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Inara and Princess Buttercup

POSTED BY: RYCE
UPDATED: Friday, May 19, 2006 11:50
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Wednesday, May 17, 2006 5:08 PM

RYCE


So I caught part of "The Princess Bride" on tv (love that movie!), and I saw the part where Buttercup is reaching for the knife in the box to kill herself, and it totally struck me as parallel to Inara reaching for/opening the mysterious box in the ep "Serenity"...anyone else see this?

No power in the 'verse can stop me!

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Wednesday, May 17, 2006 5:59 PM

VINTERDRAKEN


Princes bride is such a good move and no, havent noticed that, but on a related note the flask she reaches for isnt a suicide kit.

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Wednesday, May 17, 2006 5:59 PM

VINTERDRAKEN


Princes bride is such a good move and no, havent noticed that, but on a related note the flask she reaches for isnt a suicide kit.

You can’t stop the Signal.
Keep spreading the word about Firefly!

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Wednesday, May 17, 2006 5:59 PM

VINTERDRAKEN


Princes bride is such a good move and no, havent noticed that, but on a related note the flask she reaches for isnt a suicide kit.

You can’t stop the Signal.
Keep spreading the word about Firefly!

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Wednesday, May 17, 2006 5:59 PM

VINTERDRAKEN


Princes bride is such a good move and no, havent noticed that, but on a related note the flask she reaches for isnt a suicide kit.

You can’t stop the Signal.
Keep spreading the word about Firefly!

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Wednesday, May 17, 2006 5:59 PM

VINTERDRAKEN


Princes bride is such a good move and no, havent noticed that, but on a related note the flask she reaches for isnt a suicide kit.

You can’t stop the Signal.
Keep spreading the word about Firefly!

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Wednesday, May 17, 2006 5:59 PM

VINTERDRAKEN


Princes bride is such a good move and no, havent noticed that, but on a related note the flask she reaches for isnt a suicide kit.

You can’t stop the Signal.
Keep spreading the word about Firefly!

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Wednesday, May 17, 2006 9:35 PM

PHOENIXROSE

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.


I can see how those two scenes are fairly similar in their feel, yes. Slowly opening the box and the looks on their faces... Two completely different contexts, of course, but I still see it.
Gorrammit, now I'm gonna hear the line "There's a shortage of perfect breasts in this world. T'would be a pity to damage yours." every time Inara opens her little box!

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Wednesday, May 17, 2006 9:39 PM

COPILOT


Oh neato I can validate watching the Princess Bride again!!!! Wa hoo!!! Sorry I've seem some movies so many times I need a reason to waste so much time watching them again.

An I carried such a torch

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Thursday, May 18, 2006 1:11 AM

DONCOAT


"Hello, my name is Malcolm Reynolds. You killed my faith. Prepare to die!"


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Thursday, May 18, 2006 1:22 AM

VICKY


Yeah i love that moive 2

i just watich it with my boyfriend the other day

but i never notices

maybe i need to watch firefly agine



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Thursday, May 18, 2006 1:26 AM

SIMONWHO


*Zoe and Jayne turn up outside Miracle Max's house with Wash's body in a wheelbarrow*

"He's only mostly dead."

(Hey, it's as convincing as the stuff only the Wash Not Dead thread)


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Thursday, May 18, 2006 1:30 AM

PHOENIXROSE

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.


Quote:

Originally posted by SimonWho:
*Zoe and Jayne turn up outside Miracle Max's house with Wash's body in a wheelbarrow*

"He's only mostly dead."

(Hey, it's as convincing as the stuff on the Wash Not Dead thread)




Aw man, this cracked me up for abut two minutes straight!
Mostly dead!
*more gales of laughter*

"Who are you? Are we enemies? Why is there a gaping hole through my chest? Where's Zoe?"

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Thursday, May 18, 2006 2:06 AM

CHRISTHECYNIC


Quote:

Originally posted by copilot:
Oh neato I can validate watching the Princess Bride again!!!! Wa hoo!!! Sorry I've seem some movies so many times I need a reason to waste so much time watching them again.


