SerenityDay: Change the Date? VOTE NOW by Hera

Good catch! I didn't see that, if I did read it, it is with those brain cells I keep misplacing.

I think then we do need to clarify. If we ARE going for a major push - then I will have to agree with some of the things I have read. If that is the case, then we need to be DAMN SURE that we have the numbers. It means a HUGE feat of planning and mobilazation. It means weeks, maybe months of reaching out to every member of this forum as well as all the others out there and getting a universal if not unanimous decision on a date.

The million man march didn't happen in a day, and although this is not a political venture, thats the kind of planning that would be needed.

I say, go for raising awareness. Don't build us all up to look foolish we the numbers don't happen.

But that is just me.

I will go with the flow.

One summer.
One mission.
One army of Browncoats.

And a bunch of Rings that make Shiny people do silly things!

Starting June 23rd, we aim to misbehave!

Nathan doesn't know it yet, but I am his one true love! Is that weird?
(he will believe, he will believe)

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Thursday, April 27, 2006 9:35 AM

I guess we could manage a few couple of ten thousand DVDs, if we go with the september date for buying and use the Summer campaign wisely.
Then there'll be a slight aftershock come the holidays.
If we go with the June date, with all the confusion going on, the bickering and boycotting, and the time we lost arguing about this hwai, we'll get 10000, tops. And then people will lose interest because they're dissappointed that there were so few of us and we didn't even really get noticed, and morale will go to hell, and with it the whole plan, and THAT, more people will know than knew of the plan itself.
Then newbies will come and wanna do it again, and better, and we'll be all like "Isn't gonna work, anyways.".
SEPTEMBER, GORRAMMIT!

Moving the date isn't about B!x anymore, it's about reassessing the situation and do what's best for everyone - and for our cause, september is best.
We CAN manage 40000+ DVDs bought in september, I guess, but I'm throwing figures around. I alone am gonna buy 5 copies that day. For every one that buys five, we'll have five that buy one.
But for this to work, we need ONE day, and EVERY Browncoat we can reach, and lots of new converts from the Summer Campaign would be nice, of course.
The one day, one army thing didn't come out of nowhere - it was the very IDEA behind Serenity Day.

Serenity Summer Campaign for teh win!1!!

BROWNCOATS UNITE!

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Thursday, April 27, 2006 9:36 AM

MILDCINEPHILE

I plan on celebrating twice, probably wearing my brown coat and telling people about it on June 20 (the last day of school here) and then buying the DVD on June 23. I believe that a lot of people have begun to plan (I know I have) around June 23, and I don't hink it would be wise to change.

One day.
One mission.
One army of Browncoats.

On June 23rd, we aim to misbehave.

http://serenityjune23rd.com/

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Thursday, April 27, 2006 9:52 AM

But it's not too late to change, and we would greatly benefit from it. If people managed to organise their lives around June 23rd in a matter of days, they should be able to unmanage and focus on the bigger goal and get excited about a summer of fun, with one hell of a firework sale to top it off and to go into the holiday season.
Woohoo!

And the first annual after the premiere of Serenity makes more sense as a symbolic day, too.

Serenity Summer Campaign for teh win!1!!

BROWNCOATS UNITE!

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Thursday, April 27, 2006 10:02 AM

WHOISRIVER

Quote:

I am sorry, I mean no disrespect, I was wondering who Gossi and SimonF are and how they got a hold of my sway?

Simon's the admin of Swedenesque (Josh Sweden's fan club). I'm the admin of the Serenity Movie Browncoats website. I don't think there is (or should be) any particular sway over the fandom.

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Thursday, April 27, 2006 10:03 AM

I agree. It's not too late to change.
In fact- making changes to a few things right now.

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Thursday, April 27, 2006 10:12 AM

DAYVE

Quote:
Originally posted by Arabikum:
BRIAN: Are you the Judean People's Front?
REG: Fuck off!
BRIAN: What?
REG: Judean People's Front. We're the People's Front of Judea! Judean People's Front. Cawk.
FRANCIS:Wankers.
BRIAN: Can I... join your group?
REG: No. Piss off.
BRIAN: I didn't want to sell this stuff. It's only a job. I hate the Romans as much as anybody.
REG: Schtum.
JUDITH: Are you sure?
BRIAN: Oh, dead sure. I hate the Romans already.
REG: Listen. If you really wanted to join the P.F.J., you'd have to really hate the Romans.
BRIAN: I do!
REG: Oh, yeah? How much?
BRIAN: A lot!
REG: Right. You're in. Listen. The only people we hate more than the Romans are the fucking Judean People's Front.
P.F.J.: Yeah...
JUDITH: Splitters.
P.F.J.: Splitters...
FRANCIS:And the Judean Popular People's Front.
P.F.J.: Yeah. Oh, yeah. Splitters. Splitters...
LORETTA:And the People's Front of Judea.
P.F.J.: Yeah. Splitters. Splitters...
REG: What?
LORETTA:The People's Front of Judea. Splitters.
REG: We're the People's Front of Judea!
LORETTA:Oh. I thought we were the Popular Front.
REG: People's Front! C-huh.
FRANCIS:Whatever happened to the Popular Front, Reg?
REG: He's over there.
P.F.J.: Splitter!

