Profits of the Here and Now by RiveR6213

I was just going to make coffee when I saw this thread. It appears that I started it and don't even remember starting it. Something tells me that I'm experiencing some split-personality action here, but on the whole, I agree with the thread, so no harm done.

Anyway. Prez Bush and his Administration are behaving in a way that the American people would not have put up with, with past presidents, and we continue to let them get away with it!!! Am I missing something here? What is different with this administration compared to all the other past ones?

Also, I'm still trying to find out who this "Pete" guy is that's been ringing my phone off the hook, and leaving Firefly related messages on my answering machine. Is there a Pete on this board? If there is, your messages are creepifying so stop it.

The spoiled Brat River

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Sunday, April 30, 2006 5:37 AM

NUCLEARDAY

Don't look at me, I voted for Kerry :) (Not that I liked him overmuch, either, come to think of it...)

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You can take my hope when you pry it from my cold, dead fingers.

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Sunday, April 30, 2006 5:39 AM

so i guess we should leave iraq and bring all the troops home. get rid of bush and hope that the terrorist dont come back over here and bomb us again. then people would say , why did we leave iraq. iraq is booming and growing. every country has a rough start after new govt. has begun. we had the same thing when this country was started. the world owes us! we help every little country out of what ever trouble they are in. when the hurricanes hit new orleans did any cjounrty that we helped come and help us??? no. but lets see france would be talking german right now if our 30,000 troops didnt die at normady. so who are they to talk bad about us. they should be kissing our feet. this counrty needs to understand that if someone in the white house had no balls we would still have 9-11 and still be waiting on the UN to do something. if that is the way to do things, (to wait on the UN and the other countrys to say it is ok to move) then we are in more trouble then we know. this pres. had his county attacked. he went out after them. he didnt pull a clinton and say "well what should we do, MR. UN???" clinton had many times to go after the bastards and choose not to. that is why 9-11 happened. how many times can you kick someone and they dont do anything before you can put a gun to their head and pull the trigger. we were kick enough. they picked on the wrong dog on the porch! iraq is now safer and growning. true bush might now be the best pres. but at least he is standing his ground and not moving because of the UN. he is looking out for the USA. the world doesnt hate us. we help. after the title wave , we bent over backwards to help. and what thanks did we get?? they said get out by march. oh well your are welcome.

if the US sat back and did nothing, we would still come under fire for other world leaders. the way i see it is that if we are so gorram bad, then all the illegals sould leave and we lock down the boaders and stop all federal aid to all the bitching countrys.

then we will see a differance in attitude torward the USA. people dont understand, ok we lost 2,500 troops in iraq. i am sorry for the families, but freedom is not free. we lost 30,000 marines in the span of a few days at Midway island in WWII. how long have we been in iraq, 3-4 years. the war is not that bad. true there is civil war in iraq. just like we had civil war. but it will pass and we will make a difference, again. the usa is the counrty i love, and if that includes bush then so be it. i support my pres. and the troops. you cant support the troops and not support the bush. the troops belive in bush. every one i have thanked and talked too, said they are making a differance and want to help the people of iraq to be a better country. saddam was another hitler. rape camps and murder. he set all that up. we took it down and gave the country back to its people. i think alot of bush hating is because people dont understand. in 20 years or so, people will look back and say" thank god he did what he did, or it could be 10 times worse"

this pain we have to deal with is temporary. it will pass in time. i am sure it will. look at it this way if we leave, just think about how many Mal's will have to come home. this is the greatest country in the world. if you dont think so then how come so many people are trying to get over here.

God Bless America

Keep Flying!!

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Sunday, April 30, 2006 6:26 AM

No one even mentioned pulling our troops out of Iraq. At this point a quick pullout by us will do more harm than good. You just assumed that because I am not pleased with the actions of our current prez and his croonies.

I'm talking about the policies that this idiot and his boyz are and have put into place since that idiot got *cough* elected. I say impeach his azz, throw the bum out. He's bad for most of us and the world really hates us now and have nothing good to say about North America.

At this point, i would rather have Ronald Reagan back even though I hated him and his policies...anything is better than what we currently have running this country.

Well, that's enough hate and meaness. Off to church I go to pay for my wickedness.

