ok browncoats heres my list,

Wash coming back: Not on this list. That happens in the BDM3. Hes got to come back and make coin. The mans gotta eat and I'll take funny over dead anyday.

1)Mal and Inaras relationship continue on the "tease".This is a great part of interest in the show. It must keep going.

2) Blue Sun & Blue Hands. The bad guys need more exploration. For one thing we already know they are bad. Lets see how much worse they can get

3)Although Jayne is considered Mals second in the funny dept. he is really good with the dramatic parts as well. My wife still hates him for what he did to Simon and River. " What you gonna tell the others? Make somethin-up." Yepper I do feel sorry for him. This character needs to continue on.

4)Saffrin. I do believe I was married to this girl in another life. Maybe hubby 106 or something. Great actress. One for the guys to vent on.This girl is so crafty and beautiful shes the one we love to hate ( while lying in her bed, just don't kiss her on the mouth) she needs to come back in the BDM2.

5)This is a possibility in the BDM2. Books character explored further. Even if he's no longer around. maybe have the crew come upon some info about Book that sheds more light on who he was.

Last thing. Whether we like it or not. The whole idea of movie making is to make money. This means new fans. Ones that don't know much about FF/Serenity. Our ranks must swell. This means 30 minutes of backstory and covering old ground. I know everybody wants 2 hours of new material but some parts of a sequel will have to deal with what has gone on before.

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Saturday, April 15, 2006 5:46 AM

HERA

Quote:
Originally posted by UnregisteredCompanion:
Malcomb Reynolds naked.
Malcomb Reynolds in a sex scene with Inara (ala Heart of Gold with Nandy).
Malcomb Reynolds with his shirt off.
Malcomb Reynolds in his tight pants bending over to pick things up...

Uh.....is it getting hot in here?

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"Funny and sexy. You have no idea. And you never will."

I find it amusing that if someone posted the same sentences with Zoe or Inara or Kaylee as the subject, they would be totally flamed from several quarters for being neanderthals.

Ah, reverse discrimination. You don't have to love it, just recognize it when you see it.

But on to the topic of the thread: My pet peeve with franchises is the one-upmanship. Next installment has bigger sets, bigger budgets, more eye-popping special effects, and less and less dialogue/character development.

In the next movie, my take is they're suffering from post-traumatic stress syndrome, sneaking around much like they did in the TV series, trying to earn a living, trying to keep flying. They don't want a high profile. I have faith that Joss could come up with a major plot point that would carry a movie, yet allowed for tons of ensemble work by the cast, alot of typically awesome yak-yak and off-kilter humour -- the trademarks of the Joss that we know and love. He could write a Firefly phonebook and it would be compelling. Hell, he probably has, to help him with the backstory. Just a list of 'verse business ventures could speak volumes. I myself am leafing through the yellow pages right now looking for "Spacecraft -- Previously Owned".

"Wanna?" – Mal to Kaylee, Out of Gas

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Saturday, April 15, 2006 5:50 AM

ARCADIA

1) Inara doing something besides showing up.
2) Mal shirtless/naked
3) More about Blue Sun
4) More about Book and/or Inara's secrets
5) River, and how she's changed since the BDM; Maybe ab R.Tam Session-eque flashbacl where we see her as she was before all this.

:-)

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Saturday, April 15, 2006 5:16 PM

PHOENIXROSE

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.

Quote:
Originally posted by Psyborg:
one thing that COULD work as a kind of "resurrection" would be The Operative becoming a Shepherd and coming on board to be a kind of Book with a intense suppressed depression thing going on. But that's just because I like The Operative. He's like Early, but not as touchy.

That is a really good idea. If Book was an Operative, that would give us his back story in a subtle way. Course, he's have to be in an abby for awhile; he couldn't just start being on the ship. I bet it takes awhile to become a Shepard. Plus, Mal would kill him!
Lots of really good ideas on this thread actually. The only one I have to take issue with is the idea of Zoe being pregnant. I'm sorry, but do we all know the definition of "Jump the Shark"? I agree with Girlaskew that it would be far "too schticky" not to mention totally out of place. Not many people have touted this one, though. I really love most of these ideas. There could be dozens of BDMs!

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Bible's broken. Doesn't make sense.

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Sunday, April 16, 2006 6:02 AM

DONCOAT

I just thought of a story line that would upset a lot of fans... if you think you might be easily upset, better skip this one.

Suppose Zoe discovers she's pregnant... but decides to have an abortion rather than raise the child alone. Nasty idea, I admit -- but Joss is known to be gleeful about jerking his viewers' strings.

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Sunday, April 16, 2006 6:11 AM

HERA

Not sure we should consider Zoe "alone" in that respect, Doncoat. Hell, that kid would have more family . . .

Mal was raised by a solo parent, if I recall, from what he sez in Our Mrs. Reynolds.

