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Originally posted by FellowTraveler:
Forgive my ignorance, but I thought it said in "Done the Impossible" that F*X had given Whedon and company permission to shop the show to other networks and there were no takers.

Did F*X change their minds when they couldn't find another broadcaster and decide to keep the rights?

Just trying to understand what the deal is.

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Originally posted by CaliforniaKaylee:
First off, a million dollars a year actually isn't all that much. There aren't many professional-level entertainment projects that can be created for a million dollars, much less a tv series with say 24 episodes per year. That would be about $41,666 per episode, and that would have to include all the writing, cast, crew, special effects, costuming, licensing, etc etc. Maybe if Joss wanted to do Firefly Shadow Puppet Theater, but otherwise, a million dollars a year simply isn't enough to do a tv show.

Secondly, the issue isn't in finding "investors". Fox has the tv rights locked up, and doesn't appear to have any intention of either using those rights, or selling them to someone else. If they were interested in selling the tv rights, I think they would have already sold them to Universal.

As long as Fox thinks that the license could be worth something somewhere down the road -- especially if they don't have to do anything to raise that worth, but rather can sit on their hands while Universal's side of the license grows the fanbase -- they are going to sit on it. And they won't greenlight another tv show unless Universal is making piles of money of the movie license. And even if they did, hasn't Joss said he wouldn't ever work with Fox again?

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Originally posted by FellowTraveler:
Forgive my ignorance, but I thought it said in "Done the Impossible" that F*X had given Whedon and company permission to shop the show to other networks and there were no takers.

Did F*X change their minds when they couldn't find another broadcaster and decide to keep the rights?

Just trying to understand what the deal is.

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Originally posted by CaliforniaKaylee:
First off, a million dollars a year actually isn't all that much. There aren't many professional-level entertainment projects that can be created for a million dollars, much less a tv series with say 24 episodes per year. That would be about $41,666 per episode, and that would have to include all the writing, cast, crew, special effects, costuming, licensing, etc etc. Maybe if Joss wanted to do Firefly Shadow Puppet Theater, but otherwise, a million dollars a year simply isn't enough to do a tv show.

Secondly, the issue isn't in finding "investors". Fox has the tv rights locked up, and doesn't appear to have any intention of either using those rights, or selling them to someone else. If they were interested in selling the tv rights, I think they would have already sold them to Universal.

As long as Fox thinks that the license could be worth something somewhere down the road -- especially if they don't have to do anything to raise that worth, but rather can sit on their hands while Universal's side of the license grows the fanbase -- they are going to sit on it. And they won't greenlight another tv show unless Universal is making piles of money of the movie license. And even if they did, hasn't Joss said he wouldn't ever work with Fox again?

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Originally posted by Adamwankenobi:
OK... so tell me... why in the hell does FUX want to keep the rights if they're not doing anything with those rights?

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Originally posted by CaliforniaKaylee:
Just a wild guess, but there probably isn't any limit on how long they own the rights, other than standard copyright laws. Which would be, 70 years after Joss dies, or something like that, right?

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Originally posted by silence:
Besides, on the Pilot Serenity they spent like $9 million or so?

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Originally posted by CaliforniaKaylee:
Just a wild guess, but there probably isn't any limit on how long they own the rights, other than standard copyright laws. Which would be, 70 years after Joss dies, or something like that, right?

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We can always kidnap F*X execs and force them to give Joss the rights! I mean... that would be wrong... But I'm up for it!

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Originally posted by YLess:
OK, I admit I've not been around long but I was just wondering what, besides giving F*X free money in the form of donations or pledges (which is good although if they don't sell the rights they're still getting sent basically pure profit), people are proactively doing. There was talk of letter campaigns against British TV channels to get them to show it and there has obviously been success with those before in the form of a BDM but how many people are proactively doing it on a large scale now for a new series? If it's a large number and I'm just oblivious I appologise.

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Originally posted by CaliforniaKaylee:
First off, a million dollars a year actually isn't all that much. There aren't many professional-level entertainment projects that can be created for a million dollars, much less a tv series with say 24 episodes per year. That would be about $41,666 per episode, and that would have to include all the writing, cast, crew, special effects, costuming, licensing, etc etc. Maybe if Joss wanted to do Firefly Shadow Puppet Theater, but otherwise, a million dollars a year simply isn't enough to do a tv show.

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Originally posted by FellowTraveler:
Does anyone know how long F*X owns the rights?

There must be a limit, right? 5 years, 10 years?

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Originally posted by CaliforniaKaylee:
I don't think sending donations to Fox is a good idea. In fact, I think it is a very bad idea. Even if we managed to scrape up $1 million, all we'd have done is give $1 million for absolutely nothing, and they would have no more incentive to greenlight the show than they have right now. It would be a huge waste of money and effort.

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Originally posted by Rae:
I had heard rumors that one of the hold ups is that Joss is wanting $30 million up front to do another season. Any info on this? I'd hate to believe this was true.