God bless the World

The hungover, caffinated, despairing River

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Sunday, April 30, 2006 6:30 AM

DEEPGIRL187

Quote:
Originally posted by nuclearday:
Don't look at me, I voted for Kerry :) (Not that I liked him overmuch, either, come to think of it...)

Same here.

At last.
We can retire and give up
this life of crime.

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Sunday, April 30, 2006 6:36 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by EvilDinosaur:
About half the country is wondering the same thing. though I think the 2 biggest reasons are: 1) People didn't want to change presidents in the middle of a war, and 2) the democrats picked a bad candidate to go up against him.

"Haha, mine is an evil laugh."

I like your name! LOL!!!

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Sunday, April 30, 2006 7:39 AM

THEJEAN

If only we could have voted for Mal.... Bush reminds me of a person that is unable to recover from a head injury (perpetually concussed?). His administration is akin to the evil Alliance in my book

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Sunday, April 30, 2006 7:53 AM

EMPXENU

Quote:
Originally posted by Tholo:
when the hurricanes hit new orleans did any cjounrty that we helped come and help us??? no.

I think that's due to the help being refused. At least Fidel offered to send some medics and such over. Don't know if it was accepted but I doubt it.

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Frog blast the vent core!

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Sunday, April 30, 2006 7:58 AM

Well for one thing, strictly speaking, American's didn't elect him this time around either.

The vote rigging made a little news, but not as much as it should have. In several places, enough to turn at least one state, democratic votes were counted as libertarian votes, meaning that even though more votes went to Kerry than to Bush more votes were counted for Bush.

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Of course that only made a difference because the votes were so close, and for that I have no answer.

Some people say that it had to do with gay marriage, but those who were against it said that they wanted to make sure that nothing happened to church marriages, which is something that has nothing to do with Bush or Kerry.

Some people say that it was because Kerry was a flip-flopper, ignoring the fact that Bush changes stances just as often, if not more so.

Those are the things I heard most often. There was also the fact that Kerry voted ninety something times to raise taxes once, which one would think would go against the flipping charge, after all how many of you have actively avoided changing your stance on a single thing more than ninety times?

There was also a question of Kerry leaving Vietnam when he did, which I never understood because it would have been illegal for him to stay longer, I suppose he could have gone AWOL in order to keep fighting.

Actually as I make this list I don’t remember there being any reasons FOR Bush, so I guess it wasn’t so much that people were voting for Bush as it was they were voting against Kerry.

There was also a lack of honesty in the debates, the one that stands out in my mind was actually in the Vice Presidential Debate. Cheney said that he had never met Edwards before that day when they’d been eating dinner together on national television just a little while before.

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Sunday, April 30, 2006 8:11 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Tholo:
when the hurricanes hit new orleans did any cjounrty that we helped come and help us??? no.

Actually they did. Countries all over the world came to help us, and Bush turned them all away. Were you not watching the news?

In spite of the fact that Bush refused their help many of those countries went through alternate channels to give us aid.

Don't criticize others because you don’t know what you’re talking about. They did come to help us and anyone who cared enough about the people in New Orleans take an interest for more than 15 minutes would have known it.

Where were you when the hurricane hit? Playing video games? Writing hate speech? You obviously weren’t trying to help anyone otherwise you would have known about the others who were doing the same thing.

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Sunday, April 30, 2006 8:13 AM

KHYRON

Quote:
Originally posted by Tholo:
when the hurricanes hit new orleans did any cjounrty that we helped come and help us??? no.

The "richest" country in the world (national debt doesn't really seem to matter anymore), the country that can afford to spend almost a billion dollars a day in an illegal war, a war it went into almost single-handedly, needs help from other countries when a disaster strikes home? I'm not saying "let the Americans sort out their own problems", but when America sends help to other countries, it's because those countries don't have the resources to help themselves. America does, in theory at least, have the resources.

Besides, your point is invalid since other countries did send help: http://hnn.us/articles/22136.html. Try doing a bit of research next time.

EDIT: Lol ChrisTheCynic, seems like the same thing peeved us off and provoked a response at the same time.

Other people can occasionally be useful, especially as minions. I want lots of minions.

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Sunday, April 30, 2006 8:19 AM

KHYRON

Quote:
Originally posted by RolandReynolds:
FF fans around here are pretty good at talking politics, as far as talking politics goes, and they do it over on that board pretty frequently.

Pretty frequently? We never stop!

