Poseidon is sinking again! by Ravenhair

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Poseidon is sinking again!

POSTED BY: RAVENHAIR
UPDATED: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 19:10
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Monday, June 12, 2006 4:34 PM

Anyone watching the Poseidon Adventure for the second (painful) time (this time on SciFi) just to see Adam Baldwin? I can't be the only one...

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Monday, June 12, 2006 5:19 PM

NCBROWNCOAT

Ravenhair,
I didn't know the Poseidon Adventure was on. I would have watched it.

I saw the original and nothing could be better than Gene Hackman and Shelly Winters swimming thru the stairwell and then she dies. Cheesey, but good cheesey.

You might enjoy Water's Edge. Just watched it this weekend. All the acting except Nathan's is painful to watch also. It includes a Baldwin (brother Daniel of the acting Baldwin brothers-plays the bad mayor) but not Adam Baldwin (doesn't have any brothers that act or otherwise) IMHO the movie would have been much better with Nathan and Adam playing off each other.

Plot is simple. Writer Robert(Nathan)and his wife leave NYC and go to his late father's cabin in a small town. Wife is suicidal-they just lost their daughter and are broke. Nathan rescues a supposed damsel in distress and she draws them into blackmail and murder.

Watch for the shirtless wood chopping scene and the scene on the pier.

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Monday, June 12, 2006 5:41 PM

CHRISTHECYNIC

I've seen worse, I like Adam.

Those two things are unrelated but yes, I watched it.

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Monday, June 12, 2006 5:51 PM

DOG13000

Yes, worse.

You mean the new Poseidon? SOOO bad.

Richard Dreyfuss is gay in it for no reason. Nothing against sexual orientation or anything, but if he were not gay in the film, the movie would have been no diffrent. I hate it when charecter aspects are changed just for political correctness.

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Tuesday, June 13, 2006 5:22 AM

DONCOAT

Did you notice that Adam got top billing in this version of "The Poseidon Adventure"? Above Rutger Hauer, Steve Guttenberg, or Bryan Brown. (Oddly, on IMDB, Hauer is given top billing, but Adam was first in the actual opening credits.)

They made a few changes in this version, the biggest one being that the capsize was due to a terrorist attack rather than a rogue wave.

Something I've always wondered about, even in the original version: could a ship actually remain afloat for that length of time when capsized? It seems like a cruise ship, in particular, would almost instantly fill with water up to the waterline due to breakage of all those cabin windows and sliding doors. I can't imagine that the air trapped in the "top" of the hull would displace enough to keep her afloat. Especially since there was a big frickin' hole in the hull to let the air out!

Then again, disregarding the hole, wouldn't the trapped air become highly pressurized? So when they did cut or blast an opening, they'd all be blown out through it.

I think the phrase "suspension of disbelief" comes into play here.

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I don't disagree on any particular point.

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Tuesday, June 13, 2006 5:23 AM

WHOISRIVER

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Richard Dreyfuss is gay in it for no reason. Nothing against sexual orientation or anything, but if he were not gay in the film, the movie would have been no diffrent.

Damn, I never realised people need reasons to be gay.

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Tuesday, June 13, 2006 5:32 AM

MSG

I missed it ...drat and I knew it was on I just got distracted and now when I tivo it, it doesn't come up..does anyone know when it'll re-run?

Oh and Chris you've watched what that was worse?? "cause I have to reccomend Laser Mission. It's Brandon Lee's real first film and it is damn near the worst thing on this planet. Also, there's a hot blond in it and it's painfully obvious Brandon can't remember his lines due to her distraction.

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Tuesday, June 13, 2006 12:29 PM

KINROEDARKSTONE

Can't say that I saw but I did tape soley for our BDH Jayne...er...I mean Adam. I have trouble remembering ther actual names sumtimes.

Just love my Firefly!

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Tuesday, June 13, 2006 12:34 PM

SIKKUKUT

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Originally posted by WhoIsRiver:
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Richard Dreyfuss is gay in it for no reason. Nothing against sexual orientation or anything, but if he were not gay in the film, the movie would have been no diffrent.

Damn, I never realised people need reasons to be gay.

Seconded.

Really this cuts to the heart of an ongoing debate for any minority-type group that's seeking inclusion and acceptance... but this thread is about the freakin' Poseidon Adventure, so let's not go there.

Also, note that Adam Baldwin is not "a Baldwin" in the usual sense--he's not actually related to Alec and siblings.