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Originally posted by ubergeek:
in google type:

site:fireflyfans.net your seach here

that will search fireflyfans.net for you

and I started a topic just like this one a week ago

http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=2&t=23107

a new tv show wont happen. ever. A sequel is getting more unlikely by the minute. I say if Universal doesnt annouce a Sequel by March, im giving up hope.

but that is pesimistic me

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That and all of the cast members are either doing TV shows or movies now, so another Serenity movie or Firefly series won't happen anytime soon. *tearface*

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Yikes, Hell's kitten. How do you really feel about this? Pleased to meet you, too.

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Ok, if this has been done to death already, why is there so much confusion about the future of Firefly on the forum?

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Please be patient with those of us new to this forum. We're happy to be here.

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Maybe it would make sense to make a General Sticky kind of post in which the current understanding by the veterans here could be easily accessed by the newcomers? How would that be?

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Maybe it would make sense to make a General Sticky kind of post in which the current understanding by the veterans here could be easily accessed by the newcomers? How would that be?

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Yikes, Hell's kitten. How do you really feel about this? Pleased to meet you, too.

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Hiya, SeaOtter - As I said, I didn't mean to sound cranky or come across poorly.

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Well, and I was grinning in a nice way when I said it. Sorry -- it must have sounded awfully rude. My bad.

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Ok, if this has been done to death already, why is there so much confusion about the future of Firefly on the forum?

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Easy. There are a lot of new folks to the fandom (welcome!), especially since the movie came out. New folks come in, old threads get burried, old folks don't care to rehash the same-old-same-old, so the information doesn't get passed on as efficiently as we may like.

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Neither was I meaning that as harshly as it sounds. Truly, I think maybe caffeine and I need to part company. I work a lot with engineers and I have noticed that they are, "often right, never in doubt." So I have gotten a little nervous when I hear two confident people saying different things. Here I noticed that people were posting contradictory predictions with equal certainty and not knowing who is a veteran here and who is newer, it was getting very confusing.

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And I'm happy you're here. No intention of impatience . Just trying to provide a little insight into the situation without posting an incredibly long message. (Also, there are some newer folk who don't take kindly to people presenting these sorts of facts, so I tried to keep it short.) I should probably use more emoticons to make my words read cheerier? Really, I'm a lurker, not a typer.

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I am very happy to get answers, this is great. I see a number of people talking about what can get accomplished and I wonder if they are all in the same loop. This talking here, this is good. As are my learning to use more emoticons.

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That's really a good idea, SeaO. I thought there used to be something akin to that, but I could be recollecting incorrectly. One thread or section as the "ultimate" resource of Firefly facts and status... you should pose the suggestion to Haken.

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I think I might be on the good Haken's Bad List for proposing a change that would allow people to add their own avvies (rather than Haken's having to do it) But 11thHour might be able to? (see next post)

I really appreciate your taking the time to respond -- it was a very thoughtful post.

On a more selfish note -- I saw that you bought the Kaylee outfit and I am terribly jealous of you.

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Originally posted by ubergeek:
in google type:

site:fireflyfans.net your seach here

that will search fireflyfans.net for you

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http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=2&t=23107

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Ubergeek, I was in that thread. It was one of the things that had confused me, when I was looking at the other threads.

Thank you very much for the instructions on how to search. I belong to a few forums, but none of them search like this. I will learn.

Pardon the double post -- I would have made an utter muck of it had I tried to combine.

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Maybe it would make sense to make a General Sticky kind of post in which the current understanding by the veterans here could be easily accessed by the newcomers? How would that be?

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I've been in communication with Haken regarding establishing a dedicated space on the FFF.net home page just for Firefly and Serenity Fan Campaigns. Threads devoted to promotion and discussing different options for continuation of the 'Verse will live there. The area will be a "box" similar to the anchored "Latest Discussions" and "Real World FFF.net" boxes.

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Wow, that sounds great! It's wonderful to meet such good-natured (your motto is inaccurate), and focused folk, 11thHour.

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Haken is extremely busy with real life matters these days and often these site enhancements take a bit of time. He did however create a message board that I requested for "Firefly and Serenity Guerilla Marketing". Right now it rides the tides of activity like the other message boards... but as soon as the dedicated box is ready, all the threads under that message box will have a "sticky" place on the front page here.

I'll give Haken another nudge soon and hopefully this next stage of new FFF.net site features will be up and running soon... and there's more to come!

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So every post about the future of Firefly we should redirect to that Guerilla forum here?

When you nudge Haken, would you ask him about the Insider's Guide to the Future of Firefly? And if we could sticky it to the top of that forum? Please?

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I guess, at very least, all the folks here who're attending Dragon*Con this year can ask him directly again.

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I've been in communication with Haken regarding establishing a dedicated space on the FFF.net home page just for Firefly and Serenity Fan Campaigns.

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It's wonderful to meet such good-natured (your motto is inaccurate), and focused folk, 11thHour.

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When you nudge Haken, would you ask him about the Insider's Guide to the Future of Firefly? And if we could sticky it to the top of that forum? Please?

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What about a page that contains all this information we keep arguing about? Something that's not a forumn, but a place for concrete news about the 'verse.

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