thanks for the comic relief.... i love that movie... saw it in waco texas..... before they burned the theater down....

On June23 right on up to September 30 and beyond, we aim to misbehave, (hell, i may start tonight!)

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Thursday, April 27, 2006 10:31 AM

Lol, I love your sig.

Serenity Summer Campaign for teh win!1!!

BROWNCOATS UNITE!

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Thursday, April 27, 2006 10:31 AM

IANW

i'm for september 30th.

i didn't read all of this becuase, well there's a lot to read lol

maybe we can do it this way: june 23rd will be a day where we buy the dvd's and spread the word with our sales.

so if we do SOMTHIGN for june 23rd and then gear up for september 30th.. that would be the best.

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Thursday, April 27, 2006 10:41 AM

DIZ

Okay, as the originator of the "sway" comment, an explanation (as I tend to put typing fast ahead of any sort of thinking--not always as good substitute as you'd think).

When I said "sway", I meant "power beyond anything any human has dreamed or desired"--wait, slash that. What I meant is that these guys help run two of the biggest websites known to the Firefly/Serenity fandom, and reaching out to them can only be helpful. I certainly did not mean to imply that either is more important then any other fan. Everyone knows that I'm the most important fan, sillies.

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Welcome to Serenity - Joss Whedon

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Thursday, April 27, 2006 10:47 AM

But.. But Diz.. I thought I was the most important fan.

I put the I in Firefly!

Uh... didn't I?

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Thursday, April 27, 2006 10:48 AM

RMMC

Quote:
Originally posted by FollowMal:
... yesterday was a study in coming together and wanting to find a good solution and then when it seemed we had THIS solution, folks threw a party.. it was fun. My heads still a little fuzzy with that virtual Irish creme. Heh.

But we still have to get the leader of the Serenity Day behind this idea fully... she is still posting that she will do June 23rd, she sort of co-opted the Serenity Summer Campaign and said she liked it, but she also said a lot of stuff about an army and attacking and defending and such and I don't know how that figures into this plan.

I hope she sees this and sees that it will be good for us all...by all, I mean literally us all.

"You hold. Hold 'til I get back." Mal

I certainly hope so. I didn't much care to hear that our votes are counting for nothing. Unless you're the Shrub, you don't get to veto the rest of us. This is suppose to be a 'one person one vote' deal, and the mice in your pockets don't count.

I'm gonna go look at the other threads as this is the first I've seen today having just got home. Then I'm goin' back to the party...not so much to celebrate, but to escape the arguing. I don't mind debates, they're interesting, entertaining and educational. What I don't care much for is the belittling of folks. That's what got me riled.

Oh, and for the record...I like the compromise of the SSC. The ideas and reasons for it that I've seen presented sounded like a good plan to me, so I'm changin' my earlier vote to that.

****
RMMC

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Thursday, April 27, 2006 10:48 AM

IANW

okay ya know what?

I've decided that there's going to be a september 30th event. if need be, i'll organize the entire thing but I believe that it will be more bennifical to have it on that day.

I believe a lot of people are going with june 23rd becuase it's sooner and they're excited. It's like telling the kids we're going to chuck e' cheese on the way home and then open your wallet and tell them to wait untill payday :)

I can completely sympathize.

But now i believe september would work much better.

i'll open a new thread now.

-Ian

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Thursday, April 27, 2006 10:54 AM

Diz

I am the most important because.... well...I am!

All props to the other sites. I don't go to them. This is my home. And such a shiny home!

One summer.
One mission.
One army of Browncoats.

And a bunch of Rings that make Shiny people do silly things!

Starting June 23rd, we aim to misbehave!

Nathan doesn't know it yet, but I am his one true love! Is that weird?
(he will believe, he will believe)

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Thursday, April 27, 2006 10:56 AM

WHOISRIVER

Well, certainly there's no harm in gettin' the bigger sites on board, especially if something is based around the fan support (the percentage of fans who monitor different forums is quite small).