Other people can occasionally be useful, especially as minions. I want lots of minions.

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Sunday, April 30, 2006 9:12 AM

Knowing what we know about our current administration we should be rioting and protesting in the streets, but we are not. We don't want any interruption to our beer and television sets. We are taking all of this on our collective backs like the good, docile little sheep’s we are.

Why do we not do anything about our own government? Whatever happened to "We the People?" This current administration is playing us, and treating us like we are children, and now there are talks about going into Iran. When will we put the brakes on our own government?

In the end we are going to get what we deserve.

River sticks another needle into the voodoo doll she made to look like The Citizen.

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Sunday, April 30, 2006 9:26 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by RolandReynolds:
Hi there,

I think you will find that you will receive more, and probably better responses to this kind of a topic in this board's Real World Discussion thread. I'll paste the URL:

http://www.fireflyfans.net/threadlist.asp?b=18

FF fans around here are pretty good at talking politics, as far as talking politics goes, and they do it over on that board pretty frequently.

Hope that helps :)

“When peace comes to mean the absence of conflict on the one hand, and when conflict with an unjust and racist political order is a moral imperative on the other, then it is not difficult to understand that the better class of human beings are, in fact, deeply committed to disturbing the peace and creating conflict.”
~Farid Esack

If I brought this topic up in the Real World Discussion room, it would have quickly dissolve into a massive dogfight of words, and then when you think things can't get any worse, PirateNews would join the fray, so I decided to start this topic in the General Discussion room where its safe.

River gives Bush a quick kick to the crotch...

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Sunday, April 30, 2006 10:41 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by RiveR6213:
Knowing what we know about our current administration we should be rioting and protesting in the streets, but we are not. We don't want any interruption to our beer and television sets.

It says in the Declaration of Independence:

"Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed."

And that remains true. We will sit back and watch TV so long as the evils of our government are sufferable.

Of course that isn't quite right, France swaps out governments an average of every 24 years (since the revolution at least.) So some people don’t mind abolishing the forums to which they are accustomed, but the Drefus Affair showed that they weren't doing that out of morality or anything like it. (When their morals were publicly challenged they not only supported the government responsible for evils, but also turned it into the record holder for longest lasting French government since the revolution.)

However when it comes to Americans it's true enough, we're laid back people which means we'll take it easy until something becomes unbearable. Look around, we're so laid back it's almost impossible for it to get THAT unbearable.

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Sunday, April 30, 2006 12:26 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by christhecynic:
Quote:
Originally posted by Tholo:
when the hurricanes hit new orleans did any cjounrty that we helped come and help us??? no.

Actually they did. Countries all over the world came to help us, and Bush turned them all away. Were you not watching the news?

In spite of the fact that Bush refused their help many of those countries went through alternate channels to give us aid.

Don't criticize others because you don’t know what you’re talking about. They did come to help us and anyone who cared enough about the people in New Orleans take an interest for more than 15 minutes would have known it.

Where were you when the hurricane hit? Playing video games? Writing hate speech? You obviously weren’t trying to help anyone otherwise you would have known about the others who were doing the same thing.

ok name 5?? hate speech, what was so hatefull?? it is amazing how you people have to resort to name calling to try to make a point? you seem to think you are so smart
, we did help new orleans people, and they abused the hell out of it!! we set up a house here in my town and all they did was bitch. bed was too hard, bed was too soft, food was too cold, cloths didnt fit right and on and on. then fema gives them money and they spent it in TV's and etc. give me a break. when your house was destroyed, why bitch about the loose fitting tshirt someone gave you. oh please, spare me!!

i just think it is going to be pretty funny when get what you want and the whole country goes to hell and a hand basket. fine impeach bush and all his staff. then what!! the country and the whole world will be right as rain. hehe get out of your video game. we are headed down a path that will lead to OUR destruction. you know what i dont care about any other country that cant and wont help themselves. it seems to me you dont what to do that , you just want to bitch and wait for a hand out.

i think it is so easy to put blame on someone else and bush makes a prime target and the dems dont, huh. hate speech, heheh like kerry and hillery clinton and most of the other dems didnt vote "go get iraq!!" oh how we forget.

just remember that you cant speak freely in this country, most of your other buddy countries, cant, stick that in your pipe and smoke it.

Keep Flying!!

