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Originally posted by BrownCoat2006:
Coupla things I would like to point out... yes the Revers in Serenity (the pilot, not the movie) had an EMP weapon... well, not really a weapon so much as an Electro Magnetic Grapple... NOT an EMP gun... second, Book is definatly dead... third, Revers WOULD NOT have a pretty silver n' blue ship, it wouldda been all scared, pitted and blackend jagged metal with loverly crimson red BLOOD all over it, if not a few dozen thin hood ornament type dudes on it... and the ship wouldda also been venting black smoke for it's not operating with core contanment, and FINAL... your theory kicks ASS!!! welcome to the crew bud... *hands over a brow duster*

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Originally posted by pastorbadger:
Yeah, and if you read every other script for every other incident someone in a serial has died (see long list above by actually reading thread), they'll all say "He's dead, Jim", too. I'm certain the script for "Wrath of Kahn" DIDN'T say, "The genetic material of Spock is ejected in a torpedo casing to be reconstituted by the lingering Genesis effect". Means nothing.

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Second, this is so cleverly phrased that the ambiguity makes me even more certain that Wash will rise again. After all, we all had time to open our mouths before we were dead. My script says "Pastor Badger has time to do what he needs before he is dead." (Yes this is stretching the ambiguity, but Joss would have gone to extremes to leave this thread untied.)

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Originally posted by PoeandFaith:
I've read a bunch, and I myself would love to have Wash alive again. Watchin' the series with my own friends and family, you can't help but be a little hurt when Wash and Book kick the bucket...

But it's over. Wash is dead, and he ain't coming back. As much as I'd like to scan the movie for any and all errors that might show he's alive, as much as I'd like to research the chances someone could survive an injury like that, I think the movie points it out well enough.

Mal stays with Book until he dies. Can't stress that part enough. That's who Mal is, he ain't gunna walk out on someone he cares about during their dying breaths.

He tells Shepard he was a part of the crew, not to talk, to hold on...but even Simon's medical experience don't mean anything if it doesn't get there in time.

So when Wash gets pinned into the cockpit by a harpoon shot hard and fast enough to shatter airproof heat resistant space shuttle window, And Mal and Zoe flee...they know he is dead. Two well experienced, very loyal to this man people LEAVE HIM. If Wash was alive, or had any chance of surviving, do you really think they would have done that?

And when Kaylee shouts "Wash? Where's Wash!?", I recall Zoe saying in a cold hidin' back the feelings voice "He ain't coming." Not "Well, we think he's dead, but we didn't wanna get killed ourselves checking."

The third thing was the flight itself. No ordinary pilot could have wormed their way between a large scale air battle like that. Everything was resting on Wash, and he brought them to their destination. As a pilot, his mission was complete. Wash died a hero.

As Joss has said, it's about normal, run of the mill people trying to get by. They aren't invincible, they aren't imbued with super-powers or mystic elements. They're just folk, like you and me. Wash was shot through the chest with a deadly harpoon. It's his end.


... ... ...*weeps a little and decides to wear a hawaiian shirt today*

Dear Diary... Today, we were kidnapped by hill folk never to be seen again. It was the best day ever.

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Originally posted by BrownCoat2006:
your theory kicks ASS!!! welcome to the crew bud... *hands over a brow duster*

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Originally posted by Storymark:
Okay, got it. Whatever happened in the movie (from Wash's mortal wound, to his death gurgle, and the fact that the Alliance was too busy fighting a massive battle to bother with performing miraculous first-aid on a guy they were essentially trying to kill anyway) - irrelevant.

The script - irrelevant.

Joss' stated intentions - irrelevant.

Joss' insistance that Wash is very, very dead - irrelevant.

Joss' promise that no-one comes back from the dead in the 'verse - irrelevant.

Alan's insistence that Wash is dead, and his admission that he thought it was best for the character - irrelevant.

The only thing that seems to be relevant is your insistance, contrary to all evidence, that Wash is "100% alive".

Gotcha.



"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Originally posted by mikeC:
pardon my language here but jesus christ! some people really cannot face the truth.

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Originally posted by BrowncoatSandinista:
PastorB, you rock. You allow for possibilities. Others, especially he who listed all the people saying Wash is dead, show me proof. Please. Doubting Thomas moment, sure, but people's minds can change. If Joss chooses to bring back Wash, then Wash is back. I don't doubt that there are ways of surviving a spike like that. Whomever said that it would have pushed his internals out of the way, you're right. That's why we don't use flechette rifles. Also, Mal and Zoe ran as to get the message out, and not die. Mal stayed with Book as he wasn't being shot at meanwhile.

If anyone gets nosy...Shoot em.
Shoot em sir?
Politely.

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Originally posted by pastorbadger:
Schrödinger's Wash.

ROFL!

(Nobody ever gets my best stuff.)