Get the DVD, watch it with the commentary on, listen to what the guy says about how and why it did badly in theaters, and then report back to me.

It had the same problems as Firefly and Serenity, you just can't advertise a genre crossing thing.

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I almost forgot:
Quote:

Originally posted by copilot:
Wa hoo!!!


Did anyone else here think of the this:
Ed: Come on. He loved it. He went Wa hoo.
Catherine: Wa hoo?
Ed: When's the last time he said, "Wa hoo"?
Catherine: Well I'm sure I don't know.
Ed: When's the last time you said, "Wa hoo"?
Catherine: Well I'm sure I don't know.

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Thursday, May 18, 2006 4:51 AM

COPILOT


Sorry I didn't support the movie while it was in theaters Chris. Unfortunatly I was 3 when the movie came out. I've never listened to the commentary but hey that might be fun.
Wa Hoo!

An I carried such a torch

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Thursday, May 18, 2006 4:58 AM

DEEPGIRL187


Quote:

Originally posted by copilot:
Sorry I didn't support the movie while it was in theaters Chris. Unfortunatly I was 3 when the movie came out. I've never listened to the commentary but hey that might be fun.
Wa Hoo!



Same here. Though I think I was either 1 or 2 at the time. Course, once it came out on video, I watched it non-stop, along with Labyrinth and Legend. I really do have to get around to picking up on DVD.

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Thursday, May 18, 2006 5:01 AM

SIMONWHO


No film with Stephen Fry, Walter Matthau and Tim Robbins can be all bad.

And there are some movies that will live on for decades. Who cares about, say, The Core or Big Momma's House 2, to name a couple that outgrossed Serenity and The Princess Bride.

The sooner the market is orientated towards films you want to own on disc forever, rather than movies you don't mind watching in a theatre full of rowdy teens, the better.

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Thursday, May 18, 2006 5:24 AM

GRIZWALD


Stephen Fry?

Now I gotta watch it again. I never even spotted him. Nobody tell me, I wanna find him myself.

My favorite line: "I don't even exercise."

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Thursday, May 18, 2006 5:30 AM

DEEPGIRL187


My favorite line: "Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die!"

Just can't get over that one.

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Thursday, May 18, 2006 5:47 AM

CHRISTHECYNIC


What it says in the commentary is more or less that any movie that crosses genres, as both it and Serenity did, is doomed to do badly in theaters because they don't know how to advertise it and when the guy was talking about that I felt like he was describing the problems Serenity and Firefly had wrt advertising perfectly.

The two movies are more alike than one would think.

-

My mother's favorite line is, I think, "Why don't you give me a paper cut and pour lemon juice on it." I don't really have a favorite line, I love the whole movie. And, for the record, I didn't see it in theaters either, I was two at the time.

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Thursday, May 18, 2006 6:03 AM

SIMONWHO


To clarify, Stephen Fry was in IQ, the movie Chris was quoting from. He's also in QI which is even funnier.

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Thursday, May 18, 2006 6:36 AM

WORSHIPMAL


I just love love love that the Browncoats are also so keen on the Princess Bride. This was without a doubt my favorite movie growing up.

Simon: We got cancelled? Inconceivable!
Mal: You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

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Thursday, May 18, 2006 7:23 AM

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Inigo Montoya: Is very strange. I have been in the revenge business so long, now that it's over, I don't know what to do with the rest of my life.

Westley: Have you ever considered piracy? You'd make a wonderful Dread Pirate Roberts.

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Thursday, May 18, 2006 8:12 AM

CHRISTHECYNIC


"You seem a decent fellow, I hate to die."

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Thursday, May 18, 2006 11:25 AM

KEVAR


ooohh I got one:

Kaylee: Please hand me that catalyzer

Simon: as you wish.

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Thursday, May 18, 2006 11:29 AM

SIMONWHO


I've got my wife's death to arrange, Gilda to frame for it: I'm swamped.