Imagine how awesome Kaylee would be as a babysitter. She'd be swapping the shotgun cartridge teether that Zoe prefers for something a wee bit more user friendly.

"Wanna?" – Mal to Kaylee, Out of Gas

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Sunday, April 16, 2006 10:30 AM

TEINEN

And i had the same thoughts about the possible pregnancy of Zoe. It could work, but it would most likely just complicate things and make things lame. Thats a bad sitcom move. Thats where sitcoms go to die.

For TV :

Just start the show back up 5 years later. Its that simple. No gimmicks, no stupid ideas, just life on Serenity. Thats the show. Life goes on.

For Film:

Keep it going where it was going. The fast pace of the movie was fun, just plow through the story.

It boils down to this.......

Nobody was going to go go buy Firefly on DVD (who hadnt already loved it on TV) unless they saw Serenity.

Nobody wanted to go see Serenity in the theater, cuz it was "that lame TV quality Sci-fi crap show that got canceled 3 years ago" unless they already loved Firefly.

So that leaves it to people like me. I heard so many good things about Serenity ,(5 star reveiws, word of mouth) that after not being able to get anybody to go to the actual theater, i rented it on DVD. And that was it. And after dragging the series out as long as i humanly could (6 months) as a huge Star Wars fan i felt cheated. "Wow, the new Star Wars suck." I thought. If only they could have spent 150 million dollars on Serenity instead.

So right now we are in a very strange position.

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Sunday, April 16, 2006 11:31 AM

PINGJING

I already posted what I want in the BDM2, but I need to add two more things that I absolutely want to see.

1. More scenes with Kaylee and the Captain. I love the big brother/little sister relationship.

2. The family around the dinner table, like old times. There wasn't nearly enough family togetherness in Serenity.

Julia

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Sunday, April 16, 2006 12:29 PM

SPACEPIRATEQUEEN

1. More Zoe. Anything with more Zoe, except pregnancy, unless Wash comes back.

2. This more has to do with the fact that he SHOULDN'T HAVE DIED IN THE FIRST PLACE (not that I'm bitter), but I just want Wash back. Though I can't think of a single way for Joss to do it properly, without making it just awful and trite and stupid.

3. Book's backstory--the most intriguing (if not my favorite) storyline, handily squished by machine gun to tummy.

4. River tricksy-flying.

5. Inara's backstory, and will she and Mal just shut up and get it on already? Aieesh.

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Sunday, April 16, 2006 1:25 PM

DEEPGIRL187

Quote:
Originally posted by Hera:
I find it amusing that if someone posted the same sentences with Zoe or Inara or Kaylee as the subject, they would be totally flamed from several quarters for being neanderthals.

Ah, reverse discrimination. You don't have to love it, just recognize it when you see it.

Not necessarily. Any woman on this site who is a fan of the women on the series would realize (I hope) what beautiful women there are on Serenity. I would kind of be scared if men weren't drooling over them.

At last.
We can retire and give up
this life of crime.

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Sunday, April 16, 2006 5:12 PM

RMMC

Hmmm...a lot of what I'm thinkin' has already been said, but...

1.) More characterization, especially for Inara. As someone already pointed out, she was robbed blind.
2.) Blue Sun conspiracies. Yeah, there's gotta be more than just one. I can't see them just making supersoldier readers.
3.) Wash & Book...in flashbacks.
4.) See how stable (or not stable) Zoe and River are.
5.) Enough half-naked characters to keep all us browncoats happy.

I've got no beef with the soundtrack for the BDM. I love it, and for the folks who are upset about the lack of the ballad...heck the strains of the refrain are through most of the music. It's everywhere folks.

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Sunday, April 16, 2006 7:46 PM

WHITEFALL

I'd like to see....

1) A signboard in a box office reading Serenity II: SOLD OUT, COME BACK LATER.
2) A crowd around the block, wearing browncoats and jayne hats.
3) A big news story on the Serenity sensation that's sweeping the nation.
4) That damn pretty universal logo at the start of the movie.
5) That damn fine ballad remix at the end.

That's what I'd like to see.

I survived a day in Whitefall and all I got was this lousy signature!

Terrifying Space Monkey of Destiny

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Sunday, April 16, 2006 8:38 PM

BROTHERJULIAN

Most of the things I would want have already been listed, but there is one that I like that nobody has mentioned.

Am I the only on who noticed that Jayne did not have Verra with him in the movie? Come on, it was his very favorite gun and she needs to make an appearence.

Brother Julian.

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Sunday, April 16, 2006 8:56 PM

PHOENIXROSE

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.

Quote:
Originally posted by deepgirl187:
Quote:
Originally posted by Hera:
I find it amusing that if someone posted the same sentences with Zoe or Inara or Kaylee as the subject, they would be totally flamed from several quarters for being neanderthals.

