Tim Minear to script Heinlein's Moon is a Harsh Mistress by SamuraiX47

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Tim Minear to script Heinlein's Moon is a Harsh Mistress

POSTED BY: SAMURAIX47
UPDATED: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 21:07
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Wednesday, January 21, 2004 1:07 PM

I just heard about this. If this is true this could make for a great film. I want Nathan Fillion as Manny Garcia and Christina Hendricks as Wyoming Knott.

James

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Wednesday, January 21, 2004 1:11 PM

SERGEANTX

Where did you hear this? This is amazingly cool news. Two of my favorite writers together, well sort of.

SergeantX

"..and here's to all the dreamers, may our open hearts find rest." -- Nanci Griffith

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Wednesday, January 21, 2004 1:12 PM

SARAHETC

Rock!

Fillion seems a little too gunslinging, to me, to be Manny, but Christina Hendricks would make one hell of a Wyo.

Your 'if it's true' gives pause, tho. Where did you read/hear?

I'm a dying breed who still believes, haunted by American dreams. ---Neko Case

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Wednesday, January 21, 2004 1:18 PM

SERGEANTX

Now if they can just get Joss to direct! Or Tim for that matter.

Its here Sarah:

http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/art-film.html?2004-01/20/13.00.film

SergeantX

"..and here's to all the dreamers, may our open hearts find rest." -- Nanci Griffith

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Friday, January 23, 2004 6:44 PM

ENDERSPAWN

Yeah, Nathan Fillion = NOT Manuel

Oh only if Edward James Olmos was thirty years younger...

Gospodin Fillion would make a good Finn. I think Christina's voice is a little too high for Wyoh. I pictured her in more of a middle timbre. Somewhere between energy and logic. She is womanly, but she is more woman and less girl. Also she is tall, and Christina isn't. Oh, if only Julianne Moore were ten years younger...

The professor can be someone cool like Sir Richard Attenborough. He looks quite sophisticated and isn't overused in movies (like Ian McKellen). Christopher Lee is too creepy. Sorry. Maybe Ben Kingsley?

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Friday, January 23, 2004 8:16 PM

ROCKETJOCK

I don't care who would write such a project so long as he understands and respects Heinlein's work. Not Bloody Likely, unfortunately. The Track record on movie and TV adaptations of Heinlein's works isn't one to inspire confidence.

"The Body Snatchers" managed a hat trick; it (1) took the original source material for the entire subgenre of "Aliens invading by body control" and manged to eliminate every bit of originality in it; while (2) simultaneously drowning the wonderful wit and banter of RAH's original banter in a sea of some of the most banal dialogue I've ever suffered through, and (3) changed the ending; Heinlein's original message of "We can survive only if we're willing to change" is lost.

A lost theme also mars "Starship Troopers," which chooses to completely invert every inch of Heinlein's philosophical masterpiece, and has the bad graces to be masterfully entertaining in the process. (I consider this film to be the novel's "Evil Twin Skippy").

Aside from minor oddities (a Fox Kids animated version of "Red Planet", which changed Mars to "New Mars" and moved it into another solar system, but kept Heinlein's plotline and his briliantly realized alien environment intact; a sword and sorcery flick which ripped off the first chapter of "Citizen of the Galaxy" almost word for word), no one has been faithful to Heinlein's prose or vision since "Destination Moon". Fifty years plus later, that one's worth all the misfires combined. I long for someone to break the losing streak, if not with "The Moon is a Mistress", then with some other book and writer, "Glory Road" by Joss Whedon, for example. Starring Adam Baldwin as "Scar" Gordon and Ron Glass as "Rufo".

(Hmm. Sigh. Well, a man's gotta dream, don't he?)

RocketJock

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Sunday, January 25, 2004 12:41 PM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up

What!? Oh, watch Geezer do the happy dance!! I've been wanting to see this movie for years! If only someone would take everyone involved with the "Starship Troopers" movie out and shoot them before production starts so they couldn't screw this one up too.

I'd have to think long and hard about the cast. No one too pretty or action heroish for Manny. Someone like James Caan, but not as old, since lunar gravity keeps you young-looking. I can see Nathan Lane playing Stu LaJoie. Wyo is tough. Need someone with a real figure. Angelina Jolie type? And Prof. de la Paz. Hmmm.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Sunday, January 25, 2004 10:03 PM

HARDWARE

Manny = Benicio Del Toro

Wyoming Knott = Dina Meyer

Professor = Edward James Olmos

Mike/Adam Selene = Greg Kinnear

The more I get to know people the more I like my dogs.