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Thursday, May 18, 2006 12:00 PM

LITTLEALBATROSS29


Rodents of unusual size ? I don't believe they exist.



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Thursday, May 18, 2006 12:09 PM

GRIZWALD


For any of you who have only seen the movie but not seen the book, go read it this instant. It's the movie, only more so.

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Our Big Damn Heroes made a film!
I'm gonna see Serenity then
go back the next morning and see it again.
Cuz no one at Fox knew this show had no equal
C'mon Universal, and greenlight the sequel!

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Thursday, May 18, 2006 12:25 PM

SHINY


Quote:

Originally posted by LittleAlbatross29:
Rodents of unusual size ? I don't believe they exist.



Reavers of unusual size? I don't believe they exist.



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Thursday, May 18, 2006 12:28 PM

JOSSISAGOD


Select to view spoiler:


Another interesting tid-bit on both commentary track both Cary Elwes and Joss whedon mention "Waiting for Guffman" Carey because André René Roussimoff AKA Andre The Giant, was taken to school by one of the actors who was in that movie. Joss Because he had an actor from that movie.

Sorry about the spoilers but I have no Idea who has seen the movies mentioned in them.



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Thursday, May 18, 2006 12:40 PM

WORKEROFEVIL


Actually, Andre the Giant was taken to school by Samuel Beckett, the author of Waiting for Godot. Which is pretty cool.

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Thursday, May 18, 2006 12:45 PM

LITTLEALBATROSS29


My husband read the bok to me while I was in labor with my first child. It's extremely sentimental to me.

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Thursday, May 18, 2006 12:47 PM

EMMARIGBY


Quote:

Originally posted by Shiny:
Quote:

Originally posted by LittleAlbatross29:
Rodents of unusual size ? I don't believe they exist.



Reavers of unusual size? I don't believe they exist.



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I don't need a gorram back-spaceship driver!!!



Oh God! I hope they don't! [shivers at the thought] No. It's absolutely inconceivable!!

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Thursday, May 18, 2006 1:11 PM

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I was going nuts, until I just figured this out. There was an ' as you wish ' moment in Angel, S - 5. As I was reading this thread, I thought that it was from Firefly or Serenity, then it hit me.

Select to view spoiler:


It was when Illyria was talking to Wes, I forget which ep. But it's when Illyria is starting to have 'feelings' for Wes, yet he's still repulsed at seeing her in Fred's body.



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Thursday, May 18, 2006 3:27 PM

RMMC


Quote:

Originally posted by SimonWho:
*Zoe and Jayne turn up outside Miracle Max's house with Wash's body in a wheelbarrow*

"He's only mostly dead."



LMAO. Now I've got this in my brain:

MM: There's a big difference between mostly dead and all the way dead. Mostly dead is slightly alive. All dead....well with all dead there's usually only one thing you can do.
Zoe: What's that?
MM: Go through his clothes and look for loose change.

(Jayne perks up)

Zoe (to Jayne): Try it and I'll break every bone in your body.

Huh. From the looks of things in the other posts, we could re-write the Princess Bride entirely using our BDH's.



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Thursday, May 18, 2006 6:35 PM

SINGATE


Quote:

Originally posted by SimonWho:
*Zoe and Jayne turn up outside Miracle Max's house with Wash's body in a wheelbarrow*

"He's only mostly dead."



"Inconceivable!"

"I do not think that word means what you think it means."

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Friday, May 19, 2006 3:48 AM

KEVAR



"In the history of the world, there have been three great kisses. This one put them all to shame."

*SMOOOOCH*

Mal falls to the floor, YoSafBrig heads for the bridge.


This is fun!

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Friday, May 19, 2006 4:32 AM

GIXXER


Digressing, as one does, onto the subject of Toys.

A dead-on impression of Darryl Hannah speaking cetecean in Splash.

And Joan Cusack is great as usual

G


Don't tease me. You know what I do for a living.

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Friday, May 19, 2006 4:46 AM

DECLAN


Quote:

Originally posted by deepgirl187:
My favorite line: "Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die!"



