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Originally posted by Ellis:

It would be great if Firefly could carry on where it left off if we said, “Okay, Serenity hasn’t happened and isn’t going to happen.” That story line could come up, of course, but I hope that things would turn out differently. But as it stands right now, it can’t go on.

Just my opinion.

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Originally posted by Whisper:
Give it time! We're only a few months out and Joss has not said that it's over yet. When he says it, then i'll lose all hope, until then... "i'm holding til Mal get's back."

Think about it... it was what like two years after the end of the series that there was rumors of a movie being made? This is just another lull.

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Originally posted by Whisper:
Give it time! We're only a few months out and Joss has not said that it's over yet. When he says it, then i'll lose all hope, until then... "i'm holding til Mal get's back."

Think about it... it was what like two years after the end of the series that there was rumors of a movie being made? This is just another lull.

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Oh yeah and didn't you know the crew signed on to do three movies (provided Serenity did well enough) so believe me that it ain't over yet.

Under a Blag Flag We Shall Sail

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I finished watching the series and many people were right: I absolutely love it. I figured I’d watch Serenity again because some things would have more significance, more impact, and I would understand some of the things going on better than I did before. It was like watching a whole new movie. After watching it, though, something occurred to me: it’s the end.

See, almost everyone here keeps talking about bringing back Firefly to TV or the possibility of a sequel; I say: leave it where it is. True, it’s sad that there aren’t more episodes, but really, what could Joss do to continue it?

The death of Mr. Universe is inconsequential since he was a character unique to the movie (as far as I can tell; I never heard him mentioned in the series). The death of Book and Wash, however, would make continuing the series pointless. In Firefly, it’s about all of them and how they interact with each other; how they balance each other out. Having those two gone means that anything that comes after it would be hollow...

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Originally posted by FollowMal:


They did sign on to do three movies, and I think they all fully expect to do two more. I expect them to do two more. The DVD sales are strong, they will be even stronger after June 23rd, which is a brilliant idea folks, so we just have to do what Browncoats are good at doing... hold the line. Joss is busy with WW and Goners, his attention will turn back to the 'verse. We have some time to wait and convince Universal to make another one or two.

I'm holdin' til Mal gets back.

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Originally posted by FollowMal:

They did sign on to do three movies,

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Originally posted by zoid:
Ellis wrote, in part:

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I finished watching the series and many people were right: I absolutely love it. I figured I’d watch Serenity again because some things would have more significance, more impact, and I would understand some of the things going on better than I did before. It was like watching a whole new movie. After watching it, though, something occurred to me: it’s the end.

See, almost everyone here keeps talking about bringing back Firefly to TV or the possibility of a sequel; I say: leave it where it is. True, it’s sad that there aren’t more episodes, but really, what could Joss do to continue it?

The death of Mr. Universe is inconsequential since he was a character unique to the movie (as far as I can tell; I never heard him mentioned in the series). The death of Book and Wash, however, would make continuing the series pointless. In Firefly, it’s about all of them and how they interact with each other; how they balance each other out. Having those two gone means that anything that comes after it would be hollow...

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Alright. First off, I think you're fishing, here (or 'trolling', in it's most beneficent form).

But just in case you're not, ingest the following and call me in the morning:

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The Present...

Mal looked at Zoe, nodded solemnly, then turned back to face his brother.

“Your face has been splashed all across the Cortex, Magnus,” he said without further preamble.

“Never thought I had the looks to be a Cortex star, did'ja?” Magnus retorted, still in an amiably bantering tone, his eye starting to swell ominously.

“This isn't a joking matter,” Mal said seriously. The smile faded from his brother's face. “What in God's name do you think you're doing?” Mal asked him.

“What am I doing?” replied Magnus angrily. “The same thing I've been doing since the Alliance killed our whole f*cking planet, that's what! Killing those bastards where ever I find them!”

Mal remained silent for a moment before asking, “And the civilian employees, women and children?”