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Monday, January 26, 2004 2:44 AM

DARKSYDE

"Tim Minear to script Heinlein's Moon is a Harsh Mistress"

Hmm. Not truthfully sure what I think of this. The book would indeed make for a neet movie, but at the same time I can't help but feel that a good portion of the tie-in plot will have to be cut out. What I enjoyed most of the books I read, this one, to sail beyond the sunset, the cat who walks through walls, number of the beast, etc. was the end of the books that tied in these stories to a much larger picture story. Each book ended up being a whole novel about how this particular character/(s) ended up involved with the "actual' story. that part how ever can be removed fairly easily and sadly that will most likely be the case unless they plan on makeing atleast three more movies to finish off the overlying plot.

"That's what happens when you call the FEDS!"

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Wednesday, January 28, 2004 7:59 AM

ENDERSPAWN

Excellent Manny choice! I was thinking something along those lines. del Toro would tear that role up! Johnny Depp could do it too but I thought Manny was beefier then him.

As for Adam Selene, Greg Kinnear would work. I saw him as more of an Andrew Jackson lookalike. Maybe I read the book wrong. What about Brad Pitt? Or Tom Cruise? Or Richard Burton...no, wait, he can't do it...

And of course, the real fun to be had with Adam is to *say* he's an actor but to secretly make him CG so that no one would ever know...

Also to the fellow who lamented Starship Troopers' entertaining mediocrity: There has been much talk of the subtleties in this film, and I fear we all got the wrong picture from it. I thought much like you did until I started to really look at the psychology of some of the news clips. Like, for example, how they censor the arachnid tearing up a cow but then cut to an unedited scene of shredded mormons...makes you think, doesn't it?

Of course we could argue all day about the hidden merits of the film, which I believe are there, but I also believe movies are made for an audience, and if no one got the subtle satire of the whole thing, then is it a good movie? On the other hand, perhaps Starship Troopers is ahead of its time and will find an audience in the future. Perhaps...

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Wednesday, January 28, 2004 6:55 PM

CAPTAINTIGHTPANTS

Quote:
Originally posted by Enderspawn:

Also to the fellow who lamented Starship Troopers' entertaining mediocrity: There has been much talk of the subtleties in this film, and I fear we all got the wrong picture from it. I thought much like you did until I started to really look at the psychology of some of the news clips. Like, for example, how they censor the arachnid tearing up a cow but then cut to an unedited scene of shredded mormons...makes you think, doesn't it?

Of course we could argue all day about the hidden merits of the film, which I believe are there, but I also believe movies are made for an audience, and if no one got the subtle satire of the whole thing, then is it a good movie? On the other hand, perhaps Starship Troopers is ahead of its time and will find an audience in the future. Perhaps...

Starship Troopers! Now that's a Guilty Pleasure!

I loved the way they did the news segments of that movie. They made that movie. I especially liked the cameraman filming the bugs coming and just keeps rolling until he gets eaten. Very realistic actually. Photographers in combat or other dangerous situations often forget they are in the middle of it until it rolls over them.

You're gonna come with us...

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Wednesday, January 28, 2004 6:55 PM

CAPTAINTIGHTPANTS

Quote:
Originally posted by Enderspawn:

Also to the fellow who lamented Starship Troopers' entertaining mediocrity: There has been much talk of the subtleties in this film, and I fear we all got the wrong picture from it. I thought much like you did until I started to really look at the psychology of some of the news clips. Like, for example, how they censor the arachnid tearing up a cow but then cut to an unedited scene of shredded mormons...makes you think, doesn't it?

Of course we could argue all day about the hidden merits of the film, which I believe are there, but I also believe movies are made for an audience, and if no one got the subtle satire of the whole thing, then is it a good movie? On the other hand, perhaps Starship Troopers is ahead of its time and will find an audience in the future. Perhaps...

Starship Troopers! Now that's a Guilty Pleasure!

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Wednesday, January 28, 2004 9:07 PM

CAPTAINMAL

Oh Rapture!
Oh JOY!!!

This is exceedingly shiny!!!

(and the Joss doing Glory Road idea is swell too)

To me there is hardly any downside here for one simple reason: Joss and Tim write dialouge just like RAH..witty, snappy, crisply delivered dialouge from fascinating characters.

I'll have to think abit about Manny - resist the temptation to picture Fillon in the role if only for the fact that I don't want to confuse in my mind Manny with Mal, but for Wy, why not think big and go after Nicole Kidman?

Get Sean Connery for the Professor?

Say...assuming it's not loaded with the above mentioned star power (and it likely won't be, how about Ben Browder for Manny? I think that'd work out well if the audience is smart enough to figure out that just because he's named Garcia diesn't imply he's a hispanic...

"Why we still discussin' this?"

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