SerenityDay: Change the Date? VOTE NOW by Hera

I am a supporter of the day change. 11th Hour made some great suggestions, going to cons getting support(even from verse actors). But I proprose a compromise. Let june 23rd not be just serenity day but a start of a long camapaign. Ending on Sept 30th. various waves, missions in the summer, everyone can participate in. that way we can do more than just"get Universal to notice", but to get people to notice, and show we are in it for the long haul.
Thats my piece.
ETA:

I just realized that 11th hour posted just that... two days june 23rd and sept 30th. whops Im an idiot :P

Oh and in terms of Gossi...check out the post on whedonesque at the end.

http://whedonesque.com/comments/10149#121449

Gossi does not"support it" but he isn't on all out war to stomp us out. He actually likes the way this is going, and inf act even mentioned it in his newsletter he sent out from serenitymovie.org

And you know those two.. are not the only ones in the fandom. I like to think 11thHour is an honourable person who has been here since the beginning. I'M sure Jeremy Niesh would support this venture, although I cant speak for him, judging from his previous comments and opinions, he would welcome any fan endavour. He is busy now with done the impossible dvd, but as soon as he finishes... im sure he would love to join in(has anyone contacted him?)

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Wednesday, April 26, 2006 1:03 PM

Ack! One more thing [gotta stop saying, that, I keep thinking up new points].

Fan campaigns can and do succeed. Look at what B!X himself is doing. By forcing this to be so soon--for no other reason then June 23 is the date that's been promoted for all of two weeks--it's going to encourage chaos.

What this campaign needs is leadership and planning. More time will only help with that. Time encourages cohesiveness; being rushed (and dealing with hurt feelings and bad mojo on top of it) encourages more chaos.

Like 11th said, you all are going to basically have one shot to make this work. Rush it, and it will fail. Plan it, get the other sites on board, and it will do much better.

By the way, I post/lurk on many FF sites, and mod at serenitymovie.org, as well as being a long-time fan. Those of you who think the fans at fff.net is big enough to carry this plan through are, frankly, misguided. Without whedonesque, serenitymovie.org, or even the OB on board with this, you will never reach the potential numbers you could if you just let things cool down and wait 3 months.

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Wednesday, April 26, 2006 1:09 PM

HERA

Quote:
Originally posted by kurya:
Let june 23rd not be just serenity day but a start of a long camapaign. Ending on Sept 30th. various waves, missions in the summer, everyone can participate in.

OMG! It all makes sense now! Thank you for suggesting this, Kurya. It's the forest for the trees.

It seems it's the planning and coming to a concensus that is yet to happen. Planning until June 23rd, doing a rollout of the promotional materials needed on that date so that we all start the dance on the same foot, with the purchase date being September 30th.

It's so simple an idea! It may just work.

I can just hear all the veterans going "Uh, yeah. The planning."

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Wednesday, April 26, 2006 1:18 PM

Hey.
Acutally if you read 11th hours words, she is saying the same thing... hehe she is the genius. *bows to 11th Hour!!!!* :P And she thought it first awhile ago...I think I was just collating the ideas together.

Seriously... you can do the purchase on june 23rd. I know this may be less of an impact, but if we have a smaller spike on june 23rd , and a larger spike on sept 30th, I think it would be great. There are those with enthusiasm that want to buy it on june 23rd... and have friends and they want to press them... so let them! Once they buy the dvd... (see firefly etc). You can have THEM press others to buy on Sept 30th! Like a widespread 2-D chain effect thingy(you get what I say right?)

There are those of us here for the long haul( I am), so lets go for both june 23rd sept 30th.... but for those of us who want to press on june 23rrd lets do it.

In fact I would venture to change the banners, and the signatures etc to :

June 23rd is only the beginning. Serenity Campaign.
Or something like that.

Or to remove references to 23rd.
Joss Whedon's Birthday will be the beginning of something new. Serenity Campaign

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Wednesday, April 26, 2006 1:19 PM

Hi Prakash. :)

No, I know Gossi and Simon aren't the only fans out there, but they both have a lot of sway (btw, getting Jeremy on board is a very good idea) (and as honorable as 11th is, she doesn’t have a website with thousands of visitors each day. Invoking her name has cache with the fandom, but it doesn’t do much more for the effort then that, and many new fans don't know who she is anyway). While Gossi isn't technically against the effort, neither is he exactly going out of his way to show any kind of support. Whereas B!X is getting a lot of support from Gossi, and good press on whedonesque (not exactly Simon's doing, of course, but he has come out and said this was one of the worst fan ideas he's heard). I'm not saying folks need to kiss ass or anything, but I do think it's important that when it's big numbers you're looking for, you cover as much ground as you can. Build bridges, make friends, prove Simon wrong. :)

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Wednesday, April 26, 2006 1:21 PM

Prove Simon and Bix wrong :P

Well I think, if we can get Gossi's support for the post june 23rd bulge.... (since SNEN will be out of the way), it would be great. How about Haken on this site, is he still around? Can we put banners on this website etc.
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Wednesday, April 26, 2006 1:21 PM

DEWRASTLER

This is great. I'm going to come out and say it so the arguing can be over, because I hate arguing. Since what we need in this campaign is numbers to make it work, I agree with Kuyra and Hera. Up until June 23 we spread the word that something big is going to happen to re-light Firefly. On june 23 we begin a letter campaign Universal and anyone else including newspapers, online news site, even the BDH's if you want. That goes on constantly until Sept. 30, gaining momemtum and numbers. Even spread the word at conventions, that'll be huge. And then on Sept. 30 the massive DVD purchase hits.