And the most important person of the fandom is, of course, Joe Sweden. After you, Dizzy, obviously!

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Thursday, April 27, 2006 11:09 AM

DIZ

Quote:
Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:
Diz

I am the most important because.... well...I am!

All props to the other sites. I don't go to them. This is my home. And such a shiny home!

One summer.
One mission.
One army of Browncoats.

And a bunch of Rings that make Shiny people do silly things!

Starting June 23rd, we aim to misbehave!

Nathan doesn't know it yet, but I am his one true love! Is that weird?
(he will believe, he will believe)

And of course, when I said "help to run two of the biggest Firefly/Serenity websites" did you not see the invisible comment right after that? The one where I said, "beside this one,"?

Hee, I never say what I mean. :)

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Welcome to Serenity - Joss Whedon

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Thursday, April 27, 2006 12:17 PM

This is just a first pass at a "teaser" poster for Serenity Day. The tag line can be changed of course. The poster text can also be updated as September 30th draws closer... then more specific info can be added regarding the DVD buying campaign... but teaser posters/flyers are a good way to start building interest.

Again, only offered as a suggestion...

Yes, I made time to revise one of my guerilla marketing posters, but just so folks know... it's not because I have nothing else to do with my time! I just care a lot, maybe too much, about promoting Firefly and Serenity... so I other things in my life that need doin' get delayed...

Yer Art Companion,

11th Hour

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Thursday, April 27, 2006 12:23 PM

If I can look at Nathan's face AND support Serenity Day, then it's A-OK with me :)

One summer.
One mission.
One army of Browncoats.

And a bunch of Rings that make Shiny people do silly things!

Starting June 23rd, we aim to misbehave!

Nathan doesn't know it yet, but I am his one true love! Is that weird?
(he will believe, he will believe)

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Thursday, April 27, 2006 12:24 PM

PURPLEPEBBLE

Damn shiney 11thhour. damn damn damn shiney.

here i sneaked you out a strawberry cookie from the party!

~x~x~x~x~x~x~x~x~x~x~x~x~x~x~x~x~x~x~x~x~x~x~x~x~
"Why did you leave?".... "Why didn't you ask me not too?"

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Thursday, April 27, 2006 12:43 PM

KURYA

sneek a strawberry cookie? 11th hour should join us in the Partay thread...

which is here:

http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=2&t=20162#top

By the way Im starting a conga line.... (in that thread of course :P)

Oh and if people are feeling a bit peeved or argumenative...or want to spaz or something just right before you post... may I suggest something?

Check out this site:

http://www.cuteoverload.com

You will thank me...
or maybe hate me for getting you addicted.

Prakash

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Thursday, April 27, 2006 12:47 PM

DAYVE

Quote:
Originally posted by WhoIsRiver:
Well, certainly there's no harm in gettin' the bigger sites on board, especially if something is based around the fan support (the percentage of fans who monitor different forums is quite small).
And the most important person of the fandom is, of course, Joe Sweden.

Yes, i agree. And as someone who does check out different boards, i am a little confused as to why everyone would not be happy to work together...and hopefully that is indeed the case. After all, fans of Joe's work should share a common bond, the appreciation of what Weldon has given us all - and not just a 'chosen' few....

In the end, I'm in favor of whatever needs to be done to get a shot at another movie - I'm not totally unaware of how the entertainment bidniz works... (crap in, crap out...soak in the hot tub & count your money)... but I've seen so many new fans of Firefly in the last year that I will remain optimistic....

oh, and thanks for your insightful input (& Simon's as well)

Some time,
some how,
read my lips....

On June 23rd, September 30th & November 20th, we aim to misbehave. (ok so i always misbehave on my b-day...)

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Thursday, April 27, 2006 2:43 PM

DEEPGIRL187

Quote:
Originally posted by kurya:
Oh and if people are feeling a bit peeved or argumenative...or want to spaz or something just right before you post... may I suggest something?

Check out this site:

http://www.cuteoverload.com

You will thank me...
or maybe hate me for getting you addicted.

You were right. I'm stuck between thanking you and hating your guts. 'Must get the cuteness out of my head...'

At last.
We can retire and give up
this life of crime.

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Thursday, April 27, 2006 2:51 PM

KAELE

Tallying?

June - 17
Sept - 13
Both - 7
There were about 5 or so ambiguous ones.

Best option?

Buy the DVD on June 23rd.
Go to a screening on June 23rd.
Come June 24th, we continue on.

