Tiny Teaser for I, Robot by BRTick

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Tiny Teaser for I, Robot

POSTED BY: BRTICK
UPDATED: Monday, December 22, 2003 17:20
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Saturday, December 20, 2003 12:58 AM

a Tiny Teaser fo I, Robot. the teaser is an Ad for the robots in the film.
Alan Tudyk(Wash) Plays the CGI Robot in the film based on the story by Isaac Asimov.

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Keep Flying!

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Saturday, December 20, 2003 3:57 AM

TEELABROWN

Very odd. Really, incredibally odd. I read that book, it was good. I don't remember that robot, though. Is it Robbie? Or someone else? I like the end of that trailer, though. "3 laws safe". I still remember those. (Well, the basic idea, not quite ready to quote, though)

Keep flyin'! Happy Holidays!

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"Freedom is the Freedom to say that 2+2 makes 4. If that is granted, all else follws"-Winston, 1984
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Saturday, December 20, 2003 6:49 AM

SARAHETC

Slick!

The I, Robot site: http://www.irobotnow.com/index.php

I built my own yesterday and was mildly chagrined to find there was no "kooky luau shirt" or "wacky fun" option.

I love how the advertising says over and over again, "3 Laws Safe." Oh really?

I'm a dying breed who still believes, haunted by American dreams. ---Neko Case

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Saturday, December 20, 2003 2:23 PM

TEELABROWN

Well, Sarah, it depends on what story you read. It is a short story stroy book. Anyway, I don't remember what it's called, but the programmers changed the first law, so someone almost got hurt/killed.

Well, that's it. Happy Holidays!

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"Freedom is the Freedom to say that 2+2 makes 4. If that is granted, all else follws"-Winston, 1984
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Sunday, December 21, 2003 7:03 PM

The "Three Laws of Robotics" are as follows:

1. A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm.

2. A robot must obey the orders given it by human beings except where such orders conflict with the First law.

3. A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second law.

Isaac Asimov, in his books, incorporated these laws as the base programming of all sentient robots. However, in "I, Robot", a robot named Sonny (Alan Tudyk) is allegededly involved in the murder of a prestegious scientist.

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"Humanity takes itself too seriously. It is the world's original sin. If the caveman had known how to laugh, History would have been different." - Lord Henry, 'The Picture of Dorian Gray'

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Sunday, December 21, 2003 7:03 PM

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Sunday, December 21, 2003 8:53 PM

KELSO

This might seem like a silly musing... but I wonder if there are robots in the FIREFLY universe.

On the core planets, perhaps?

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Sunday, December 21, 2003 9:16 PM

REDBADGER

Quote:
Originally posted by Kelso:
This might seem like a silly musing... but I wonder if there are robots in the FIREFLY universe.

On the core planets, perhaps?

Technically I'd call the garbage collector drone in Trash a robot, but it would be interesting to find out (someday, hopefully

) if there were some bots that were a little more analogous to living things crawling about.

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Monday, December 22, 2003 4:28 AM

TEELABROWN

But it goes against the laws that are programmed inside the brain! (Can't remember title of brain. It's p-soemthing). Unless you are stupid enough to change the law input, the robot is incapable of breaking those laws.

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"Freedom is the Freedom to say that 2+2 makes 4. If that is granted, all else follws"-Winston, 1984
Keep flyin', and remember, THEY can't take the sky from US!

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Monday, December 22, 2003 4:41 AM

SARAHETC

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Originally posted by TeelaBrown:
But it goes against the laws that are programmed inside the brain! (Can't remember title of brain. It's p-soemthing). Unless you are stupid enough to change the law input, the robot is incapable of breaking those laws.

Is positronic the word you're looking for?

Regardless of actual robot brains, isn't the whole plot of the movie supposed to be that the robot is 3 Laws Safe but then they think it committed murder or whatever. So having them say 3 Laws Safe over is a great device. It's exposition and foreshadowing all at the same time.