Remember, we're fighting a war here. If we just do something on June 23, we are only fighting one battle and then waiting to see the result. So instead we fight a campaign that can grow and adapt over time, then we come with the rear hand strike. It's a one-two punch.

So there I said it, thats the plan. Go out, spread the word, support the charity screenings for their cause and not ours, and on June 23 the campaign begins for a Sept. 30 finale. QED, done.

One goal.
One plan.
One army of Browncoats.

On June 23rd, you can't stop the signal.
On September 30, we aim to misbehave.

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Wednesday, April 26, 2006 1:28 PM

RMMC

Quote:
Originally posted by FollowMal: There are a lot of fine people who were intitially involved with this who don't like the way this is devolving. Don't like this backstabbing, fighting atmosphere. Miss the board being the friendly wonderful place it used to be. I am one.

*waves* I'm another. The nastiness I've seen both here and on Whedonesque has been almost Reaver-worthy, but frankly, it's about to turn me off from the whole shootin' match.

I'm votin' for Sept. 30th. We need more time. Two months to do what we've got our sights on, just ain't enough time. Add to that, having problems getting the word out in many areas of the WWW due to infighting with our fellow Browncoats...I just can't say, what that would do to us.

The Serenity Now/Equality Now folks need space and respect. I personally don't care iffin' its not reciprocated, they planned their event...their charity event first--and well in advance--so they at least deserve it for that, even if you feel they don't deserve 'em for nothin' else. I've done charity organizing before--not at that level, but I've done it and quite frankly, it's a highly stressful endeavour (and don't forget to add all your other usual stresses into it...family, work, bills, etc). The bigger the project, the higher the stress, so while I'm unhappy at the messages I've seen from SN/EN's organizer, I understand it and can sympathize. (The 'hate-me' line forms over there to the left. <----

) I know a lot of folks don't understand why he doesn't see it as help and support for the charity event, but since he isn't seeing it that way, I think we should back off and come at this from another day. In other words, if we're pissing other people in our own fandom off, we're only hamstringing ourselves. --->

The sales for both the show and the BDM are still good...I doubt that it's likely that Universal will throw it all away that quickly--and make no mistake, three months ain't that much time, folks. For a movie that was released on DVD five months ago, to still be seling that well, is makin' them take notice. They've already shown that they can be trusted not to throw the baby out with the bathwater, so let's afford them a bit 'o respect, too, okay?

As I've seen in several posts here and 'abroad,' I think we need to make this a bit less 'lets show 'em we mean business,' and more of 'thank you, kindly, we appreciate what ya'll done for us.' But then, that's just MHO; YMMV.

I'm off to go look for happy, shiny threads and fics.

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Wednesday, April 26, 2006 1:28 PM

FOLLOWMAL

Quote:
Originally posted by Diz:
While Gossi isn't technically against the effort, neither is he exactly going out of his way to show any kind of support. Whereas B!X is getting a lot of support from Gossi, and good press on whedonesque

I post over on the Serenity.org site and it's huge.
It's the board that Gossi so graciously started after the official movie board the UB, folded.
All the folks who have been around for some time and are influential and also post on Whedonesque are over there.

To have Gossi support this effort and help us promote it over there, would be invaluable.
We would be two.. no maybe with some respect shared between us, three boards of folks joining together to do this thing.

I have seen the ads and the talk re: the Serenity Now/Equality Now campaign over there. It's great and gets lots of attention. It'd sure be nice to have Gossi and his shiny board on our side.

"You hold. Hold 'til I get back." Mal

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Wednesday, April 26, 2006 1:29 PM

PDCHARLES

What happened? He see your face?

This is a great idea... I feel we need time AND we don't have a lot of it. The sooner the better.. This is not about instant gratification, it is about a business model.

The reason Wal-Mart has started to bundle Serenity with COR is because it is coming to the end of its sales cycle... if the largest retailer thinks so, it usually becomes a trend.

An inital wave followed by promos can be ridden into Sept. The numbers we need isn't gonna happen in a day.... and universal has running totals

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Wednesday, April 26, 2006 1:30 PM

PURPLEPEBBLE

There are a lot of good arguments flowing both ways. but just for the recored my my vote is for the change, to sept 30th. more time to prepare, and to do it as a thank you rather than an attack on universal, and every other point that has been raised, im not going to waste your time by listing them all.
edited ok the long campaign thing is now sounding good. june 23 the start 30th the target.

BUT

Ok, confused much? - erm YES.

Vote is all very well but Someone needs to take charge and make the descion. I'll follow, i want to help, but who am i following?
We need to get together on this.

Disappointed much ?- absolutly YES.

I have to agree with what follow mal said

Quote:

- Don't like this backstabbing, fighting atmosphere. Miss the board being the friendly wonderful place it used to be.

If anything is going to hurt, its all this in fighting. I miss the board being a place where i can come and enjoy reading the threads. the reading now is very depressing as we all split apart.

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Wednesday, April 26, 2006 1:32 PM

DEWRASTLER

From what I can tell this argument seems to be over. We need more support and that will take time. Let's get Kaele's word on this because she chose to be our leader and then go from there.

Two things that we need the most: Time and numbers. Right now we have neither. By Sept. 30 we could have an overwhelming amount of both.

One goal.
One plan.
One army of Browncoats.

On June 23rd, you can't stop the signal.
On September 30, we aim to misbehave.

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Wednesday, April 26, 2006 1:33 PM

AGATSU

Lol, because Kurya posted wrong first, so did I in response... here goes...

