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This is the most childish crap I have ever heard. To summarize your whining: "I thought of this first. Everyone else is just copying my idea. Their idea is not nearly as good as mine. I will not have my idea -- which is far superior to the efforts of others -- sullied by being related to these 'usurpers' ideas, which are going to be "nothing more than a blip on the radar" anyway."

You, sir, are a dick. On the positive side, though, it is attitudes like yours that eloquently prove why a male-dominated society is so evil: You can't resist the call of your own ambition for even a second. What we truly need in order to accomplish the goals of a fine organization like Equality Now, is an environment of sharing and non-competitiveness.

So, thanks for the reverse-example of those ideals, *schmuck*.


Disrespectfully,

zoid

P.S.
You can explain to Equality Now why I will be avoiding "your" events like the plague they are, and encouraging everyone else to read your despicable opinions and do likewise. Or you can come down off your high horse and apologize to those other groups and their efforts, which you've slandered (of which, I am not a member). I'll be over at FFFn, as always, should you decide to use that lump two feet above your ass for something other than a hat rack.

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...The point of this was supposed to be pure, outward, and other-directed. It was supposed to be a joy to work on.

Now, it's drudgery. A chore...

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Originally posted by Hera:
Browncoats! There is an alternative to the controversial situation we all find ourselves in re: Serenity Day and Serenity/Now and Equality/Now

There is a list of good reasons to move this campaign to September 30th that have been suggested by others...

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Originally posted by Hera:
I myself would be devastated if I checked back in with the fan community and realized I had missed the opportunity to help out on a huge fan initiative because I had been out of touch for a few weeks.

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Originally posted by Hera:
There is nothing that says we have to do the deed on June 23rd because it was the first date suggested.

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Originally posted by Hera:
I do not think ennui will creep in if we give ourselves more time. I myself would be devastated if I checked back in with the fan community and realized I had missed the opportunity to help out on a huge fan initiative because I had been out of touch for a few weeks. People drift away for several reasons. We need time to get the word out to them and get them back.

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Originally posted by Agatsu:
So we massively recruit new people while organising shiny things for Serenity Day on September 30th.
We're gonna be in for a longer haul, but it's gonna be all the shinier. What say you all?

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Originally posted by zoid:
You, sir, are a dick....you should (my change) decide to use that lump two feet above your ass for something other than a hat rack

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Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:
I beg to differ on your assertion that you have made no "personal attacks".

Everything you have posted on at http://whedonesque.com/comments/10149
is extremely offensive. Most especially your assumption that you are smarter than the rest of the world.

As I read your writings I get the image of a little boy holding his breath and stomping his foot.

1. The upshot is this. You do not OWN June 23.
2. No one ever intended to "steal your thunder".
3. If you want your cause to be taken seriously or in fact if YOU want to be taken seriously - treat people with respect. That is not a lot to ask.

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(From Whedonesque, where virtually everyone vigorously nodded their heads in agreement. Interior quote emphases mine.):

...And anyone who actually knew anything about fundraising would know that "one can just collect donations from your lcoal (sic) group and have all of that go to the charity" and "people give to charities all the time, why is there a push for this" are laughable statements made only out of annoyance that people are criticizing the Serenity Day "buy the DVD!" effort.

As for the first, these charity screenings are not just so the local Browncoats can get together and the 20 of them have their ticket money go to EN. Many of these screenings will not at all merely be the local Browncoat crews, but will encompass both more general scifi audiences, and audiences who are inclined to support a group like EN and so come out to see a movie.

Perhaps you're unaware of such things, but charities, and groups supporting charities hold fundraisers all the time, because "people give to charities all the time" is not something, in fact, which provides enough support for most charities. That's why fundraisers exist.

Stick to running your little moon, er, planning your little event, rather than trying to dissect the other one, because you're only showing that you don't understand very much.

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(From b!X "private" Furiousnads.com site, in response to my comments reprinted at the top of this page):

You don't read very well, do you. The complaint was never that something was first -- it was that the arrival of the other effort fundamentally changed the story of June 23 from one about fans organizing to do good for other people, to one about fans organizing to try to do good for themselves.

It changes the story from one about raising funds for and awareness of Equality Now, to one about merely trying to get a Serenity sequel.

I'll leave it to others to decide which one of those stories is one closer to a story about schmucks, if that's the word we're going to be tossing aorund (sic).

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b!X wrote:

You don't read very well, do you...

...And you don't know any Jewish people, do you? Schmuck is Yiddish for 'dick', which I'd already opined you were. Strangely, calling you a 'dick' did not offend you; but calling you a schmuck did. Very interesting.

Since having read your commentaries here, which you defended on FFFn as being purely private musings (then why did you link to them on your public site?), I have gone on to read your comments on Whedonesque, as well. As a consequence, I have been forced to reevaluate my original impression of you.

You, sir, are an elitist prick. "Furious nads!" indeed. What a pair you've got! You honestly think you're better than other people. This notion you have in your head that the 'little people' couldn't possibly understand that charity events are really intended for the upper crust of society -- and much more important than fans wanting more Firefly-based entertainment -- is not only insulting, it's revolting. How do you sleep at night?

So that's what you fear? That working stiffs wanting more Firefly will spoil the pate at your shindig? "Do you mind if I call you Ath?"