I'm still in need of a few volunteers, so please use the website and drop me a line. :)

Gossi, I hope you got something fun planned for me to help ya out with. 'Cause I'm ready and raring to go!

~Kaele

One day.
One mission.
One army of Browncoats.
Find Serenity on June 23rd.
www.serenityday.org

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Thursday, April 27, 2006 4:01 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kaele:
Tallying?

June - 17
Sept - 13
Both - 7
There were about 5 or so ambiguous ones

Sweet, muscular Joss... your talent for counting votes the way you want things to go is darn near miraculous!

FYI, the votes for Serenity Day on September 30th outnumber the June 23rd votes more than 2 to 1!!!

For the sake of honesty and respecting the voices of the people who voted, below is an overview of the votes on this thread. Some names have an excerpt from the associated post. The votes which were definite, or had a strong preference for a particular day, were placed under that date.

PLEASE NOTE: Many of the people voting for a specific "Serenity Day" still expressed an interest in having a Summer long campaign, starting with June 23rd and concluding on September 30th.

However...

The main goal of this particular thread and vote was to pick which date would be the big DVD buying push, and be called "Serenity Day"... so that's where the emphasis of this voting compilation has been placed.
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JUNE 23rd (16 Votes):

Vinderdraken
Zisker
Teinen - events too close together, two heads are better than one, birthday is the whole concept...
RolandReynolds
Aztechrome
Succatash
Sands - made posters for the 23rd and ain't redoin' 'em.
Arabikum - "nothing good will come out of having 3 extra months."
LivLass
ServantofKushiel
MonksDad
MildCinephile
PizmoBeach
SadLittleKing
RiverIsMyGoddess
*1ToSmile

SEPTEMBER 30th (35 Votes):

Agatsu
FollowMal
11th Hour
OldFogey
Asarian
FutureMrsFillion
LittleAlbatross29
SimonF
Diz
Kinroedarkstone
Dgary
DashboardDino
Kurya
Hera
Dayve
RMMC
PurplePebble
SameErtia
Daphne - Voted for September 30th, and her first post on a message board!
Glueman
BadgersFlunky
Pingjing
ShinyMom
MalaynaDreams
BCoat7
STDoubt
Kjippo
WhoIsRiver (Gossi)
Browncoat1 - First voted for 23rd, then saw my post and changed to Sept. 30th.
Raleighbrowncoat
IANW
ShinyShindig
*Mikamom
*nosadseven
*LadyShelley

SWING VOTES - (Either Day/Double Day) (4 Votes):

Penguin - will take either day, but feels that "September 30th is the natural day to celebrate the 'Verse!"
SimonB - voted for 23rd, but will support the cause regardless of what day is settled on
Silence - voted for 23rd, but doesn't mind Sept. 30th
Drewrastler - mailing Universal, buy DVDs on 23rd / work during Summer for bigger day on 30th

BOTH - (No specific mention of which day to designate "Serenity Day") (3 Votes):

PDCharles - buy on both days
Morwen112 - buy on both days, but added she will follow FollowMal
*Gelassenheit

*Votes posted after first list compilation

MISCELLANEOUS (5):

Doncoat - Abstained
CoPilot - Toss Up
Pirata - Didn't think the thread should have been started
Maghaffar - Posted but didn't vote
DeepGirl187 - Posted but didn't vote

Participants Who Appeared to Think We Were Voting on the Screenings (2):

RiverGirl - Her post kept referring to the screenings and the difficulty with changing cinemas, and the reference to charity. She must have thought she was voting on the Serenity Now screenings.

Emandbri - Her post kept referring to the screenings. Hard to tell if she was aware of what the vote was really for.

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Kaele, are you going to respect the votes, or keep brushing them aside and doing what you want to do?

11th Hour

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Thursday, April 27, 2006 4:16 PM

THANK YOU, 11thHOUR!!!!!

I was in the process of doing my own count when you posted.

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Thursday, April 27, 2006 4:25 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SameErtia:
THANK YOU, 11thHOUR!!!!!

I was in the process of doing my own count when you posted.

You're welcome!

Took a long time to compile that overview, but what's right is right. People were expressing what they wanted... that has to be respected.

The thread was started so we could vote and have our voices heard. It was a way to make sure that the plan was a reflection of the majority of the fans. The only way the plan can achieve the greatest success is one that has the backing of the most people.

And everyone was so happy with the result that they started a party thread!

11th Hour

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Thursday, April 27, 2006 5:16 PM

KURYA

hey 11th hour!
Great job.

but...in terms of my vote...I like the idea of sept 30th. But please put my vote for both ... since i figure we can do a small sales spike for june 23rd and have a bigger sales spike for sept 30th.