I like the campaign plan. We could ALL start a "Serenity Campaign" on June 23rd by supporting Serenity Now/Equality Now (IT'S CHARITY!), then set up summer BBQ Shindigs, collect support on the conventions, rally the troops, plan September 30th to the minute, maybe get some of the cast on board (recording short video messages at a convention to motivate people is not much work for them, and they'll like it, and it will do wonders for morale.). Then we top it off with Serenity Day in September and watch how our buying frenzy combined with spreading the word (and the DVDs) and Christmas sales are gonna do.
The reason "we are gonna make it bigger, so we made a campaign out of it and set Serenity Day as the Grand Finale on Sept 30th" sounds good enough to me to let everyone save face or whatever.

And how could even THEONEANDTRUEALMIGHTYB!X object to that "campaign"-plan? "HIS" event starting off a campaign that spans all of the summer? He'll like it, and he can't complain that we're hijacking anything, because we're coming to him as fellow Browncoats to help Serenity Now/Equality Now and not ask anything in return but his support for the campaign as a whole. If he still objects, I think his own people will start asking questions as to his priorities, if they haven't already. He's not our business, though, Serenity is.
Let's do what's best for Serenity.

I support the "Serenity Summer Campaign"-idea with the SN/EN screenings as the start (as a pure charity event), Serenity Day on Sept. 30th to top it off, and all manners of shiny Shindigs and conventions and missions inbetween.
Come on, people, this is gonna ROCK! There's damage done no matter what we do, and this is the best way to get out of this increasingly unpleasant situation with the best results for everyone.

One day.
One mission.
One army of Browncoats.

On June 23rd, we aim to misbehave.
http://serenityjune23rd.com/

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Wednesday, April 26, 2006 1:36 PM

Well I think that is kaele's intention anyways to fight a long war, but I think she is worried( I cant speak for her, I aint no River:P), that if she talks about a lpong campaign, she may lose the interest of some of the fans. Its not explicit on the webstie, but maybe what she is hoping that if people are all jazzed about june 23rd, she will be betting that people will be jazzed to do promoting and etc throughout the summer and do a super duper charge on Sept 30th. But... then Universal may see that and see it as a tactic of "crazy" fans with money to spend...so maybe buy only on Sept 30th... but then...
oh
Im going in circles... *getting dizzy now...* must sit down.

Anyways.... for what its worth, I say go for both days, a charge to june 23rd and go all out for sept 30th. June 23rd may also prove useful as a test case and see what worked and what didnt, as 11th Hour said.

Some other people have posted good points of forgeting june 23rd. What if sept 30th was claimed...but then someone else(*cough* wont say the name....*cough*), said no thats my day as well I am planning something else footwashing for pedastrians. We will say... but nobody else claimed it, and he might say... yeah well you are all a bunch of foolish crazy people.... will we have to back down again as well b/c someone of "popularity" said we have to back down? That is the big concern about stepping down for june 23rd, and I can honestly understand that.
Prakash

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Wednesday, April 26, 2006 1:36 PM

FOLLOWMAL

Quote:
Originally posted by Agatsu:
Lol, because Kurya posted wrong first, so did I in response to him... here goes...

I like the campaign plan. We could ALL start a "Serenity Campaign" on June 23rd by supporting Serenity Now/Equality Now (IT'S CHARITY!), then set up summer BBQ Shindigs, collect support on the conventions, rally the troops, plan September 30th to the minute, maybe get some of the cast on board (recording short video messages at a convention to motivate people is not much work for them, and they'll like it, and it will do wonders for morale.). Then we top it off with Serenity Day in September and watch how our buying frenzy combined with spreading the word (and the DVDs) and Christmas sales are gonna do.
The reason "we are gonna make it bigger, so we made a campaign out of it and set Serenity Day as the Grand Finale on Sept 30th" sounds good enough to me to let everyone save face or whatever.

And how could even THEONEANDTRUEALMIGHTYB!X object to that "campaign"-plan? "HIS" event starting off a campaign that spans all of the summer? He'll like it, and he can't complain that we're hijacking anything, because we're coming to him as fellow Browncoats to help Serenity Now/Equality Now and not ask anything in return but his support for the campaign as a whole. If he still objects, I think his own people will start asking questions as to his priorities, if they haven't already. He's not our business, though, Serenity is.
Let's do what's best for Serenity.

I support the "Serenity Summer Campaign"-idea with the SN/EN screenings as the start (as a pure charity event), Serenity Day on Sept. 30th to top it off, and all manners of shiny Shindigs and conventions and missions inbetween.
Come on, people, this is gonna ROCK! There's damage done no matter what we do, and this is the best way to get out of this increasingly unpleasant situation with the best results for everyone.

One day.
One mission.
One army of Browncoats.

On June 23rd, we aim to misbehave.
http://serenityjune23rd.com/

This idea so rocks!! And it stands a chance this way folks. Come on, we can really do this and the fandom can come together with this. A united army can do anything.. we've proven that before.

Let's be mighty again!

"You hold. Hold 'til I get back." Mal

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Wednesday, April 26, 2006 1:42 PM

PURPLEPEBBLE

Quote:

This idea so rocks!! And it stands a chance this way folks. Come on, we can really do this and the fandom can come together with this. A united army can do anything.. we've proven that before.

Let's be mighty again!

seconded!!!!!!

lets bring on the Serenity Summer campaign!

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Wednesday, April 26, 2006 1:44 PM

SAMEERTIA

Steering clear of June 23rd, except to promote SerenityNow/EqualityNow is our safest bet to preserve unity in the fandom.