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Sunday, April 30, 2006 3:18 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Tholo:
ok name 5??

In alphabetical order here are five:
1 Afghanistan
2 Albania
3 Argentina
4 Armenia
5 Australia

Here are a few more:

Austria
Azerbaijan

The Bahamas
Bahrain
Bangladesh
Belarus
Belgium
Bosnia and Herzegovina

Cambodia
Canada
Chile
Colombia
Cuba
Cyprus
The Czech Republic

Denmark
Djibouti
Dominica
Dominican Republic
Djibouti
Ecuador
Egypt
El Salvador
Equatorial Guinea

Finland
France

Gabon
Georgia
Germany
Greece
Guatemala
Guyana

Honduras
Hungary

Iceland
India
Indonesia
Iran
Iraq
Republic of Ireland
Israel
Italy

Jamaica
Japan
Jordan

Kenya
South Korea
Kosovo
Kuwait

Latvia
Lithuania
Luxembourg
Malaysia
Maldives
Mauritania
Malta
Mexico
Mongolia

Nepal
The Netherlands
New Zealand
Nicaragua
Nigeria
Norway

Pakistan
Palau
Papua New Guinea
Paraguay
Peru
The Philippines
Poland
Portugal

Qatar

Romania
Russia

Saudi Arabia
Singapore
Slovakia
Slovenia
Spain
Sri Lanka
Sweden
Switzerland

Taiwan
Thailand
Tunisia
Turkey

Uganda
United Arab Emirates
United Kingdom

Venezuela
Vietnam

Yemen

Quote:
hate speech, what was so hatefull??

I didn't say anything was, just like I didn't say you were playing video games. However when you know that Kuwait alone offered us $500,000,000 and claim we were offered no help it reeks of distain at least.

I mean someone walks up to you and says, "Hey, want five hundred million US dollars?" and you say, "No, coming from you that is nothing," and it is more than somewhat rude.

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Sunday, April 30, 2006 4:02 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by christhecynic:
Quote:
Originally posted by Tholo:
ok name 5??

In alphabetical order here are five:
1 Afghanistan
2 Albania
3 Argentina
4 Armenia
5 Australia

Here are a few more:

Austria
Azerbaijan

The Bahamas
Bahrain
Bangladesh
Belarus
Belgium
Bosnia and Herzegovina

Cambodia
Canada
Chile
Colombia
Cuba
Cyprus
The Czech Republic

Denmark
Djibouti
Dominica
Dominican Republic
Djibouti
Ecuador
Egypt
El Salvador
Equatorial Guinea

Finland
France

Gabon
Georgia
Germany
Greece
Guatemala
Guyana

Honduras
Hungary

Iceland
India
Indonesia
Iran
Iraq
Republic of Ireland
Israel
Italy

Jamaica
Japan
Jordan

Kenya
South Korea
Kosovo
Kuwait

Latvia
Lithuania
Luxembourg
Malaysia
Maldives
Mauritania
Malta
Mexico
Mongolia

Nepal
The Netherlands
New Zealand
Nicaragua
Nigeria
Norway

Pakistan
Palau
Papua New Guinea
Paraguay
Peru
The Philippines
Poland
Portugal

Qatar

Romania
Russia

Saudi Arabia
Singapore
Slovakia
Slovenia
Spain
Sri Lanka
Sweden
Switzerland

Taiwan
Thailand
Tunisia
Turkey

Uganda
United Arab Emirates
United Kingdom

Venezuela
Vietnam

Yemen

Quote:
hate speech, what was so hatefull??

I didn't say anything was, just like I didn't say you were playing video games. However when you know that Kuwait alone offered us $500,000,000 and claim we were offered no help it reeks of distain at least.

I mean someone walks up to you and says, "Hey, want five hundred million US dollars?" and you say, "No, coming from you that is nothing," and it is more than somewhat rude.

what sources???

Keep Flying!!

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Sunday, April 30, 2006 4:04 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by christhecynic:
Quote:
Originally posted by Tholo:
ok name 5??