I'm a dying breed who still believes, haunted by American dreams. ---Neko Case

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Monday, December 22, 2003 4:52 AM

TEELABROWN

Thanks for the word. I suppose so. I like that thinking. I must be a paper-man. (That's 30s-slang for one who sticks to the sheet-music, or, in this case, the book.) But nice idea, Sarah.

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"Freedom is the Freedom to say that 2+2 makes 4. If that is granted, all else follws"-Winston, 1984
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Monday, December 22, 2003 10:33 AM

KERNELM

I haven't reread the stories in a while, but many of the Asimov Robot stories (at least the early ones, collected in _I, Robot_) focus on various problems with the Three Laws. Loopholes, contradictions, ambiguities, semantics, etc, are all explored. The workings and failings of the Three Laws are really the focus of a lot of the Robot stories. I don't remember a story about a robot murder suspect, but I do remember at least one where humans were endangered by a robot.

Plus, it's later postulated by one of the robots that there is another Law, the Zeroth Law, which supersedes the previous three. For those who want to know, highlight:

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A robot may not injure humanity, or, through inaction, allow humanity to come to harm.

Of course, the Zeroth Law introduces even more problems for the robots.

There's a nice (very long) paper about Asimov's Laws of Robotics as a thought-experiment at http://www.anu.edu.au/people/Roger.Clarke/SOS/Asimov.html

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Monday, December 22, 2003 1:28 PM

TEELABROWN

Wait, isn't that just plural of the first law?

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Monday, December 22, 2003 1:36 PM

KERNELM

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Originally posted by TeelaBrown:
Wait, isn't that just plural of the first law?

But the key is that it supersedes all the other laws. So, for example, a robot would be allowed to injure one human if doing so saves the rest of humanity. Obviously semantic problems and other ambiguities exist as well.

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Monday, December 22, 2003 1:45 PM

TEELABROWN

Piont. But wouldn't the robot just go somewhat crazy, as in the story "Catch that Rabbit", where the second and third laws contradict?

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"Freedom is the Freedom to say that 2+2 makes 4. If that is granted, all else follws"-Winston, 1984
Keep flyin', and remember, THEY can't take the sky from US!

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Monday, December 22, 2003 1:57 PM

TEELABROWN

(Feel free to reply to my earlier one, this is a short interlude).

Man, I feel so great!

Discussing things I care about and at least my intelligence! (Well, you guys are above, but I can't have everything.)

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"Freedom is the Freedom to say that 2+2 makes 4. If that is granted, all else follws"-Winston, 1984
Keep flyin', and remember, THEY can't take the sky from US!

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Monday, December 22, 2003 3:50 PM

KERNELM

Quote:
Originally posted by TeelaBrown:
Piont. But wouldn't the robot just go somewhat crazy, as in the story "Catch that Rabbit", where the second and third laws contradict?

Well, truth be told, I'm not really that familiar with the Zeroth Law myself, having only read _I, Robot_ and a few of the earlier Robot novels. I think the Zeroth Law was officially postulated in the 80's, though apparently Asimov had been thinking about it since the 50's. As far as I know, the Zeroth Law isn't actually programmed into robots positronically. It seems to be more like a logical consequence of the First Law. Pretty much the only concrete stuff about the Zeroth Law I remember is (major spoilers for _Foundation and Earth_ ahead)

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When Daneel Olivaw talks about it at the end of _Foundation and Earth_. It seems he (or one of his close associates) first realized the Zeroth Law's implied existence, and he set in motion the Foundations. But then there were problems between the First and Zeroth Laws, so he sought to create Gaia so that eventually all of humanity would be one organism, so the Zeroth and First Laws would be the same. I think that's how it worked, anyway... my memory isn't what it used to be. :-P

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Monday, December 22, 2003 5:20 PM

TEELABROWN

You're right. It would be logical to assume that it would also apply to the human race as a whole, not just singular. It would be a consequence of the first law, as you said. I am really liking this little conversation.

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"Freedom is the Freedom to say that 2+2 makes 4. If that is granted, all else follws"-Winston, 1984
Keep flyin', and remember, THEY can't take the sky from US!

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