There's alot of anger happening right now (I happen to be a little part of that, I admit). But we need to UNITE.

I think we should focus all our efforts on Serenity for Equality Now for June 23rd, and then after that begin the Big Push to Sept 30th, with Serenity Summer.
(And not necessarily on the Charity Showings. 99% of our fanbase is nowhere in a place that's doing a showing. That's why I ignored the whole thing for so long. I can't take an extra day off to go to Portland or to Santa Barbara.)

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Wednesday, April 26, 2006 1:44 PM

hi.
I missed out on all of the backstabbing(gosh darn it I miss out on the fun....)
And arguing and fighting are two different things. I think everyone here(except a few parties...), are interested in this campaign to succeed. I think people on both sides have made good points, its hard to come to a compromise. And to choose ons ide or another. I want sept 30th, but I can see why people want to stick to june 23rd.

So lets have an intermission

So how about some good natured dancing.. .to cheer people up... *turns on some Black Eye peas*
come on lets get the groove on.... un hunh oh yeah.....
*doing Elaine dance from Seinfeld*

*dances some more*
DOnt be afraid join in!

*the funk is here!*

ok enough dancing *turns the music off* Group hug! Ok feel better people???

Prakash

ETA: just saw the posers above me response...Serenity Summer.... like that.. its serene....
or Summer of Serenity!

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Wednesday, April 26, 2006 1:46 PM

Well, I for one, can say that I could be involved with this effort if the date was changed. I never got involved in the first place because I've got too much going on in my life now--but Sept 30? That's doable. I'm sure I'm not the only one. I doubt the fire will come off of this if that date is changed--in fact I really believe the opposite will happen. Right now, outside of FFF.net, this effort is not very well known, and of the people who have heard of it, it's got a negative vibe (especially at whedonesque).

And it might go far if someone who is good with diplomacy sends B!X a note of good luck with his screenings, and asks him to come on board with a launch, rather then (in his eyes) a competing campaign.

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Wednesday, April 26, 2006 1:48 PM

HERA

Quote:
Originally posted by kurya:
*turns on some Black Eye peas*
come on lets get the groove on.... un hunh oh yeah.....
*doing Elaine dance from Seinfeld*

*dances some more*
DOnt be afraid join in!

*the funk is here!*

(joins in) Wow, this is fun! Uh huh! (oop!)

OW! I think I just pulled something in my back . . .

"Wanna?" – Mal to Kaylee, Out of Gas

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Wednesday, April 26, 2006 1:48 PM

SUCCATASH

I vote keep it.

Fuck the elite professional fans at Whedonesque.

I love all the enthusiasm here at FFF and don't let anyone tell you it's bad for fandom. That's bullshit.

Nobody owns June 23, nobody is a better fan than anyone else. Don't cave in to "save the fandom" crap, that is ridiculous. As if you suddenly have to follow a bunch of rules because you love the show and want to share it with others.

The negative, condencending attitude in that Whedonesque thread really annoys me. It's THE site for Joss news though, and Joss frequently posts there himself, which is damn cool. But the people who post there aren't better fans than anyone else, and they act like they're in charge of all Joss fan projects or something. I say, don't give in to that shit.

"Gott kann dich nicht vor mir beschuetzen, weil ich nicht boese bin."

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Wednesday, April 26, 2006 1:50 PM

OLDFOGEY

Quote:
Originally posted by kurya:
June 23rd is only the beginning. Serenity Campaign.

I like this idea a lot!

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Wednesday, April 26, 2006 1:54 PM

PDCHARLES

What happened? He see your face?

Yay! FollowMal is on board! Now I feel good about this... Browncoat luv is back...

Oh and now dancing... *shakes his tailfeather*

How bout we just list promotional ideas instead of complaining...

We keep saying we don't have time, why is that?

Aren't there a billion things that can be modified, printed and sent out on this very site as far as flyers..

There is a site already, can it be modified to reflect a long campaigne.

and aren't we just talkin' about convincing people to buy the DVD... as I and many have said go out and become salespeople... just don't think the average buyer will adhere to our one date.

Edit: and Succatash that is sooo true...
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Wednesday, April 26, 2006 1:55 PM

FOLLOWMAL

Quote:
Originally posted by Succatash:

It's THE site for Joss news though, and Joss frequently posts there himself, which is damn cool.

Yes he does and he reads what is going on thru that board too. I'd sure hate for Joss to be thinking.. wow I get a right mess of an argument and a fandom torn apart for my birthday....yay

versus

Hey, look at all my shiny folks getting together and doing good for my charity on my birthday and then oh look! they are going to start another campaign all together to buy the DVD's as a thank you to Universal... wow Browncoats are the best!

Which birthday gift do you want to give Joss?

I personally want to give him what he's given us.... our best!

"You hold. Hold 'til I get back." Mal

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Wednesday, April 26, 2006 1:56 PM

actually Diz(now there are several posts), I believe numerous people have offered to send him an olive branch in emails...including Kaele....So I think... right now that point is moot. One can try again with the modified plan....although I honestly would not be surprised with the response. That is my one nbit of pessimism... sorry baout that
now lets get back to dancing! conga line!
Prakash
PS
sorry about making jokes... but seriously we need our sense of humour.... its like vital like breathing....
ETA: I got to go home! sheesh...and hera sorry about the brack.,...s it down relax... jsut move your arms and feet, it will be ok ... .hmm heres a thought can you rename the subject of this thread to include dancing? positive vibes... thats what we need. Time for some Barry White.

