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Where here, but mainly we are at serenity oz, come say hello and ask away

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Originally posted by aussay:
Ive posted about June 23 in some of the aussie forums and in the Borwncoats Downunder Grop, but Im still a newbie and Im not getting much response

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Originally posted by Agatsu:
A lot of people bought the DVD, but the German dubbing sucks big time (at least on the Firefly DVDs, haven't watched Serenity in German yet, but they have the same voices, and they don't fit).

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Originally posted by aussay:
Ive posted about June 23 in some of the aussie forums and in the Borwncoats Downunder Grop, but Im still a newbie and Im not getting much response

If some of the more influential aussie Browncoats could spread it around? Im willing to help with organising something if some others could give some direction as to what we should do over here?

"Shake your head boy, your eyes are stuck"

www.fireflyfans.net
http://www.browncoatsriseagain.com

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Originally posted by Agatsu:
Serenity screenings in Germany are sort of a two-edged sword.

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Is that an idiom that exists in German, too? I talked with a German for a while online once and she said that the idiom about glass houses was also German... (but I must confess, I usually see the idiom written in English as a double-edged sword, which is why I'm curious...). Er. Anyway. Moving on...

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A lot of people bought the DVD, but the German dubbing sucks big time (at least on the Firefly DVDs, haven't watched Serenity in German yet, but they have the same voices, and they don't fit).

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Apparently, they didn't ever spring for particularly good dubs for ANY of Firefly, no matter what language. I've heard some of the French voices are weird, and I saw one Browncoat on here who was bilingual in English and Spanish say she tried to watch some of her favorite episodes with the dub on and... I think the reaction might have been something like "I felt like crying", but maybe that was MY reaction to realizing I could never watch the Spanish dub (I'm taking Spanish and like to practice by watching a lot of dubs and subs when I can), I can't remember which. Apparently, though, Zoe did not tell Mal he "[had] a problem with [his] brain being broken", he had a "tumor". Wow. Yeah. And poor River's name was sometimes used interchangeably with "Reaver" ! Because, well, that's how you'd pronounce it in Spanish, but jeez... (and Mal's nickname wasn't Mal, it was "Mel". ). And apparently, a lot of the slang was butchered, like nobody ever said "shiny" they said "excelente". (Apparently, though, the series is relatively intact in the subtitles, including the use of the word "shiny" in the original context! Thank God!)

This is why I am not typically fond of watching live action dubs. Anime dubs can sometimes turn out just fine and I'm actually a fan of a few of them (especially Cowboy Bebop), but live action, they just never seem to take it seriously. (Although the Harry Potter movies seemed OK in Spanish. At least, the third one did, from what I saw.)

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So if the screening were to be in German, it would kind of suck and definitely not draw people in like the English version, but on the other hand you'll get a lot less people to watch a movie in English.

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Wow. So Germans and Americans have a lot in common! It always frustrates me, as a fan of a lot of foreign things, how few Americans are willing to watch something subtitled. On the other hand, for the anime industry this has meant an increase in the number of good or even EXCELLENT dubs. On the other other hand (so to speak), it hasn't had much of an impact on the quality of live-action dubs. *siiiigh*

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In other words, screenings might turn people OFF and be a total desaster.
Or maybe they love Serenity in German, too, and I'm just too spoiled.

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Hmm, that could very well be! I'm the type that can't usually watch the subtitled version before the dub, or I can only ever watch the subs, usually. If I watch the dub first, I can usually then watch either version. Odd, but true.

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Buffy and Angel's dubbing sucked big time, as well.

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So I've heard! I heard they even used "fangirl English" (read: English words randomly inserted or conjugated German-ly instead of the way they're supposed to be. Don't ask, it's slang from another forum I used to visit for a while), like saying "fightet" (tacking a German verb ending on to an English verb that, technically, was already conjugated anyway).

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They translated the meaning correctly, but totally dropped the fine humorous tone - or downright hilarious stuff. The German dialogues are LAME, can you believe it?

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Honey, I am a fan of Sailor Moon, which though Japanese in origin, has the worst ENGLISH dub imaginable at times. The English dub actually even managed a bizarre mix of outdated "urban"/Canadian/Valley Girl slang that included phrases like "What's up, dogs?" (instead of "What's up, guys?") and "Let's book it!" (instead of "Let's get going!") and "Wicked cool!".

In short: yes, I can believe it. And I feel your pain, from a continent away (thank God they finally released all of the first four seasons of Sailor Moon subbed. Now if only they'd subtitled the fifth one so I can have a LEGAL copy, I'd be pleased as punch...)