In alphabetical order here are five:
1 Afghanistan
2 Albania
3 Argentina
4 Armenia
5 Australia

Here are a few more:

Austria
Azerbaijan

The Bahamas
Bahrain
Bangladesh
Belarus
Belgium
Bosnia and Herzegovina

Cambodia
Canada
Chile
Colombia
Cuba
Cyprus
The Czech Republic

Denmark
Djibouti
Dominica
Dominican Republic
Djibouti
Ecuador
Egypt
El Salvador
Equatorial Guinea

Finland
France

Gabon
Georgia
Germany
Greece
Guatemala
Guyana

Honduras
Hungary

Iceland
India
Indonesia
Iran
Iraq
Republic of Ireland
Israel
Italy

Jamaica
Japan
Jordan

Kenya
South Korea
Kosovo
Kuwait

Latvia
Lithuania
Luxembourg
Malaysia
Maldives
Mauritania
Malta
Mexico
Mongolia

Nepal
The Netherlands
New Zealand
Nicaragua
Nigeria
Norway

Pakistan
Palau
Papua New Guinea
Paraguay
Peru
The Philippines
Poland
Portugal

Qatar

Romania
Russia

Saudi Arabia
Singapore
Slovakia
Slovenia
Spain
Sri Lanka
Sweden
Switzerland

Taiwan
Thailand
Tunisia
Turkey

Uganda
United Arab Emirates
United Kingdom

Venezuela
Vietnam

Yemen

Quote:
hate speech, what was so hatefull??

I didn't say anything was, just like I didn't say you were playing video games. However when you know that Kuwait alone offered us $500,000,000 and claim we were offered no help it reeks of distain at least.

I mean someone walks up to you and says, "Hey, want five hundred million US dollars?" and you say, "No, coming from you that is nothing," and it is more than somewhat rude.

what sources???

Keep Flying!!

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Sunday, April 30, 2006 4:13 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by EmpXenu:
Quote:
Originally posted by Tholo:
when the hurricanes hit new orleans did any cjounrty that we helped come and help us??? no.

I think that's due to the help being refused. At least Fidel offered to send some medics and such over. Don't know if it was accepted but I doubt it.

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Frog blast the vent core!

but we are hated by the world, so lets just let everybody come over and help, thats a smart idea, hahaa. cuba sends in "medics" and next thing ya know another 9-11. i dont think that would have been a good idea. but oh well.

another country showed up on the radar, the sudan is needing our help, because another saddam type of govt. is killing people. so what do we do folks, show up and help like iraq, or sit back and do nothing. if we help, here comes the bush bashing, if we do nothing, here comes the bush bashing, hahaah sounds like patriotism to me. what a country.

Keep Flying!!

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Sunday, April 30, 2006 5:25 PM

Bush-bashing should be included in the Olympic Games.

River

When the day has gone gray, nothings wrong with Molly's smile...

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Sunday, April 30, 2006 6:23 PM

ROLANDREYNOLDS

Quote:
If I brought this topic up in the Real World Discussion room, it would have quickly dissolve into a massive dogfight of words, and then when you think things can't get any worse, PirateNews would join the fray, so I decided to start this topic in the General Discussion room where its safe.

Point made. Can't fault that logic. I wasn't aware the location of the posting was deliberate, but good call.

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Sunday, April 30, 2006 6:43 PM

KHYRON

Quote:
Originally posted by River6213:
If I brought this topic up in the Real World Discussion room, it would have quickly dissolve into a massive dogfight of words, and then when you think things can't get any worse, PirateNews would join the fray, so I decided to start this topic in the General Discussion room where its safe.

As somebody that hangs out in RWED quite often, I'd have to say that that is probably one of the best descriptions of what happens over there that I've seen so far.

Quote:
Originally posted by Tholo:
but we are hated by the world, so lets just let everybody come over and help, thats a smart idea, hahaa. cuba sends in "medics" and next thing ya know another 9-11. i dont think that would have been a good idea. but oh well.

Okay, so first you moan that nobody sends help, and then you seem to be glad that nobody came (they did come, but it seems you ignored that) because we would've just had another 911. Alright then.

Quote:
Originally posted by Tholo:
another country showed up on the radar, the sudan is needing our help, because another saddam type of govt. is killing people. so what do we do folks, show up and help like iraq, or sit back and do nothing. if we help, here comes the bush bashing, if we do nothing, here comes the bush bashing, hahaah sounds like patriotism to me. what a country.

