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Originally posted by BrownCoat1:
Ok, so I was watching "The Message" again last night and again it struck me as odd that the helmet the Alliance scout that Zoe kills is wearing is identical to the German helmet of WWII.

We all know Joss is big on imagery & suggestion, so I began thinking this was another way of portraying the Alliance as fascists, the "bad guys" if you will.

I am sure others noticed this as well, and wanted to get your thoughts.

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Originally posted by Hero:
The alliance combat uniforms come from the movie Starship Troopers. The helmets from that movie use the same design of current US Army helmets which, oddly enough, is the same overall form as the German Army helmets from WW 2. In the commentary Joss says the Starship Troopers uniforms were used because they could be rented cheap.

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Originally posted by Tom:
Yea it was a german WWII helmet used in that scene it is also used in a scene in serenity when mal is going for the aa gun. maybe it is for a different type of soldier. similar to today where the more elite special forces wear helmets that are different to the kevlar.

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Tracey: .. I still remember the old sarge with his stories and his homilies of glory and honor.

Mal: Maybe you shoulda listened.

Tracey: Yeah, well what are you now? What are we now, Mal?

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Originally posted by SergeantX:
I just thought of another interesting point concerning the helmet. The flashback scene, being a flashback would have represented their memories of the events, and would have therefore been colored by their own perceptions of who was good and evil. In that context it makes perfect sense (from our current historical perspective concerning Nazis) to have the Alliance soldier dressed like a German soldier, wereas in "Train Job" we are perhaps getting a more accurate picture of Alliance troops.

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Originally posted by BrownCoat1:
Ok, so I was watching "The Message" again last night and again it struck me as odd that the helmet the Alliance scout that Zoe kills is wearing is identical to the German helmet of WWII.

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Originally posted by Drakon:

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Originally posted by BrownCoat1:
Ok, so I was watching "The Message" again last night and again it struck me as odd that the helmet the Alliance scout that Zoe kills is wearing is identical to the German helmet of WWII.

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Have you looked at modern helmets of late? The distinctive feature is the way the helmets covers the ears. Most militaries are going to this style, because, its safer for the troops wearing them. Better protection.

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I am not talking about the helmets from the troopers in the railcar in "Train Job". I recognized those for Starship Troopers. I know a lot of Sci Fi shows had been using them & figured it was because they were cheap to rent.

The helmet I am talking about is the solid black one that the scout in the flashback sequence of "The Message" was wearing. His entire uniform, LBE & weapons were black; for stealth purposes I am sure. When they show him close up, his helmet is clearly not a kevlar helmet the armed forces are using now. I was in the service and am familiar w/ the kevlar helmet. The one the Alliance scout had on was easily recognized as the German WWII helmet. It is thin metal, not the thicker kevlar.

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