Anyway either way, from the posts I saw, it seems that sept 30th is the majority.

ETA: oh and the partAY thread was started by me way before the decision was made... it was a way to release the tensions...and get some fun back in.... b/c everyone was soo serious and wound up. So please.... whether you are for june 23rd or sept30th or for llamas to take over the world, please join us on the partay thread. unlimited alcohol(no hangover whatsoeevr), dance anyway you can(and not be embarassed), and all the most decaent rich.. great tasting food and no calorie! What more can you want?
Prakash

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Thursday, April 27, 2006 5:40 PM

ASARIAN

Quote:
Originally posted by 11thHour:

Quote:
Originally posted by Kaele:
Tallying?

June - 17
Sept - 13
Both - 7
There were about 5 or so ambiguous ones

Sweet, muscular Joss... your talent for counting votes the way you want things to go is darn near miraculous!

FYI, the votes for Serenity Day on September 30th outnumber the June 23rd votes more than 2 to 1!!!

Thank you, 11th hour!!

I was just thinking: "This must be what going mad feels like." :) Without you, 11th hour, this 'verse would be a whole lot more deadly and unpredictable. Thank you for what you're doing.

--
"Mei-mei, everything I have is right here." -- Simon Tam

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Thursday, April 27, 2006 5:43 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by kurya:
hey 11th hour!
Great job.

but...in terms of my vote...I like the idea of sept 30th. But please put my vote for both ... since i figure we can do a small sales spike for june 23rd and have a bigger sales spike for sept 30th.

Anyway either way, from the posts I saw, it seems that sept 30th is the majority.

I can certainly can change the category of your vote. However, there was a certain "looseness" in the way people were voting. For instance, I also agree that buying DVDs on June 23rd is a good idea, but have September 30th be Serenity Day... so I put myself in the September 30th category.

To help explain the categories:

• The folks under the September 30th date are saying that's the date for the big DVD push, and that day will be called "Serenity Day"... but it's not saying that we also can't do something on June 23rd.

• The folks under "Both" don't have a preference which date is the big DVD sales push, or which day will be called "Serenity Day".

Hope that helps clear up the meaning of the categories. I'll revise my post so other people won't get confused... at least I hope they won't get confused.

So, just let me know which category fits your preferences best and I'll revise the list if needed.

Thanks!

11th

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Thursday, April 27, 2006 5:45 PM

SUCCATASH

The votes are in.

14 people will buy the DVD on June 23.

31 people will buy the DVD on Sept. 30.

We're gonna kick some Hollywood ass!

"Gott kann dich nicht vor mir beschuetzen, weil ich nicht boese bin."

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Thursday, April 27, 2006 5:55 PM

KURYA

Hey.
nice one succatash...we are sooo going to get our sequel now. :P(kidding.... I know it aint the aim..) anyways...11th Hour, sorry yeah... it was a bit confusing. Then include me for sept 30th(but mention that it will include a small sales spike on june 23rd). Because I know and believe... people really want to do it on june 23rd, so i say let them. Because if i try to say"no dont do that"... then they will get antsy and tell me to sod off. Its only the first thing in the campaign anyways.

Prakash

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Serenity Summer Campaign
- June 23rd, is ONLY the beginning.

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Thursday, April 27, 2006 5:57 PM

GELASSENHEIT

I vote both. Why the hell limit ourselves to one day, why not two?

Gelassenheit means Serenity

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Thursday, April 27, 2006 6:04 PM

PIZMOBEACH

... fully loaded, safety off...

11th and Kaele - you 2 need to come together and not slag each other with votes and rhetoric. I don't care how many votes there are or how accurately they are counted... I remember how the domain name "fireflyday.com" won in a landslide 155 to 34, but it didn't actually win, it got rolled over for other names, "the people have spoken and they're wrong." Fansite voting has proven unreliable. And these votes are such a small percentage of the users here, a quick tally, about 50 total votes representing 20,000 users?! More important than the voting... you need to get together, lock yourselves in an e-mail room and get a consensus, a plan that serves both dates. You 2 are clearly the guiding forces behind both dates - come together and do us all proud, pull something positive out of this division - please!

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Thursday, April 27, 2006 6:14 PM

Fireflyday was decided against in the end because it did not, in practicality, reflect goals that we were trying to achieve.

Democracy has to be balanced with common sense.
Common sense would dictate not doing something that's going to cause a rift between the various fandoms, and that's exactly what we're headed into.

(Yes, it recieved the landslide of votes on the website, but not here on the board, oddly enough. I also suspect that there were people using multiple votes on the website.)