Lol, I seriously doubt America would come over to Sudan to aid it, at least not under its own will. Rwandan genocide: nothing. Mugabe dictatorship: nothing. In fact, ANY African dictatorship (except maybe Libya): nothing. In Somalia they did do something, but that was in the context of a (failed) UN mission. African countries don't have enough precious resources to be of interest, so there's no reason to "liberate" them from any dictators. If America were to be involved in a squirmish that didn't involve protecting and securing its own interests, I think a lot of people would be far less cynical.

Other people can occasionally be useful, especially as minions. I want lots of minions.

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Sunday, April 30, 2006 9:50 PM

CHRISMOORHEAD

Because you live in a country where the majority of people are stupid enough to beleive that all of their opinions can be summed up and divided into two political parties.

People are sheep. All it takes is for one asshole to say, "Voting for a third party is like throwing your vote away", and a good majority will agree. I can't tell you the amount of personal situations where I got fucked over because everyone said, "Well I'D like to, but I don't think everyone else would...". If you're ALL saying that, then what's the problem? The problem is NONE of you have enough fortitude to step forward, and because YOU are all cowards you cause us ALL to suffer.

FUCK... I wish I drank alcohol...

Have you ever:
Used your teeth as wire strippers?
Given yourself stitches?
Made improvised munitions with no base supplies?
Pissed in a canteen?
Gone a month without bathing?

If so, you MIGHT just be a !HOOAH MOTHERF*CKER!

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Monday, May 1, 2006 12:03 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

Quote:
Originally posted by SigmaNunki:
Quote:
Originally posted by RiveR6213:

How was it possible for George Bush to get reelected...how?

Not an American. Just got a correction. It's elected, not re-elected. He was appointed the first time 'round.

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"We're in a giant car heading into a brick wall at 100 miles/hr and everybody's arguing about where they want to sit."
-David Suzuki

An actual American here, and got another correction. G.W.Bush was elected and then re-elected. It is in part the problem of those who don't like W who can't get over the first fact, that is Bush WAS elected in 2000. Also, there really wasn't much of a choice, what w/ AlGore and John ( Did you know I served in Vietnam? )Kerry.

Don't know why this post hasn't been moved to Real World Events, but it is a bit pointless, regardless.

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Monday, May 1, 2006 5:01 AM

Isn’t it funny whenever a person questions our vaunted, current leadership, they are treated as though they are unpatriotic? This thread is not pointless. My whole point regarding this thread was that we currently have a seriously corrupt administration, more corrupt than previous ones to the point where they are being blatant about it. I say put them up against the wall, or at least start some impeachment proceedings.

And regarding the location of this thread....I didn’t want to have to deal with Piratenews showing up with 90 pages of photos of abortions, and other shock value, alarmist items.

BTW, I'm an American, which brings me to another point...how is it possible that we Americans can put up with this administration? The Americans of the 40s wouldn’t have put up with anything like this from their President; especially being lied too.

We should be rioting, and protesting our collective heads off, but no! We sit down like little Muppets and proudly proclaim that we are Americans and support an administration of crooks, thieves and liars.

I hate when I stumble across a Bush supporter. It makes me suspect that, that person hasn’t been keeping up on current events, but I could be wrong.

River

Throw the bum out!

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Monday, May 1, 2006 5:59 AM

River

He was elected because (a) the Democrats didn't have a good alternative (b) Bush did a bang up job of scaring the hell out of conservative america after 911 (c) Democrats (and I am one) are too busy in-fighting and trying to look like they aren't too progressive (d) sometimes smart people do stupid things.

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Monday, May 1, 2006 6:00 AM

KAYLEESTHEGREATEST

because he was cool back in the days when so many americans weren,t dying dead or wounded

Someday the verse will spit in your soup but at least they gave you soup.
one day
one plan
one mission
one army of browncoats
june 23rd serenity day

-Our mission as browncoats is to make us known.

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Monday, May 1, 2006 6:03 AM

Unfortunately, we will never be able to impeach a Republican President when there is a Republican majority. It just won't happen.

If you don't want to continue down this road, Vote, encourage everyone you know to vote and encorage them to encourage others.

Unfortunately, there just weren't enough anti-Bush votes.

I will say that I have a very hard time understanding anyone, other than a White Anglo-Saxon, Protestant male being a republican.

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Monday, May 1, 2006 7:40 AM

Well that's just too bad. We are all going to pay for our lack of vision one day in this country.....you mark my words.