ETA 2: FollowMal...I totally agree...Joss should get as his birthday two birthday presents, one for his favourite charity and one to rejuvenate the fandom, and hey... its money that goes into his pocket right? :P
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Wednesday, April 26, 2006 2:03 PM

Nah, you're right, Prakash. I've tangled/watched him tangle with people on the boards many a time, and trust me, folks, it ain't being stressed with his charity screenings that makes him like this. It's his nature. Best to let it drop, I guess.

And now I dance!

*shimmy to the left*
*shimmy to the right*
*twist my ankle*
*howl in pain and limp off the floor*

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Welcome to Serenity - Joss Whedon

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Wednesday, April 26, 2006 2:12 PM

MORWEN112

I'm all for two days. From what I've seen, quite a few people have already set up screenings and other plans for that day that can't be easily changed. And fans gained on 23rd June would have something for which to work(ie, getting recruits for 30th Sept)over the summer. And, as a student, I know I would probably be more excited about something happening in the summer, though I can see a September date livening up the biginning of the school year, too.

And hey, two chances to get together and go biggledy over Serenity/Firefly have got to be better than one, right?

So let's go for the gusto and show them what we can do!

PS- I'll follow FOLLOWMAL...(no pun intended

)

New to the 'verse but ready and more than willing to learn.

Morwen

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Wednesday, April 26, 2006 2:13 PM

SUCCATASH

You guys... the fandom won't be torn apart. What does that even mean anyway? The fans aren't going anywhere.

Joss doesn't care about fan crap. He's seen SO MUCH already with the Buffy boards. He's a pro. The concept of fandom being torn apart is just plain silly.

What does Joss want on his birthday? I don't know. But if there are a bunch of charity screenings and another group of people organizing a DVD purchase - If I were Joss I'd be happy.

Either way, it doesn't matter. The "fandom" is just fine, will be just fine. And whether or not Joss has a happy birthday will NOT depend on a petty fan squabble about who is giving the best present.

Browncoat Army made a plan and they should not be bullied or guilt tripped by other fans.

"Gott kann dich nicht vor mir beschuetzen, weil ich nicht boese bin."

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Wednesday, April 26, 2006 2:24 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Diz:
Hi Prakash. :)

No, I know Gossi and Simon aren't the only fans out there, but they both have a lot of sway (btw, getting Jeremy on board is a very good idea) (and as honorable as 11th is, she doesn’t have a website with thousands of visitors each day. Invoking her name has cache with the fandom, but it doesn’t do much more for the effort then that, and many new fans don't know who she is anyway).

A lot of new fans, who weren't around for the original guerilla marketing battles to get the movie made, are not familiar with my work... unless they've seen it around and didn't know "who" did it, or if they bought the Serenity RPG book.

However, once new fans find my webpage they're very happy to have the posters available so they can do their own guerilla marketing. I love getting emails and posts from new fans. The energy is so good for revitalizing the campaign for more Firefly/Serenity.

My website doesn't get thousands (except for a few times during special promotions) of visitors each day like the message boards do... but the site has just passed the 45,000 hit mark... which ain't too shabby!

Also, the "cache" reference is nice... but I can also offer new promotional items for the endeavor... revised posters and new banners to contribute to the cause. I'd also be able to add an announcement about the Serenity Summer Campaign (or whatever it will be called) which is leading up to the big Serenity Day. My site still gets many hits a day, and it's another way to help put the word out.

Yer Art Companion,

11th Hour

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Wednesday, April 26, 2006 2:31 PM

PURPLEPEBBLE

Ok, maybe its just me, but the SSC (Serenity Summer Campaign) seems to offer everyone what they want.

23 of juners have there day, we get all summer to have shindigs and arrange for a big blow out on the 30th of september, which the change of date voters can get behind.

I back the SSC, anyone with me?

Just trying to bring some order to a debate that seems to be going round in circles.

Why not spend the summer in serenity? SSC
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"Why did you leave?".... "Why didn't you ask me not too?"

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Wednesday, April 26, 2006 2:33 PM

DAPHNE

This is my first time commenting on any kind of message board. I just finished watching the Firefly DVDs, I have not yet seen Serenity. Came across this site and this thread and figured I might as well throw in my two cents based on my somewhat limited knowledge of the history here, that the Sept. 30th date is the best choice for a variety of reasons.

1) June 23rd is awfully soon and as someone who has planned some really large events - y'all will have more fun if you give yourself more time.

2) The purpose of the charity screenings is to raise money for Joss' favorite charity as a kind of birthday gift. The purpose of your event is very different (send a message to Universal) - one good reason to separate them (as well as to keep the peace). The date of Sept. 30th is more relevant to your cause.

3) I'm guessing that it is better to watch Firefly before seeing the movie. So if you are looking for a way to build and keep momentum towards the Sept. 30th date. Start with a Firefly blitz, maybe emphasizing an episode each week leading up to the 9/30 date.

4) I don't know that a one-day spike in DVD sales is as important as overall sales. What the movie studio needs to know is that a large number of people would be interested in more shows/movies. Perhaps your goal should be to get to a certain number of DVDs sold by the Sept 30th date. Or to keep a steady stream of new sales in order to keep the series and movie Amazon rating above a certain level. I was surprised when I ordered Firefly that it ranked higher than some newly released movies. Anyway, this once again points to the one year anniversary of the movie being the date for your final goal.

And that way as you get new people hooked on the series, you aren't asking them to hold off purchasing DVDs - I wasn't going to be able to wait until June 23rd anyway.