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Thursday, April 27, 2006 6:30 PM

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Originally posted by pizmobeach:
11th and Kaele - you 2 need to come together and not slag each other with votes and rhetoric.

"Slag"? I do admit to calling Kaele on things she's said in her posts that were not correct. Someone in the position of leader is held to a higher level of conduct, because their actions have a greater affect on people.

Kaele posted a vote tally that was obviously wrong, and was presented as yet another way to proceed with the date she wants.

This thread was created to have a vote... you even voted in it. Now that the count is in, and the date that you didn't vote for is the majority, you are questioning its usefulness.

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I don't care how many votes there are or how accurately they are counted...

Well, that's unfortunate.

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I remember how the domain name "fireflyday.com" won in a landslide 155 to 34, but it didn't actually win, it got rolled over for other names, "the people have spoken and they're wrong." Fansite voting has proven unreliable.

The voting on that website was anonymous, and it's hard to tell if there were any controls to prevent the same people from voting more than once. That is a pretty unreliable way to vote.

But the voting on this thread had peoples' names and reasons for voting... and mutliple votes are avoided. This thread is more than straight votes, it's people discussing the subject and working things out.

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And these votes are such a small percentage of the users here, a quick tally, about 50 total votes representing 20,000 users?!

Are you talking about the number of users who post every day, or are you looking at the total number of people who have registered on this site since it began... FOUR years ago? Many times people register, post a little, and then never come back.

The voting on this thread involved the people who care most deeply about the campaign... that's what's important.

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More important than the voting... you need to get together, lock yourselves in an e-mail room and get a consensus, a plan that serves both dates. You 2 are clearly the guiding forces behind both dates - come together and do us all proud, pull something positive out of this division - please!

I believe the plan does deserve both dates. But the dilemma is that kaele wants June 23rd to be Serenity Day and the big DVD buying extravaganza... and I firmly believe that the big DVD buying extravaganza needs more time to achieve the numbers that the fans need to make a truly big impression. My vote is that Serenity Day needs to be September 30th.

This is the issue that's the main sticking point... that and the way kaele wants the browncoat army to also be on hand to "attack"!

11th Hour

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Thursday, April 27, 2006 6:40 PM

MIKAMOM

I throw my hat to Sept. 30.

After reading all the arguments, Sept 30 makes more sense. We are not so far into this that adjustments can't be made.

One summer.
One mission.
One army of Browncoats.
Starting June 23rd, we aim to misbehave.

http://serenityjune23rd.com/

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Thursday, April 27, 2006 6:42 PM

FOLLOWMAL

11th Hour.. thank you for doing this.

I appreciate it.

And I want to add my own count, perhaps not as neatly as you since I'm not so artistically inclined.

I counted 18 for the 23rd.

and 30 for the compromise
Serenity Summer Campaign

"You hold. Hold 'til I get back." Mal

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Thursday, April 27, 2006 6:56 PM

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Originally posted by FollowMal:
11th Hour.. thank you for doing this.

I appreciate it.

And I want to add my own count, perhaps not as neatly as you since I'm not so artistically inclined.

I counted 18 for the 23rd.

and 30 for the compromise
Serenity Summer Campaign

Hey, I'm glad you counted too!

Our counts are pretty close... the differences may be because I made extra categories. I was trying to show a bit more personalization to the votes.

So I went back and moved some votes around to streamline, and hopefully, make the categories clearer. Our counts are still pretty darn close! (The votes in the September 30th category still includes folks who like the compromise idea.)

Again, the vote count was an endeavor to stay with the intention of the thread... to vote for which day would be Serenity Day.

Though I was starting to see that some of the people who voted for June 23rd didn't seem to express that they understood that Serenity Day is more than just a DVD sales spike campaign... it's meant to be big enough to impress a studio. It's hard to tell how well informed the votes are... then one wonders if the vote would change if they had more understanding of the issue at hand?

Anyway, most folks seem to really like marking both days with a show of buying support... it's just working out which day is gonna be the BIG day.

11th

P.S.

Succatash - loved your post!

Just wanted folks to know his joke was made before I revised the list, so his numbers are a little different. I moved some "both days" folks to the 23rd, and via email I discovered that one of the "Miscellaneous" people actually was a 30th vote.

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Thursday, April 27, 2006 7:48 PM

PIZMOBEACH

... fully loaded, safety off...

11th Hour:

Try and bring people together... my bad.
Do you want to take this over? Is that what you really want? Then cut us all a break and just say so openly.