“If you wanna make an omelet, you gotta break some eggs, Malcolm,” Magnus replied soberly. “Besides, I'm not the one who put them in harm's way.”

“There's gotta be another way, Magnus,” Malcolm responded softly.

“There's not,” his brother replied. “Look. We've got 'em on the run now, Malcolm. Did you hear about what those bastards did on Miranda?”

“I heard something about it”, Mal said evasively.

“Well, the Alliance pulled off their old trick of mass-murdering a whole planet, again, is what they did. Those that didn't die were turned into the Reavers we all know and love”, Magnus related. “I reckon the ones who died were the lucky ones. Those people were 'civilians, women and children', too, Malcolm. Who avenges their deaths?”

“Two wrongs don't make a right,” Mal said pointedly. “Mama always said-”

“Mama's dead, Malcolm!” Magnus interrupted. “And you know why!”

Into Mal's shamed silence, Magnus continued hotly, “The only thing that lets me sleep at night is the satisfaction that her murderer never made it off Shadow alive. That sonofabitch got chopped up and incinerated along with our whole family and everything else that walks, crawls or swims. You been back 'home', Malcolm?”

Mal just looked at him haggardly.

“Well, I have,” Magnus asserted. “What they never showed in the newswaves was that about two hours after they ripped the surface off the moon, they turned the grav generators back on. Everything – well 'most everything – fell back planetside in a jumble, over the next year or two. No sense wasting all the money the Alliance had spent terraforming the place, all the atmo and biomass. But it's tabula rasa down there, a clean slate. I used global positioning to find our homestead. There's nothing there. Not even Mama's grave, and I scanned for metals.”

“None of that makes any difference, Magnus,” Mal croaked unsteadily. Clearing his throat, he continued, “You was raised Christian, brother. What you're doing is nothing but wrong.”

“Don't give me any of that superstitious mumbo-jumbo!” Magnus exclaimed disgustedly. “God is just a fairy tale made up to keep the suckers toeing the line. I'm with Grandaddy Stuart on this one: Show me some tangible evidence and I'll acknowledge this 'God' of yours. 'Til then, vengeance is mine, not some nebulous, government-serving god's.”

“Okay,” Mal replied with more vehemence than he could account for, “so leave God out of the equation. How do you reckon spilling the blood of innocent civilians is going to do anything other than insure that more of our women and children get killed? How many Shadows until you're satisfied?”

“As many as it takes! They've already killed all our women and children – mine and yours. And I promise the next 'Shadow' is going to be a Core World,” Magnus concluded abruptly.

Magnus' men all gave him pointed looks. Mal noticed one or two of those looks seemed sharper than the others.

With a feeling of cold dread, Mal asked his brother, “What are you doing, Magnus?”

“Can't tell you, Malcolm,” he replied with a hint of false bravado. “'Need to know'. You understand.”

“Don't do it. I'm begging you, in the name of our family, not to do whatever it is you're planning,” Mal beseeched him. “Get out of this business and get on with your life, an honest life.”

“Can't,” Magnus replied sadly, with an unmistakeable air of finality. “My life ended when Shadow died.”

Mal looked down and nodded his head.

“Then this is where we part company, Magnus,” Mal said softly. Looking up suddenly, he pleaded one more time, “Come with us, Magnus! I'll take you anywhere you want to go! And I got friends who could get you a new identity; you could start from scratch. Anything but this! This-” Mal said, gesturing at the room around him, “-looks like defeat, not victory.”

“I'm sorry, Mal,” Magnus said, smiling warmly, “but this is my destiny. I don't suppose you'd consider joining me? It'd be nice to have someone – family – I could trust.”

Mal looked down and shook his head.

“No, I didn't think so,” Magnus concluded.

The brothers stood apart for an eternity composed of a moment, then embraced each other once more, one final time.

Looking directly into his brother's eyes, as though to capture his image for all eternity, Mal said, “I hope to never see you again, Magnus.”