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Tuesday, June 13, 2006 2:04 PM

REDLAVA

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Originally posted by DonCoat:

Something I've always wondered about, even in the original version: could a ship actually remain afloat for that length of time when capsized? It seems like a cruise ship, in particular, would almost instantly fill with water up to the waterline due to breakage of all those cabin windows and sliding doors. I can't imagine that the air trapped in the "top" of the hull would displace enough to keep her afloat. Especially since there was a big frickin' hole in the hull to let the air out!

Then again, disregarding the hole, wouldn't the trapped air become highly pressurized? So when they did cut or blast an opening, they'd all be blown out through it.

I think the phrase "suspension of disbelief" comes into play here.

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I don't disagree on any particular point.

In the new movie they closed the watertight doors which effectivly seals much of the interior part of the ship from water coming in. With almost all of the ship submerged it does seem to stretch reality a little though. I wouldn't think that the air trapped in the ship would become pressurized enough to cause damage like that. It wouldn't be any different than being on a submarine. And the giant hole in the keel after it capsizes is above the waterline so no water would get in. And that only leaves air to fill the space.

You definitely need suspension of disbelief to watch this movie, but that is true in any disaster movie ever made. Impossible occurances happening due to improbable circumstances. Look at The Day After Tomorrow.

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Tuesday, June 13, 2006 4:10 PM

CHRISTHECYNIC

I do not know about cruise ships but I have seen film of a capsized oil tanker, which means that it capsized and then stayed afloat long enough for a camera crew in the helicopter to get there and shoot some film of it.

Of course I don't know how long that takes.

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Tuesday, June 13, 2006 4:23 PM

RAVENHAIR

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Originally posted by ncbrowncoat:

I saw the original and nothing could be better than Gene Hackman and Shelly Winters swimming thru the stairwell and then she dies. Cheesey, but good cheesey.

You might enjoy Water's Edge.

I love the original Poseidon - I love angry reverend Gene Hackman!

Saw Water's Edge, too. Am I biased or is NF just great in everything he does?

One of the worst movies of a fave actor I ever saw: Hanover Street with Harrison Ford. WWII movie, American pilot falls for married English woman whose husband he has to fly with...even Harrison Ford was awful in it!

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Simon: That's not much.
Mal: It's enough.

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Tuesday, June 13, 2006 5:12 PM

DC4BS

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Originally posted by DonCoat:
Something I've always wondered about, even in the original version: could a ship actually remain afloat for that length of time when capsized? It seems like a cruise ship, in particular, would almost instantly fill with water up to the waterline due to breakage of all those cabin windows and sliding doors. I can't imagine that the air trapped in the "top" of the hull would displace enough to keep her afloat. Especially since there was a big frickin' hole in the hull to let the air out!

Well, just about no hull is really watertight. That's why you always see water squirting out of the sides of ships and stuff. If nothing else, small amounts of water can come in around the drive shaft seals etc...

As to staying afloat, yes, it could easily do so. If the hull displaces enough water to float right side up, then the air bubble it traps upside down should easily keep it afloat as well due to basic physics.

MY problem is that the boat would NOT be stable upside down as most of the weight (engins/biolers/etc.) is now at the top. The boat would sinply roll back to one side or one end would sink (probably the stern), release the bubble and go down. Very FEW ships will stay perfectly inverted for long.

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Then again, disregarding the hole, wouldn't the trapped air become highly pressurized? So when they did cut or blast an opening, they'd all be blown out through it.

Um no. The air pressure would be higher, sure, make your ears pop and all but I don't think nearly enough to blow anyone around like explosive decompression of an airplane would. The air pressure is dependent on depth. only when the ships hull actualy sinks would the pressure go up in any serious way. (1 Atmosphere of pressure, approx 14.5 psi, per roughly 33 feet of water depth as you go down. In metric, its about 1 bar per 10m depth). As the hull is still at the surface, there will be some compression but not all that much. the diplscement of the upside down hull INCLUDES the amount of water pushed down by the trapped air buble.

Mr Wizard is going to bed now...

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Tuesday, June 13, 2006 5:20 PM

NCBROWNCOAT

Also, note that Adam Baldwin is not "a Baldwin" in the usual sense--he's not actually related to Alec and siblings.

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That's what I was trying to say. I guess I just phrased it wrong. I really don't like any one of the "brothers".

Does anyone remember the horrible song from the orignal movie"There's got to be a morning after."? It was played to death when the movie came out and I can still hear that warbling in my head.

Now that I think about it Gene Hackman's Reverend reminds me a bit of Mal except hipper.

One day.
One plan.
One army of Browncoats.

On June 23rd, we aim to misbehave.

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Tuesday, June 13, 2006 7:10 PM

REAVERINA1985RIVIERA

I'm just glad to see Adam with his Jayne goatee, somehow he no longer looks "right" clean shaven.

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