As you stated on Whedonesque, your target audience for the Equality Now benefit screenings won't have many (if any) rank-and-file Browncoats, but rather lots of influential nabobs (ooh! another word you'll doubtless misinterpret) looking for a tax write-off.

Then you summed up:

...I'll leave it to others to decide which one of those stories is one closer to a story about schmucks, if that's the word we're going to be tossing aorund.

First, it's a bad idea to use the words 'schmucks' and 'tossing' in the same sentence: Someone with a sense of humor might wander in, and how would that reflect on you?

Tell you what though, sport. Why don't you just admit that you're not the only one whose life has worth. And I mean really accept that notion into your heart. Are you familiar with the actual concept of Charity, or only of fundraisers?


Deeply Disillusioned By Joss' Inner Circle, If You Represent Their Mindset,

zoid

P.S.
Anytime you feel up to a debate on the issues, name the time and place. Someplace public. High noon-ish.

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My comrade, my friend, you have been around a bit longer than me (in life, not on FFF.net). You should know that there are at times people you simply can not reason with. People whose perceptions or ideals we can not comprehend and perhaps we are better off not doing so. It would seem you have run into such a person.

I understand your reasoning for calling B!x out and I applaud your sense of loyalty to FFF.net and the cause, but I agree w/ our fellow 'coats. If you continue to call him out it will only serve to further the division that exists. Better to be the bigger (and better ) browncoat & let it go.

I think our efforts are better spent on doing all we can to push the sales of the DVD & spread the word. Anyone with any sense can see that what we are doing is for the betterment of all. If the sales are good enough we get a sequel. A sequel means more work for Joss & the BDHs, which means more money (& exposure) for them & 'Versal. Are we being a bit selfish in trying to get a sequel? Hell yes! But it's a good kind of selfish, right?

We want the story to continue & our cast to work. We want to share the story with everyone willing to give it a chance. Sharing our joy & the wonderful story Joss has created is a positive thing, perhaps not as philanthropic as a charity event, but we each do what we can. I give to charities & do community service, so I feel no shame in doing a Serenity Day or Summer Campaign for my browncoat family & the fans yet to be found.

Let it go my friend. Some fights just aren't worth the casualties that will come of it.


Respectfully,

Your Independent Comrade,

Browncoat 1

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But, I'll make you all a deal: I will resist my truest nature and not respond further to this ass...

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Originally posted by zoid:

Well, I already promised y'all -- conditionally -- that I wouldn't, simply because I refuse to spoil things for everybody else.

My personal sense of honor is offended by the attitudes of these others; but, that doesn't give me a right to make everybody else's life less joyful. If y'all can ignore them dictating to you, I guess I can bite my lip.

I will simply say that respect is a two-way street. Respecting someone who abuses you in return is not 'respect' at all. Negotiation must likewise be bilateral, or else it's not negotiation. One party is simply capitulating.

So, I'll quit the fight, per majority request. On a personal level, I believe in "Forgive and Forget". They can't be forgiven until they ask for forgiveness. I can, however, forget the sanctimonious (fill in the blank; I would only say something rude, again).

As I said, I am not opposed to Equality Now, at least not in principle. I have no inkling about their track record, however. Are they actually doing good works? Does anybody know? Or are they simply doing more harm? I'd like to know. I've read their public relations materials, but I haven't seen any independent review of their activities. I haven't seen them graded as a charitable organization.

As far as I'm concerned, if all they want to do is turn the current male-dominated hierarchy on its head, then they're barking up the wrong tree. Schemes of this nature are evil and misguided. Trading one cancer for another is not a cure. I believe true equality -- one where everyone is guaranteed the same advantages -- is a worthwhile and attainable goal.

An analogy, to hopefully clarify my position on this:
Imagine a society, in which annual beauty pageants, Mr. America and Mr. USA. Bathing suit competitions. Imagine a society in which men wore high heels, strictly to make their calves more attractive to women. Imagine a society in which men were expected to wear makeup to enhance their allure, and to get silicone biceps implants to (falsely) emphasize their virility. Of course, being a 'liberated' male would mean not feeling the necessity to adhere to such stereotypical roles. A progressive man would thus only wear such accoutrements when he really wanted to get in touch with his masculine side; it would strictly be his choice, though.

This is what I meant when I said 'equal' in terms of societal expectations. 'Putting the shoe on the other foot' works equally well for every question of whether true equality exists or not.

So, I hope that's what Equality Now stands for.

For my own petty motivations:
I have been raging against the gods of television and cinema for nigh on 4 years now, to get more Firefly. Other 'oldtimers' may consider it passé. They may be jaded. They may be weary of the fight.

I will never grow weary. I have been given half of a great story. I will either get the other half, or go to my grave still trying to get it. It's called tenacity, and I do not apologize for it, nor do I suffer lightly being offended for having it, by lukewarm 'Browncoats'.

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Those who belittle your enthusiasm never 'got' Firefly, they only watched out of loyalty to Joss. I watched -- we watched -- because of the story, didn't we?

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As I said, I am not opposed to Equality Now, at least not in principle. I have no inkling about their track record, however. Are they actually doing good works? Does anybody know? Or are they simply doing more harm? I'd like to know.

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Originally posted by Agatsu:
Woohoo, both intelligent and dedicated, clone this man!

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Originally posted by Agatsu:

I hope your wife is going to see one day that it's not about what others think about her, but what she thinks, and the people that matter - that is the people who love her the way she is, anyways, and for whom she doesn't need to put on a show.

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