I would also encourage you to strongly support the other event, in hopes for reciprical PR.

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Wednesday, April 26, 2006 2:33 PM

Hey 11th Hour, hope you don't think I was bashing you. I love your work, and your place in Firefly/Serenity history, is, well, historic. :) People should definitely go to your site and grab the art, then plaster it on anything, as is intended. (And you DVD cover design covers the shameful llama on my Serenity DVD.)

My point was, that we need to get folks who run the fan forums involved. I didn't mean to make it sound like you had nothing to contribute other then cache, and I'm sorry if it came off that way. When Prakash mentioned your name in response to me throwing out Gossi and Simon's names, I meant to respond that the comparison is more apples/oranges. I was trying to clarify my previous post, and did so poorly I guess.

You are the goddess of guerrilla marketing, of course you're important in all this, and this whole campaign is better for having you on board. :)

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Welcome to Serenity - Joss Whedon

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Wednesday, April 26, 2006 2:52 PM

Diz,

Anyone who calls me a goddess, is downright shiny in my book. Muchas gracias!

Actually, I thought your post regarding the message boards was very positive... and I agree! Those sites get lots of traffic and are a very valuable, in fact a crucial, way to spread the word.

Mainly I wanted to let folks know that I'm on hand to contribute guerilla marketing art, posters and banners, and whatever else I'm able to do. I'm a bit crazy busy now, finishing more art in connection with the Serenity RPG, but I'll have more time in a few weeks.

Also, and this is still in the planning stages, I'll be at Dragon*Con and I'd LOVE to help promote Serenity Day there. Dragon*Con takes place at the beginning of September and it will be a wonderful big Sci-Fi convention to do a final promotional push. Plus, we can mention that the end of September is a good time to stock up on holiday gifts... and Serenity DVDs require no refrigeration, they'll keep 'till December!

I appreciate all the kind remarks.

Yer Art Companion,

11th

P.S.
Glad to hear you're enjoying my alt DVD cover... there will be another design coming soon...

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Wednesday, April 26, 2006 3:33 PM

DEWRASTLER

So its settled then. The plan is to do what has is now being called the Serenity Summer Campaign that will have a grand performance on Serenity Day, September 30.

Quick question. Does anyone know the address of who we should write to at Universal. It's a vital piece of information and all my suggestions bank on that little bit of knowledge.

I changed my sig a few posts ago, I think it sums up this new idea well. It's nothing final but I kind of like it and think it's a good start. I'm running with this idea now and IMHO I think we all should.

One goal.
One plan.
One army of Browncoats.

On June 23rd, you can't stop the signal.
On September 30th, we aim to misbehave.

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Wednesday, April 26, 2006 4:03 PM

GLUEMAN

I like the idea of a Serenity Summer Campaign and Serenity Day, September 30. It avoids conflicts with other events. It also give us more time.

This campaign will not succeed unless all the Firefly/serenity FAN web sites work together. Some of you might not realize that SciFi and IMBd have very active message boards. Don't forget the Podcast too.

Peace my friends, It's OK to debate, but let's play nice!

One day.
One mission.
One army of Browncoats.

On June 23rd(err...September 30th), we aim to misbehave all summer long!

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Wednesday, April 26, 2006 4:44 PM

PINGJING

I didn't read all the posts here, but the OP is pretty convincing. I vote for Sept 30th. Hopefully those with plans in the works for June 23rd can push back the date.

Julia

One day.
One mission.
One legion of Browncoats.

On June 23rd, we aim to misbehave.
http://serenityjune23rd.com/

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Wednesday, April 26, 2006 6:09 PM

SHINEYSHINDIG

Quote:
Originally posted by Agatsu:

I like the campaign plan. We could ALL start a "Serenity Campaign" on June 23rd by supporting Serenity Now/Equality Now (IT'S CHARITY!), then set up summer BBQ Shindigs, collect support on the conventions, rally the troops, plan September 30th to the minute, maybe get some of the cast on board (recording short video messages at a convention to motivate people is not much work for them, and they'll like it, and it will do wonders for morale.). Then we top it off with Serenity Day in September and watch how our buying frenzy combined with spreading the word (and the DVDs) and Christmas sales are gonna do.
The reason "we are gonna make it bigger, so we made a campaign out of it and set Serenity Day as the Grand Finale on Sept 30th" sounds good enough to me to let everyone save face or whatever.

And how could even THEONEANDTRUEALMIGHTYB!X object to that "campaign"-plan? "HIS" event starting off a campaign that spans all of the summer? He'll like it, and he can't complain that we're hijacking anything, because we're coming to him as fellow Browncoats to help Serenity Now/Equality Now and not ask anything in return but his support for the campaign as a whole. If he still objects, I think his own people will start asking questions as to his priorities, if they haven't already. He's not our business, though, Serenity is.
Let's do what's best for Serenity.

I support the "Serenity Summer Campaign"-idea with the SN/EN screenings as the start (as a pure charity event), Serenity Day on Sept. 30th to top it off, and all manners of shiny Shindigs and conventions and missions inbetween.
Come on, people, this is gonna ROCK! There's damage done no matter what we do, and this is the best way to get out of this increasingly unpleasant situation with the best results for everyone.