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Thursday, April 27, 2006 8:03 PM

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Geez, try and bring people together...
I could refute each of your remarks with more of my own quotes and detailed rebuttles and replies ad infinitum blah blah boring board banter, we could go on and on... but it serves no greater good. Do you want to take this over? Is that what you really want? Then cut us all a break and just say so.

Nope. I have no interest in taking this over.

However, I do care about how Firefly/Serenity is promoted. I've worked at a TV Network, The WB, during the heyday of Buffy the Vampire Slayer. I saw first hand the attitude that studio executives have toward fan endeavors. I saw the look in their eyes when they read heartfelt, passionate fan letters... letters that to a fan may have made perfect sense and were sincere, but they were a joke to the execs. A well intentioned, but naive fan endeavor, will not improve the image of the Browncoats in the eyes of a major entertainment conglomerate.

I don't want our fandom to be embarrassed.

Fans may not realize how their activities, and how they present their promotions, look to a studio. Since Serenity Day is being organized as more than just fans doing a buying push... it's being set up with big expectations and being aimed right at Universal for its attention... and hoped for respect.

I honestly feel that June 23rd is too soon to be the big "we're gonna show Universal what we can do" day. If all kinds of delcarations of achieving great things are made beforehand, I dread that a lackluster sales performance will turn around and hurt our fandom.

We're talkin' about impressing a major studio here. They're impressed by big, BIG sales figures. Those kinds of sales need time to nurture and grow. So yeah, I'm fighting for September 30th. I also feel strongly that it's the right day to designate as "Serenity Day". That's when the big premiere for the general release of Serenity happened... and right there at Universal Studios. Joss was there, the BDHs were there, the press, and HUNDREDS of cheering, deliriously happy Browncoats! It was an amazing day and night. THAT was Serenity Day.

I'm here fighting for what I believe is the best thing for Firefly/Serenity... and I've been doing this for over 3 and half years. It's not about taking over... it's about doing what's right.

And I do this out of love... fierce love.

11th Hour

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Thursday, April 27, 2006 8:34 PM

So far I have the impression that 11th Hour doesn't want to lead, she wants to help. I think she wanted to sit this one out, but things are going in a bad direction, and she's trying to help sort it out.
And she does have a point... I haven't had the time for a recount on this thread, but Sept 30th does clearly seem to win, so I wonder how Kaele ended up with her figures.
So please don't give 11th Hour shit because she's trying to be CONSTRUCTIVE and HELP. People yelling "IT'S A RUTTIN' COUP!" is less constructive criticism, Piz.

So when Kaele interprets the vote results in an omnious way, it's fine by you, but if a veteran corrects her and goes out of her way to look through this thread and makes a list with who voted for what, you step up and attack her?
I'd like to add that I knew none of the people on here before I joined 3 weeks ago, so I have no ties to anyone and know next to nothing about them.
I did not get the impression, however, that 11th Hour is a power hungry maniac who's been deceiving people on here for years, just waiting for her big opportunity to enslave us. If she had wanted the lead, she would have said so back then. And probably have gotten it.
Or is there some dark, terrible secret from her past that I don't know about?

So chiiiiiiiill, Piz.

Btw, I don't care who leads this thing, as a matter of fact, as long as they're doing a good job.

Serenity Summer Campaign for teh win!1!!

BROWNCOATS UNITE!

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Thursday, April 27, 2006 9:10 PM

NOSADSEVEN

Add me to the Sept. 30th list.

Many people are stressing how much better that date is outside of the whole SN/EN issue, and I agree.

But I want to step up and say that I agree with b!X on the June 23rd thing, and I want to explain why, since so many people have expressed a non-understanding of his discontent.

B!X has a crappy bedside manner. He always has. (Diz was spot-on referring to 'tangles' with him.) But... he is an artist. He puts a thematic integrity into his work that transcends the seemingly mundane 'purpose' of his projects, and I respect and admire his ability to do so. Like any artist, he will fight to preserve that which he has crafted. To an extent, it is his 'elitism', his 'egotism' which so many are decrying, that allows him to stick with his vision and create something...more.

I don't begrudge him wishing to maintain that vision. The Serenity Day slogan appears to value that same kind of integrity: "One day." "One mission." "One Browncoat Army." First, how does that jive with two days, seperate missions, and multiple factions of Browncoats? Is that really what Serenity Day wants? Second, with that kind of slogan, and that date, Serenity Day ads are inherently co-opting the SN/EN. It says so right there!

The SN/EN screenings have a different theme, a different purpose, and a different goal than Serenity Day. Not necessarily better, not more important, just different. Different enough that I can't see them co-existing on the same day without taking away from both.