It's been a LONG time since I read the book but, in the book, I seem to recall this line being dead serious and absolutely bone-chilling and relentless. Whereas in the movie it comes across as comic after a while.

The book as I recall played the fantasy story pretty much straight and the humor and the wit was in the frame story about the excised boring parts of the S. Morgenstern "complete" story. But a frame story would have been impossible to film and the humor and wit migrated into the movie and made it much more comic and light-hearted than the book. That said, I do like the movie for itself and it is a tribute to William Goldman as a screenwriter and writer that they were able to make the movie at all.



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Friday, May 19, 2006 4:46 AM

DECLAN


Quote:

Originally posted by deepgirl187:
My favorite line: "Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die!"



It's been a LONG time since I read the book but, in the book, I seem to recall this line being dead serious and absolutely bone-chilling and relentless. Whereas in the movie it comes across as comic after a while.

The book as I recall played the fantasy story pretty much straight and the humor and the wit was in the frame story about the excised boring parts of the S. Morgenstern "complete" story. But a frame story would have been impossible to film and the humor and wit migrated into the movie and made it much more comic and light-hearted than the book. That said, I do like the movie for itself and it is a tribute to William Goldman as a screenwriter and writer that they were able to make the movie at all.



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Friday, May 19, 2006 7:27 AM

FUTUREMRSFILLION


OH lets! Lets rewrite the Princess Bride as BIG DAMN PRINCESS BRIDE.

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Friday, May 19, 2006 7:53 AM

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*Horatio walks in(David Caruso of CSI Maimi), removes his sunglasses and stands silghly sideways looking down at the floor*

"Ahh...but I know something that you do not, my friend. I..... am not left handed."

*Dramatically looks off into the distance.*

........

"Wash is only mostly dead"
That is the funniest thing I have ever read...

Safeat2nd, Chief Handyman of Destiny

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Friday, May 19, 2006 7:56 AM

FUTUREMRSFILLION


Well if we have to have David Caruso - then we REALLY need William Shatner



My........NAME.....is.........Inigo Montoya. YOU.......killed my father......PRE........PARE.........to die.

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Friday, May 19, 2006 7:59 AM

CHRISTHECYNIC


Just once in a movie when the person says, "Hand me your gun ... No! Left hand," I just want the person to whip out the gun and shoot the bastard (be it a male or female bastard.)

In all of the times that people have been forced to give up their guns with their left hand at least one of them must be left handed.

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Yes, that is random.

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Friday, May 19, 2006 8:07 AM

CHRISTHECYNIC


Quote:

Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:
Well if we have to have David Caruso - then we REALLY need William Shatner



My........NAME.....is.........Inigo Montoya. YOU.......killed my father......PRE........PARE.........to die.


You've got the spacing perfect there.

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Friday, May 19, 2006 8:24 AM

FUTUREMRSFILLION


Thankee

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Friday, May 19, 2006 8:27 AM

DAVESHAYNE


Quote:

Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:
OH lets! Lets rewrite the Princess Bride as BIG DAMN PRINCESS BRIDE.



Well lets look at the pairings

Mal/Wesley
Inara/Buttercup
Atherton/Humperdink
Badger/Vizzini
Niska/Count Tyrone Rugen
Crow/The Albino
Jayne/Fezzik

All look solid but I'm having trouble with the rest of the crew.

Simon and Kaylee I guess could come in as Miracle Max and his wife. And Book perhaps as the Grandfather (I know - he never married - but still) with River as The Grandson. That leaves Zoe and Wash to vie for Inigo and I don't see either of them fitting the bill right. Maybe if they both act the part doing the same motions and speaking the lines alternating one word at a time we could gain in surealism what we lose in thematic convergence.

David

"Not completely as well as the series of Firefly..." - From a review of Serenity at amazon.de

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Friday, May 19, 2006 8:32 AM

KEVAR


Zoe: My name is Zoe Washburn, you killed my husband, prepare to die.


Joss: Oh, you're that little Browncoat brat. I should have killed you when I had the chance.