This is going to sound strange, but I'm a combination of Republican and Liberal. I totally believe in making a profit...that's the sort of thing that drives this economy, but also I believe that the beginning of making a profit is people. People come first before making a profit.

A lot of companies rule their workers like they are expendable, like they have no value, and are just a number. A lot of these companies also don't share their workers in on the profits, which in my opinion, makes the worker not want to put is or her all into the company.

In my company I may be a complete bitch, and a robot, but all my workers know that they come 1st, and that they reap what I reap when things are going great. In turn, my workers practically kill themselves making a profit for my company because they know that they are also doing it for themselves. They win, I win, and the people receiving our services win.

In the case of George W. Bush. if this country was a business, he does not put the people here 1st. He's a CEO that's into this business for himself, and his friends....the rest of us are just fodder.

I hate him

River

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Monday, May 1, 2006 10:48 AM

SIGMANUNKI

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

An actual American here, and got another correction. G.W.Bush was elected and then re-elected. It is in part the problem of those who don't like W who can't get over the first fact, that is Bush WAS elected in 2000.

Well I'm not an american, but I was watching the news at that time. Regardless of what happened afterward, or what voting results came afterward (including the conflicting results), he was appointed. That's just a fact.

Also, those election results that say that he was elected are contradicted by results that say he wasn't. There was so much crap that happened in that election that we'll never actually know what went on, nor who actually won.

So, go ahead and cherry pick the results that agree with what you want to believe. The rest of use will just agree that he was appointed (at least in the beginning), and we'll never know the actual outcome of those election results due to massive corruption.

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"We're in a giant car heading into a brick wall at 100 miles/hr and everybody's arguing about where they want to sit."
-David Suzuki

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Tuesday, May 2, 2006 4:38 AM

http://decider.cf.huffingtonpost.com/

Thought you might like this!

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Tuesday, May 2, 2006 4:42 AM

What you may not understand is that the question in that election was about the "popular" vote by the people. Presidents are actually elected by the electoral college. The electoral college is SUPPOSED to vote as the people want, but they don't have to.

So, unfortunately, Bush was, in fact, elected. He was not "appointed".

edited to include this link http://www.fairvote.org/op_eds/electoral_college.htm

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Tuesday, May 2, 2006 5:45 AM

TLCINVT

I just wanted to join in on this.... since I am an American, and although he won both elections, I didn't vote for Bush either time around.

The first time Bush was elected (or appointed, if you prefer) the votes came out basically a tie. There was major controversy about the validity of some of the votes, and the processes used to count votes in general. The state of Florida was counted several times before it was determined to be a vote for Bush. This unfortunately was the deciding state, and Bush was given the Presidency, though many Americans felt that the count was not done right.

The second time he was in the running, it wasn't as close as the first election, but Bush still came out slightly on top. Both times my state (Vermont) was a vote for the Democratic Party, but our state is only one vote, and not enough to make a big difference.

So that is what happened both elections, without really giving a good explanation as to why Bush won either time. In my opinion, although I believe America is still a great country, is that the system doesn't really work. For one, we don't vote on the best person for the job anymore. In my lifetime, I can't honestly say anyone who made it to the final election was worth voting into office. Instead, we often have to vote for the less of two or more "evils". We have to try and vote for the person who will do the least damage, because there isn't anyone really worth voting for. Also, the system in general needs revising. I can't honestly say how long we have been using the same system, but with the problems with votes in the past, it indicates that they need to make improvements, to ensure the right person is being put into office.

And finally... I am tired of all the people who are not Americans making judgement on the United States as a whole, based on this Presidency. The majority of Americans would send Bush packing if we could, and the polls all show that we don't like anything he has done or is doing. He currently has something like 24% popularity vote, which is really low. Bush is not a representative of what a true American is, and we should not all be judged based on this crazy and incompetant man.

I have been to many countries, and though I am not an expert on government, it seems to me that every one of them has their problems. It is true that America is in a bad place right now, but that doesn't mean we should be put down, or taken out of the count. Even Mal gave Jayne a second chance after trying to sell out River and Simon in Ariel.... A lifetime can't be judged on one or two decisions. Our country also shouldn't be judged on two bad decisions, or on the man in charge as a result of them.

Anyway, just ranting here... hope someone finds it interesting.

You can't take the skies from me....
tlcinvt

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Tuesday, May 2, 2006 5:51 AM