Ah, reverse discrimination. You don't have to love it, just recognize it when you see it.

Not necessarily. Any woman on this site who is a fan of the women on the series would realize (I hope) what beautiful women there are on Serenity. I would kind of be scared if men weren't drooling over them.

At last.
We can retire and give up
this life of crime.

Hey, I drool over them. I think every member of the cast is pretty drool-worthy, to be honest. And, you know, I think it would be unfair if there was eye candy for some but not others. There should be equality. Lots and lots of equality.
Anyway, I could talk about others things I want to see. Most of it's been talked about already, though. I like the last comment about Jayne, though. Where was Vera? I'd like to see a little more of Jayne's story in general, actually. I'd like him to have more... depth. Adam did a fantastic job giving some depth to the most 2-D character on the show, but I'd like him to have a little more to work with. I'd like to see him rescuin' some folk.
But see, that just proves that there have to be more movies. A lot more movies. Could never fit all of this into a couple hours. Esspecially family time, you know. Just sitting around the table or having small jobs to get done.
Hey, here's a thought! Maybe a few nameless execs could pulls their heads out of their respective asses and bring back the show. (I know, I know, it doesn't help to say it over and over. Can't help myself)

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Sunday, April 16, 2006 9:17 PM

BLUEEYEDBRIGADIER

Quote:
Originally posted by Seba:
Assuming we'll have another BDM, what 5 things would you like to see happen/what changes would you like to see?

1. More emphasis on ensemble cast/dialogue/character interaction (as in Firefly), less on plot progression at any and all costs.
2. Return of Greg Edmonson as composer (and some inclusion of the Ballad).
2. New logo -- that Papyrus thing is just lame - return to Firefly style logo preferable.
4. Introduction of more test subjects from alliance program.
5. Explanation of Blue Sun.

Okay...fine, six:
Bring back Wash (evan as a Reaver if need be).

For me, it would be the following:

1. Mal & Inara dealing with their feelings in the midst of a character evolution for Inara or a major issue involving her job and the Guild. Gotta have CappyCompanion angst as Inara deals with the Guild trying to dump her and coming to realize her beliefs have been misguided.

2. Zoe's handling of the pain of losing Wash. We need to see more of the "Out of Gas" Zoe redux with new facets from being a widow. Plus the issues of Silee (and possibly Rayne and Mal/Inara) going on to remind her of what she has lost.

3. Blue Hands. They got gypped in the comics, so more of the creepy f-ers hunting after River. Maybe combine it with the use of successful Academy grads and secret groups of Blue Sun hunting down their "prototype."

4. Reactions to the Miranda WAVE! I know I am curious to see how things will have changed after such a revelation....so I wanna see some social angst going on

5. Gabriel and Regan. With the above wave and River being more stable, I think some contretemps with Ma and Pa Tam would be good and work well with other ideas that might come up for plots.

BEB

Literature has shown us some of humanity's greatest achievements; history, some of our greatest failures -- Alun Lewis

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Monday, April 17, 2006 3:54 AM

XEYRA

Quote:
Originally posted by Whitefall:
I'd like to see....

1) A signboard in a box office reading Serenity II: SOLD OUT, COME BACK LATER.
2) A crowd around the block, wearing browncoats and jayne hats.
3) A big news story on the Serenity sensation that's sweeping the nation.
4) That damn pretty universal logo at the start of the movie.
5) That damn fine ballad remix at the end.

That's what I'd like to see.

I survived a day in Whitefall and all I got was this lousy signature!

Terrifying Space Monkey of Destiny

Amen!

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Mal: Define "interesting".
Wash: [deadpan] Oh God, oh God, we're all going to die?

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Monday, April 17, 2006 4:34 AM

BELLONA

1# NOT wash, unless it's a flashback or a dream.
2# NOT a pregnant zoe - it's been done to death in the BSR
3# some more on jayne, maybe a hero moment or a love interest. or just more of him being his gross, immature, violent self. whatever works.
4# blue sun. you know you want to know what's going on with those guys *stares into eyes in manner of mad hypnotist* you want to knooooow...
5# a network exec in the audience who loves it so much they pitch it to their bosses as a series and they jump on it like reavers in a nursery. eew.

and if they could swing it...a regular part for me in the series

"i'm getting a powerful energy emission..."
my other coat is brown.
I used to be snow white but I drifted - Mae West
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Monday, April 17, 2006 6:25 AM

GUYWHOWANTSAFIREFLYOFHISOWN

#5 more Malnara development

#4 more Blue Sun info

#3 more Book development

#2 more on The Academy

#1 THE RETURN OF WASH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And to anyone who thinks it can't be done go to the archived threads and look for Reasons why Wash is 100% alive and mostly well

it's my insanity that keeps me sane hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

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