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Friday, May 19, 2006 8:58 AM

CHRISTHECYNIC


Quote:

Originally posted by daveshayne:
Niska/Count Tyrone Rugen


I'm just trying to imagine it, having trouble, help me out here:

Niska: Beautiful, isn't it? It took me half a lifetime to invent it.
Mal: And they say people don't look like their pets.
Niska: I think by now you noticed my deep and abiding interest in pain. Pleasant I'm writing the definitive work on it.
Mal: Starting a book club? You trying to tor- trying to torture me.
Niska: People must know what happened to Malcolm Reynolds, they must know that the machine is still running; so I want you to be totally honest about how the machine makes you feel.

And so on. But that's not very good, or indeed at all funny.

Anyway it was Niska, not Miracle Simon, who brought Mal back to life.

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Friday, May 19, 2006 9:01 AM

MSG


You keep using that word ( inconceivable) I do not think it means what think it means.

Mind you my favorite line ( which is strangely applicable to River) Life is pain highness. Anyone who says differently is selling something.

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Friday, May 19, 2006 9:14 AM

DAVESHAYNE


Quote:

Originally posted by christhecynic:
And so on. But that's not very good, or indeed at all funny.



You don't think so? I thought it was a hoot.

Quote:

Anyway it was Niska, not Miracle Simon, who brought Mal back to life.


Actually it was Niska's henchman who brought Malcolm back to life in War Stories. Simon did the next best thing in Out Of Gas however and we can't have Niska as a good guy and there really isn't anybody else who fits the bill for Rugen so I stand by my casting decision.

David

"Not completely as well as the series of Firefly..." - From a review of Serenity at amazon.de

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Friday, May 19, 2006 9:15 AM

FUTUREMRSFILLION


I would love to hear Nathan do the "To the pain" scene!

No. (a little pause) To the pain.
I'll explain. And I'll use small words so that you'll be sure to understand, you wart-hog-faced buffoon.
It won't be the last. To the pain means the first thing you lose will be your feet, below the ankles, then your hands at the wrists, next your nose.
I wasn't finished -- the next thing you lose will be your left eye, followed by your right
Wrong! Your ears you keep, and I'll tell you why ---- so that every shriek of every child at seeing your hideousness will be yours to cherish -- every babe that weeps at your approach, every woman who cries out, "Dear God, what is that thing?" will echo in your perfect ears. That is what "to the pain" means. It means I leave you in anguish, wallowing in freakish misery forever.

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Friday, May 19, 2006 9:48 AM

CHRISTHECYNIC


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And so on. But that's not very good, or indeed at all funny.


You don't think so? I thought it was a hoot.


In that case I take it back.

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Anyway it was Niska, not Miracle Simon, who brought Mal back to life.

Actually it was Niska's henchman who brought Malcolm back to life in War Stories.


True, and that scene would actually go great with The Princess Bride:

Kid: Wait! What does the henchman mean he's dead? He didn't mean dead. Mal's only faking right?
Grandfather: You wanna watch this or what?
Kid: Who gets Niska?
Grandfather: I don't understand.
Kid: Who kills Niska? At the end, somebody's got to do it. Is it Zoe? Who?
Grandfather: Nobody. Nobody kills him. He lives.
Kid: You mean he wins? Jesus, Grandpa! What did you read me this thing for?

And so on, doesn't need to be changed at all really, just the names.

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there really isn't anybody else who fits the bill for Rugen so I stand by my casting decision.

Oh I agree, he fits perfectly, I was just trying to stick the two together in my head.

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Friday, May 19, 2006 9:50 AM

CHRISTHECYNIC


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Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:
It means I leave you in anguish, wallowing in freakish misery forever.


Such a great line.

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Friday, May 19, 2006 11:50 AM

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The Dread Pirate Reynolds... lol


Although I could SO see Zoe taking Wash's body to "Miracle Mal"...


The kid and his grandpa have to be Shepherd Book and the 'kid taking a dirt nap with Baby Jesus' from the movie.

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