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Originally posted by BlazeSolo:
I WANNA SHIP OUT ON THAT MISSION !!!! Hmmm what ta pack, .44mag, .45 automag, 9mm, and 357mag !!! And plenty of extra ammo !!!! TAKE THAT YOU GORRAM, RUTTIN ALLIANCE !!!! Oh and don't forget grenades, plenty of grenades !!!!

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Schrödinger's Wash.

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Originally posted by Storymark:
Okay, got it. Whatever happened in the movie (from Wash's mortal wound, to his death gurgle, and the fact that the Alliance was too busy fighting a massive battle to bother with performing miraculous first-aid on a guy they were essentially trying to kill anyway) - irrelevant.

The script - irrelevant.

Joss' stated intentions - irrelevant.

Joss' insistance that Wash is very, very dead - irrelevant.

Joss' promise that no-one comes back from the dead in the 'verse - irrelevant.

Alan's insistence that Wash is dead, and his admission that he thought it was best for the character - irrelevant.

The only thing that seems to be relevant is your insistance, contrary to all evidence, that Wash is "100% alive".

Gotcha.

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Originally posted by citizen:
My theory as too why Wash is dead:
He had a big stake through his chest.

He had a BIG stake through his chest.

He had a REALLY BIG STAKE THROUGH HIS CHEST!

This is FireFly, not star trek. They didn't bury him on a moon created by some kind of "Genesis Device" that will miraculously revive his fetted corpse minus his mind, which was passed on to Serenity through his "Vulcanised Rubber" mind meld.

They won't rescue him, planet exploding around their ears in Serenity 2: The Search for Wash, and they won't take him to mount cyanide where an ancient Gosling ritual won't be used too reunite his body with his mind that has been hilariously melded with the ship, not leading to an earlier scene where Serenity tells Mal if he ever looks at Zoe like that again the ships going to vent all the oxygen into space.

He's dead, dead as a can of spam, and they buried him (there's a clue, don't know about anyone else but around these parts we tend to bury DEAD people, you know, people who are dead, not ones that are just sleeping of a minor stake through the heart flesh wound), take solice in the fact that it's party time for all the little worms, because unless they're magic worms he's not coming back.

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No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.

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Originally posted by pastorbadger:
You seem to be under the impression that a really big steak through the heart will kill you. It doesn't always do so today, it surely doesn't in Wash's time, and the point of "STEERING COLUMN!" is that it didn't even do so in the 1960's on Earth That Was.

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Please read the whole thread before you post. And if "it's too long to read all of it", well then, since you just aren't all that invested in your own opinion to make it worth the time, then why should anyone else here waste the time reading yours?

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Originally posted by citizen:
Yeah and someone survived a pole through the brain once but 99% people die, and if you see someone get a pole through the skull in a film and they slump down looking pretty much dead and everyone leaves them as dead we can pretty much take it as writ that they are dead, no matter how much it'll make you cry.

Please check your facts and actually watch Serenity before you post. The EMP plainly came from a Reaver ship, and since you are obviously not all that invested in your own opinion or you poorly reasoned 'theory' why should anyone else be?

So what's your cunning and well thought out plan to resurrect Book, no wait let me guess, Book wasn't really shot, the projectile was stopped by a can of tomato soup, which is why it looks like he was bleeding, and the reason everyone thought he was dead was because he had passed out after eating a dodgy burrito.

After all we all hate real life consequences being portrayed in shows, that's why we're not on a FireFly fan site not discussing Firefly and we are on a Star Trek website discussing how a neutron surge through the bus b buffer brought Scotty back to life through a freak convergence of the space-time continuum.

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Well! Aren't our panties just all in a bundle?

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You made yourself look a little foolish : the "EMP came from a reaver ship/no it didn't/yes it did" argument has been dealt with ad nausium. Again, read the thread and everyone else's opinion before you steal some more considerate soul's time.

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Resurrect Book? As a man of the cloth myself, I'm just as happy to see his character go. How would you feel if they had, say, a "fry cook with an evil past" character? Wouldn't you take it personally?

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Finally, as for the pole through the head foolishness, that topic has also been well covered by witty and well-meaning folks who took the time to read. I'll spoon it to you : No one says it's likely in the real world. It's just well within the realm of possibility. It gives hope to those in need of it.

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(Here's where you splutter an adolescent rant about how important your opinion is and what a yob I am. Take the bait. C'mon. Look! I'm crossing your bridge...)

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Originally posted by zzetta13:


cut to Serenity: reaver takes a bite out of Wash, pinned to the pilot seat, looks up and replies " Tastes like chicken "....drum roll

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Originally posted by Guywhowantsafireflyofhisown:
I'm not going to bother responding to citizen because he won't see anything from anyone else's point of view

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Btw, I never said Wash can't still be alive, I said he shouldn't still be alive. Big difference, at least IMO.

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Originally posted by citizen:
My theory as too why Wash is dead:
He had a big stake through his chest.

He had a BIG stake through his chest.

He had a REALLY BIG STAKE THROUGH HIS CHEST!

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