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But still it has a huge fanbase in Germany. Are my people this easily satisfied?

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"Your people" are most famous over here, leiderhosen(sp?) and bratwurst cliches aside, for being enormously into both Baywatch and CSI:Miami, neither of which is exactly Emmy-winning TV.

So maybe they're just as easily satisfied with crap as Americans are. You still have us Browncoat friends, though!

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Anyways, the same applies for Firefly.
For example: Shindig, Mal wins the duel.
German translation correctly re-translated:

Mal: Mercy is the mark of a great man.
(stab)
Mal: I AM a great man.
(stab)
Mal: Let's call it quits.

WTF?!

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Ooh, Shindig tends to really get hit hard by the dubs. Apparently, in the Spanish dub, Mal got called "Captain Cheapskate" (instead of "Captain
Tightpants") in that very same episode!

One of these days, I have totally got to start a web page detailing all the bizarre translation changes in dubs. I mean, anime's got to be worth a few, but apparently any Mutant Enemy project's even worse! (Hey, maybe we should write to them and tell them to stop using the same crappy dubbing studios??)

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You can see why I have mixed feelings about German screenings.

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Well, it IS for charity. If you played that angle, you could maybe get a few more buns in the seats, especially if you showed it in both dub and sub (covering both audiences), or snagged a small bit of local press... hey, it could happen! Buffy's popular over there, or at least was, right? It wouldn't exactly be front-page news, but maybe a small item in some paper's Entertainment section or something.

It's all about the marketing, baby. Hell, don't even mention what language it's in unless they ask, until after their seats are filled with their butt! That'll work.

But seriously. Play up the charity angle, it would help.

I'm planning to get all of my friends hooked on Firefly this week and in coming weeks, down at the community college campus. Maybe we could get a charity screening in the auditorium! Hell, I was already seriously considering starting an SF club at the school, and part of the requirement is "one fundraiser per semester" for clubs, I think, so hey, that would work! :P

All I need is to get the paperwork, and convince ten friends to sign on as "members", and find a sponsor, and I've got a club. If I've got a club and a few friends roped into being in the club, then... oh, then, my pretties...!

Or nothing might happen. Whatever. Lemme know, folks, if any screenings show up in Central Florida! I'd be sure to show up to one.


~Emma

"I swallowed a bug."

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Originally posted by Anonymous1:
nixygirl is planning a screening
in "Sydney!!"

http://www.serenitymovie.org/browncoats/forums/index.php?showtopic=505
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And now there are 14 on the list

As Of April 18, 2006:
14 Cities Planning Charity Serenity Screenings
http://www.cantstoptheserenity.com

Worldwide Charity Serenity Screenings

USA Canada UK and Aussieland.

Whoo-hoo!!!!!

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Originally posted by EmmaZule:
Is that an idiom that exists in German, too? I talked with a German for a while online once and she said that the idiom about glass houses was also German... (but I must confess, I usually see the idiom written in English as a double-edged sword, which is why I'm curious...). Er. Anyway. Moving on...

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I've heard some of the French voices are weird, and I saw one Browncoat on here who was bilingual in English and Spanish say she tried to watch some of her favorite episodes with the dub on and... I think the reaction might have been something like "I felt like crying".

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So I've heard! I heard they even used "fangirl English" (read: English words randomly inserted or conjugated German-ly instead of the way they're supposed to be. Don't ask, it's slang from another forum I used to visit for a while), like saying "fightet" (tacking a German verb ending on to an English verb that, technically, was already conjugated anyway).

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"Your people" are most famous over here, leiderhosen(sp?) and bratwurst cliches aside, for being enormously into both Baywatch and CSI:Miami, neither of which is exactly Emmy-winning TV.
So maybe they're just as easily satisfied with crap as Americans are. You still have us Browncoat friends, though!

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I mean, anime's got to be worth a few, but apparently any Mutant Enemy project's even worse! (Hey, maybe we should write to them and tell them to stop using the same crappy dubbing studios??)

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Well, it IS for charity. If you played that angle, you could maybe get a few more buns in the seats, especially if you showed it in both dub and sub (covering both audiences), or snagged a small bit of local press... hey, it could happen! Buffy's popular over there, or at least was, right? It wouldn't exactly be front-page news, but maybe a small item in some paper's Entertainment section or something.
It's all about the marketing, baby. Hell, don't even mention what language it's in unless they ask, until after their seats are filled with their butt! That'll work.
But seriously. Play up the charity angle, it would help.

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