It's like if you had one stage, and three bands playing different music at the same time. What may be beautiful and affecting individually, becomes nothing more than offensive noise together. The solution isn't play louder than the other band, it's wait your turn and coordinate with the other players so that everyone can enjoy the music.

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Thursday, April 27, 2006 11:36 PM

I agree for the most part, although I'm not into cooky artists (and I meet quite a few in my line of work). I study illustration (well, since I already have been make a living from doing comics and illustrations and such for 4 years now, I kinda haven't been attending university that often, but technically, I'm a student), and there's a group of artsy comic book artists. They frown upon mainstream and commercialism and want to express themselves through their weird ass comics.
So they selfpublished a comic book with their works, and then complained that nobody wanted to read it.
So B!x should ask himself if SN/EN is about charity or his desire to express himself.
Don't get me wrong, I like arts, but artists are a strenuous bunch.
What you just said underlines the picture I have of him, just now I have a possible reason for his behaviour. I now think trying to talk to him is even less useful. But this isn't about him anymore.

Anyways, I nevertheless totally agree that the buying frenzy should be on sept 30th, Serenity Day.

The slogan is useless now, anyways, since people seem to like the Serenity Summer Campaign idea, and so do I, and the "one army" thing would be a joke if we would chose the June date. Things like that would have been negotiale, though, if B!x is not interested in negotiating.

We can avoid this trouble altogether if we go with the sept 30th date, which is better for all manner of reasons which I'm not gonna repeat here again, anyways.

Serenity Summer Campaign for teh win!1!!

BROWNCOATS UNITE!

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Friday, April 28, 2006 12:12 AM

WHOISRIVER

NoSadSeven, there should be a law requiring you post online more often (and yes, I'm being serious).

I don't believe 11th Hour has any intention of taking over this effort, and as much as I've posted about it (okay, not that much) I wouldn't want to take it over either.

Fan campaigns are massive amounts of effort, and very time consuming. I should know - I've done many with Firefly/Serenity.

That said, there's absolutely no harm in offering advice on these things.

Here's a realistic take on things:

If you want to show Universal the fan base can be powerful enough to make another motion picture viable (which is one of the project goals on the website), you need a vast, vast fan movement. At the moment, there's probably a few hundred people on Fireflyfans aware of the effort. That's about 0.05% of the amount of people aware of the project that you'd need to show Universal an impact...

Fixing that will take a long time, to make everybody aware, and convince people to get involved.

By saying this, do I want to take over said project? Nope. Again with the massive amounts of time and effort it'll require. It's clear from the reactions outside of this site that -- if the basic idea is pitched -- people bork at the idea. With more explaination, people will probably get on board. Actually getting that message out is going to take a long time. Events running through the summer is probably a good way to raise general awareness of the project.

With anything like this, people get protective of both the show/movie and the fandom. If people don't know who you are, they won't trust you. It's as simple as that - I learnt that the hard way repeatedly over 2005.

Regarding September 30th, I've no plans for that date now. Anything I'd do would use another date (as I can guarentee other people will try to use that date later down the line - that'll be a fun day).

--gossi

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Friday, April 28, 2006 3:29 AM

DAYVE

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Originally posted by 11thHour:
]JUNE 23rd (17 Votes):
Dayve

Damn Diebold voting machine.....

actually, i am in the september 30th camp....(as my post indicated), however after revisiting this thread (until my eyeballs started to bleed)..... i like the 'Summer of Serenity' idea just fine...

but i really did vote for 9/30...... so double check those tallys folks....

Somewhere,
sometime,
when you least expect it...

Smile you're on misbehaving camera....

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Friday, April 28, 2006 3:40 AM

The default Serenity Summer Campaign plan has Serenity Day set on Sept 30th, anyways.
Glad you agree.

Serenity Summer Campaign for teh win!1!!

BROWNCOATS UNITE!

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Friday, April 28, 2006 3:44 AM

BROWNCOATCRUSADER

We should push every day. the sci-fi cons are a great launch pad but i think that every body should try to get a new brown coat once a week.

If you leave, we all die****Jayne in "Out of Gas"

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Friday, April 28, 2006 3:49 AM

(a) is there a central list of all email adresses of all FFF members, and if so can we get it

(b) would anyone object to a mass emailing?

One summer.
One mission.
One army of Browncoats.

And a bunch of Rings that make Shiny people do silly things!

Starting June 23rd, we aim to misbehave!

Nathan doesn't know it yet, but I am his one true love! Is that weird?
(he will believe, he will believe)

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Friday, April 28, 2006 4:06 AM