I vote for this.
Promote, support, rally for the Serenity Now/Equality Now charity showings on June 23rd, try gathering support in our own areas for screenings, attend if at all possible;
support and promote a "Serenity Summer Campaign" that will garner more of an influx of new browncoats with our own shindigs and from the charity screenings;
cap it with "Serenity Day September 30th".
This will give all of us a fresh spark to promote and spread the word, not to mention grant us time to pull together marketing, get the media involved and support from all browncoats across these fan boards.
Since signing on fff.net a couple months ago I've been on daily, even if I don't post every time... I'm pretty up on all the discussions, so there's definitely NOT good vibes lately with all of this.. Honestly, this solution seems to make the most sense, AND, grants us ALL time to get things rolling...
(Personally, I'm kinda digging all this summer promotion thing, and can see doing some of my own BBQ shindigs!!!)

"Wanna?"

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Wednesday, April 26, 2006 7:13 PM

KAELE

There's a few things I need to say, and I'm hoping you all will take this with due respect.

Far as I'm aware, there has been no fighting between B!x and I, between B!x and Maxrimstain, or between B!x and anyone. Just because there's a disclaimer on his site does not mean he's fighting with anyone. It was explained to me that one of the screenings wished to call their shindig a "Serenity Day benefit." If I had been working for months on something that was very near and dear to me to have something that popped up within a week being credited with all my hard work, my nose would be out of joint too.

I've e-mailed B!x and have been e-mailed back. Twice. I don't recall any name flinging or nasty words exchanged. Actually, I've got records of him telling me to go ahead and promote his site, but to PLEASE make sure that it is clear that the two events are two separately organized events. One of my volunteers has gone so far as to have pre-typed posts on the Browncoat Signal Corps website approved by B!x. I have asked for nothing more from him.

I see no arguements going on in this relationship, only on this board and at Whedonesque. I've had my comments posted on there, and I'll repeat the same to you. Give it a chance.

If everything is based on how B!x feels about having his date usurped, then it should be Joss we're asking. And following that odd line of rationale, Sept. 30th is out as well, because Gossi mentioned a "Thank you, Universal" letter writing campaign. This is a path of procrastination and twisted lines of what-ifs and might-bes that I do not want to head down.

I stepped up, am trying to coordinate a few things, and was about to finalize some of them by week's end. I HAD made a decision and had announced it to everyone on the volunteer mailing list.

I'm keeping the 23rd as the Serenity Day DVD Drive.

Now don't all go getting your knickers in a twist if you voted for the 30th, because I ain't done yet!

Forget the donated website fees, donated URLs, and donated PHPBB, there's a darn good reason for it.

The Browncoat Army.

An Army isn't assembled for one measly battle, it's assembled to defend, to protect, to organize long standing campaigns, and sometimes even to attack. This is what I'd like you all to do, although we're attacking in the metaphorical sense. We have a fandom to protect here and a movie to promote. Doesn't matter what day, what it's called, who organized it, or what it's in honor of!

Our first big event after this moment happens on the 23rd. Then it'll be the next event (which will probably be Sept. 30th once I speak to Gossi and that HAS been mentioned on a thread I posted on) and then the next, and then the next. I'm in for the long haul and just because I'm pushing for June 23rd does not mean I'm slacking off come June 24th!

But the point is that we're PRO-ACTIVE. We're working for what we love. Even if it's a single post on a board somewhere to spread the word. Not everyone will be able to attend a screening, myself included. This is a way to involve all Browncoats, new and old.

If anyone who volunteered feels that they cannot complete what was assigned to them, then I please ask that you forward on to me what you have accomplished and either myself or another volunteer will try and continue. I do NOT want people stressed over this. If you can't run, you walk, if you can't do that...well, you know the rest.

---

Now for some very exciting news: I've been contacted by two very important websites about June 23rd.

www.Whedonverse.org and www.Gateworld.net.

Whedonverse.org has been dedicated to donating Joss Whedon related DVDs (and sometimes books and comics!) to libraries and troops since 2004. They showed a great interest in coordinating something with us and I'll be cultivating that into something more solid with my webgenius (yes, it's one word now).

Gateworld.net is a large Stargate website who approached ME. Yeah, I know, amazing, they're not even Firefly related but there's a whole thread related to June 23rd and a post or two about people pulling for our cause. There are massive post numbers over there, exceeding stats I've seen from SerenityMovie.org.

Tee shirts are close to being finished and available for purchase, website is pending once I get my rear in gear.

We CAN do the DVD Drive, we CAN promote the screenings.

And it will only continue for the Serenity Summer Campaign(I like that!) building up to the Big Damn Anniversary.

~Kaele

One day.
One mission.
One army of Browncoats.
Find Serenity on June 23rd.
www.serenityday.org

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Wednesday, April 26, 2006 7:21 PM

SHINYMOM

We, the Fresno Browncoats, began planning two weeks ago today for the June 23 date (22 in our case). We have a theater, we have sponsors, we have a website. Everything is a go for that date.

We can't and won't abandon our plans. Hard work has gone into this so far. We're almost to the fun part--putting up flyers all over town, selling tickets, and finding prizes for a trivia session before the show starts.

Once this event is over, I will be ready to take on something else. It's a lot of fun, and I wouldn't miss it for anything.

So here's my vote: Keep the June 23 screenings, and make plans for the summer and September 30.

Shinymom

"Look at the pretties!"
"Chow's in ten...no need to dress."

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Wednesday, April 26, 2006 7:38 PM

COPILOT

I'm going to buy at least 2 copies on June 23d.
Heck I'll pobally need more by september. So it's a toss up

An I carried such a torch

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Wednesday, April 26, 2006 7:50 PM

Some comments for clarity...

Quote:
Originally posted by Kaele:
Far as I'm aware, there has been no fighting between B!x and I, between B!x and Maxrimstain, or between B!x and anyone.