“Me too, little brother,” Magnus replied, smiling lightly. “Me too.”

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...And I'm not even Joss.

Any idea that the story is finished is just plain horse manure. The story's not over until Malcolm's pushin' up daisies. He is the albatross -- the one trouble always seems to find, 'fortune's fool' -- not River. Sometimes common folks find themselves inexorably caught in the gears of history. Firefly is their story.



Medicinally,

zoid

ETA:
Fanfic, "Shadow". Miniseries format. Book reappears in form of video diary from the First War of Independence. Wash is still dead (there's a joke in there somewhere). No new crew added, superfluous. Events take place right after end of "Serenity". Extensive flashbacks reveal Mal's and Zoe's backstory; Tracey is in the backstory. The titular 'Shadow' is not only Mal's destroyed homeworld, but a reference to the darkside of patriotism: terrorism, as embodied by Mal's older brother, Magnus. He -- like the Operative before him -- is a self-justified monster. Magnus is the 'shadow' of Mal's code of behavior.
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"I aim to misbehave." -Capt. Mal Reynolds, Serenity, a.k.a. 'the BDBOF'

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Originally posted by FollowMal:

I know it's a gamble SigmaNunki, I'm not reading an absolute into this... but I am reading the same hope that Universal obviously had and that is if we sign them, if the sales are good, if the time is right.. we'll make another and perhaps even another. They have to be thinking that if their good business sense told them to sign them.

So therefore I don't think we're out of line to hope for the same thing. If we make the sales good and the time becomes right and since Universal has them all signed... we can look for another and perhaps another.

Not false hope, SigmaNunki, educated hope.

I'm a Browncoat and a businesswoman. I have to look at it that way. It's logical.

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Originally posted by SigmaNunki:
too many people make the conjecture that because they signed on for 3, that we'll get 3. This wasn't really directed at you, but that particular comment (which you just happened to make here).

As for more movies though, I think we'd have to see a gigantic leap in sales (millions) to have a good chance to get more. Unfortunately, I really don't see that happening.

Perhaps in 5 years (even if), but I don't think anytime soon.

IMO that is.

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Originally posted by embers:

see? I would consider 5 years soon...
there was a looonng gap between the first Star Wars and the second (and that was a big hit)

and a better comparison is the even longer gap between the first and second Star Trek movies.

Joss has said he has 100 Firefly/Serenity stories in his brain and he intends to tell them. He is still a very young man, and we can expect to get our BDHs periodically over the next 30 years.

IMO that is.

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Originally posted by SigmaNunki:

As for more movies though, I think we'd have to see a gigantic leap in sales (millions) to have a good chance to get more. Unfortunately, I really don't see that happening.

Perhaps in 5 years (even if), but I don't think anytime soon.

IMO that is.

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But the question here is, if we have the chance to get them, do we want them? I'm not convinced that that is so.

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see? I would consider 5 years soon...

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But the question here is, if we have the chance to get them, do we want them? I'm not convinced that that is so.

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hi Zoid,

loved the chapter/paragraph above, is there more of this story somewhere? If there is can you post a link for me, please.

Would love to read more...

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Originally posted by zoid

Yes, there is more, but it hasn't been electronically published yet.

The preceding excerpt comes from pages 54-56 of "Shadow". I had promised myself not to publish (electronically) any of it until it was finished -- which promise I reaffirm for the future -- but, the incessant negativity of so many 'Browncoats' forced me to do so.

So, don't expect more any time soon. I reckon I'm about a third (or less) of the way through, and it's still a first draft.

Sorry to be a tease.

My only defense is that I was trying to show that there is a lot more story to be told, and my focus is mostly on Mal in this diversion. After I finish this one, I'll put it up on FFF.net in the BlueSun Room. Then I'll begin work on the last part of my (fan)fictional two-story work, entitled "Firefly", which wraps up everybody's story.

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