You may not be aware of any fights, but there was a rather heated exchange between b!x and kurya on WHEDONesque that has been referred to by several people. Here's the link in case you missed it:

http://whedonesque.com/comments/10149

The exchange got so heated in fact that a moderator had to step in to request that those involved take the discussion off-site.

Btw, you know good and well how upset b!x's disclaimer made many of the good folks involved in this campaign... there were numerous emails commenting on it. I find your statement to be rather disingenuous.

Quote:
Just because there's a disclaimer on his site does not mean he's fighting with anyone.

There have been many people put off by the wording of that disclaimer... it even prompted a thread on this site because it has caused upset. See the posts from ZOID detailing his emails with b!x, there's plenty of fightin' words exchanged there.

Quote:
If everything is based on how B!x feels about having his date usurped, then it should be Joss we're asking. And following that odd line of rationale, Sept. 30th is out as well, because Gossi mentioned a "Thank you, Universal" letter writing campaign. This is a path of procrastination and twisted lines of what-ifs and might-bes that I do not want to head down.

"Everything" is not based on how b!x feels, and many of the posts on this site reflect that. Many people who voted for September 30th to be "Serenity Day" have stated that their main reason is because they feel strongly that more time is needed for the day to succeed the way people want it to. Did you read those posts?

As for Gossi's idea to have September 30th be a "Thank You" day to Universal... well wouldn't a big "Serenity Day" DVD buying day be a great way to thank them? Where's the conflict? The two go together beautifully.

Btw, even gossi himself, on Whedonesque, suggested that Serenity Day take place on September 30th... appears he doesn't have a problem with it.

Quote:
Now don't all go getting your knickers in a twist if you voted for the 30th, because I ain't done yet!

Forget the donated website fees, donated URLs, and donated PHPBB, there's a darn good reason for it.

The Browncoat Army.

An Army isn't assembled for one measly battle, it's assembled to defend, to protect, to organize long standing campaigns, and sometimes even to attack. This is what I'd like you all to do, although we're attacking in the metaphorical sense. We have a fandom to protect here and a movie to promote. Doesn't matter what day, what it's called, who organized it, or what it's in honor of!

The whole army metaphor is gettin' kinda creepifying here...

Quote:
But the point is that we're PRO-ACTIVE. We're working for what we love. Even if it's a single post on a board somewhere to spread the word. Not everyone will be able to attend a screening, myself included. This is a way to involve all Browncoats, new and old.

For something meant to involve all Browncoats, a lot of peoples' opinions, and votes, are being brushed aside.

Quote:
I stepped up, am trying to coordinate a few things, and was about to finalize some of them by week's end. I HAD made a decision and had announced it to everyone on the volunteer mailing list.

I'm keeping the 23rd as the Serenity Day DVD Drive.

There's just so much "I" in those statements.

A fair vote can be respected, but that mailing list you mentioned all of a sudden had people popping up "voting" for the 23rd who I hadn't even seen in the loop before that. There were serious rumblings on the way the vote was handled... and then plans were pushed hard to make the 23rd the date whether the "30th" folks liked it or not.

It was the tactics I don't agree with.

11th Hour

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Wednesday, April 26, 2006 7:55 PM

SHINEYSHINDIG

...and after my long-winded spew... should have held off on that.. Thank you Kaele for keeping the line..
"salutes to Kaele"

So say we all...

One day.
One mission.
One army of Browncoats.

On June 23rd, we aim to misbehave.

www.serenityday.org

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Wednesday, April 26, 2006 7:57 PM

MALAYNADREAMS

Wow--I totally missed all the "fun"

....

I vote for the Campaign. I hate that there is bad air between Browncoats... "Why is everyone so mad..?"... The one thing that truly matters during the hiatus of Firefly is EACH OTHER. Without each other, we have nothing. We need everyone to be on good terms and show respect for one another.

It's not guaranteed that we'll all be warm and fuzzy for every single Browncoat...but at least we can all show respect for one another. Doesn't matter who "started it" (we're not 5 years old)--just matters that we get this bad air cleared away.

I've only been a Browncoat since March--but the thing I love about ya'll is that you stick together and you hold together. Whether newbs or vets or in between...we have to be united. At one point, you were a newb, and at one point, hopefully, a vet has given some wisdom. We're all on the same level here.

For the same reasons others have voted to change the date, so too, do I. If there's any bad feelings that should be going on....it should be used positively on those wanting to see us fail!

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One day.
One mission.
One army of Browncoats.

On June 23rd, we aim to misbehave.

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Wednesday, April 26, 2006 9:00 PM

BCOAT7

Sept. 30!

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One day.
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One army of Browncoats.
On Sept. 30, we aim to misbehave.

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Wednesday, April 26, 2006 9:17 PM

PIRATA

WHAT?!?!?!?!
CHANGE OF DATE?!?!?!?
People, I was enthusiast from the beginning about this event.

I thought Browncoats were the ONLY group of people who could rally under a leader, organize things fast and clean and get an amazing result.

I was wrong. This is a mess.
Sorry, but it is just the way it looks.
This thread shouldn't have been started.

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Wednesday, April 26, 2006 9:18 PM

SANDS

I made posters for the 23rd and I aint redoin em'.

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Wednesday, April 26, 2006 9:22 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Sands:
I made posters for the 23rd and I aint redoin em'.

I've revised my collection of guerilla marketing posters many, many, MANY times to keep up with so many different promotions for Firefly and Serenity.

Why is it such a big deal to revise a date on a poster?

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Wednesday, April 26, 2006 9:30 PM