Gina Torres on Standoff and Serenity Sequel (not looking good...) by MrT

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Gina Torres on Standoff and Serenity Sequel (not looking good...)

POSTED BY: MRT
UPDATED: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 03:33
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Tuesday, September 12, 2006 12:16 AM

Hmmm.... this one doesn't look good I'm afraid.

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iF: You mentioned spaceships, so let's talk for just a second about FIREFLY and the SERENITY movie. Were you surprised that Joss Whedon killed off Wash [Alan Tudyk]?

TORRES: There was definitely a collective gasp heard across the nation when we all got the script and read it. I adored Alan, and I adored him as Wash as my pretend husband. I thought we were an amazing couple. In a way, it might hurt you to hear this, but since there is no sequel to SERENITY it is a relief because I can’t imagine Zoë without him. I really can’t.

for the whole interview see:
http://www.ifmagazine.com/feature.asp?article=1663

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Tuesday, September 12, 2006 12:24 AM

HUGHFF

Agree that it suggests (some of) the cast are moving on. Desperate hope allows me to speculate that this is misdirection but I can't see any point in that. Of course, there's always the possibility of keeping Wash around in flashbacks as Zoe deals with her grief.

This is the sort of pathetic optimism that has made me a life long Palace fan.

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Tuesday, September 12, 2006 12:25 AM

PHOENIXROSE

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.

NO! Nononononononono! There's a year left for Universal to greenlight the sequel under the actor's contracts! It can't be decided yet!

http://www.bigdamnthankyou.com - show Universal your gratitude!

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Tuesday, September 12, 2006 12:29 AM

MRT

I wonder whether with all the talk of NDAs flying around the easiest way to stop the question was to show absolute denial...

As many people have said, if there was nothing ever going to happen then JW would have come clean, however the fact that he hasn't, and that there are 'irons in the fire' does still give cause for hope.

There has to be hope, and a line, which we will hold!

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Tuesday, September 12, 2006 1:44 AM

FILLYGIRL

Operative: "Its worse than you know..." Mal: "It usually is."

I think we all need to remember, the actors are not aware of all the "news" that we see. Remember how Alan didn't know about the Hugo Award? I doubt that they get to read as much about FF, so they probably think the chances are dead, but WE keep track of sales and rankings(Amazon,Netflix) so I think Gina might not realize how much promoting of events (Sci-Fi marathons)we are doing.

I sure hope so!

We will hold.....=^..^=

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Tuesday, September 12, 2006 4:40 AM

BROWNCOAT1

May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.

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Originally posted by fillygirl:
I think we all need to remember, the actors are not aware of all the "news" that we see. Remember how Alan didn't know about the Hugo Award? I doubt that they get to read as much about FF, so they probably think the chances are dead, but WE keep track of sales and rankings(Amazon,Netflix) so I think Gina might not realize how much promoting of events (Sci-Fi marathons)we are doing. I sure hope so!
We will hold.....=^..^=

True. I am hoping that it is their moving on and not being privy to all the info that insprired this comment by Gina.

Until Joss says so, it's just rumor.

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Tuesday, September 12, 2006 4:54 AM

SIMONF

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Originally posted by fillygirl:
I think we all need to remember, the actors are not aware of all the "news" that we see. Remember how Alan didn't know about the Hugo Award?

Aye but I imagine they talk to Joss on a regular basis and have their agents and managers inform them if there's any developments. I really want a Serenity sequel but as the days and months go on, it's looking less likely. Though Joss has been know to pull rabbits out a hat before so who knows?

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Tuesday, September 12, 2006 5:12 AM

BROWNCOATSANDINISTA

Yes, yes he has. Please whatever God Shepherd Book believed in give us another Big Damn Miracle.

"I'm not going to say Serenity is the greatest SciFi movie ever; oh wait yes I am." - Orson Scott Card

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Tuesday, September 12, 2006 5:31 AM

ARBAS

Don't worry about the 2007 deadline - contracts can be renegotiated and the best time to pitch a mini-series or sequel/prequel movie would be after Whedon wows the critics/public/studios and brings in a blockbuster or two. So that's Wonder Woman followed by Goners then it's Firefly time :D

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Tuesday, September 12, 2006 6:07 AM

TERRI

She never said there wouldn't be a sequel. She said that there wasn't a sequel. It is a very distinct, but important difference. Seriously, I mean Gina's doing other stuff, she's moving on a bit. But the possibility is always there. And it always will be. At least, until I make my dramatic rise to power of the Scifi channel and resurrect Firefly, MST3K and Farscape. And of course, fund two more movies as Scifi Original pictures.

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Tuesday, September 12, 2006 6:43 AM

WINDSTRUCK

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There is no sequel to SERENITY.

There would be NO SEquel. Will it then be a PREquel?

That would be shiny!

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Tuesday, September 12, 2006 6:54 AM

DARKFLY

I won't accept that their will be no sequel,I will never except it,not even when Joss Wheldon is dead or all the actors,okay maybe when all the actors are dead then I'll accept it but until that day comes when the last actor dies I will always believe in a sequel.

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Tuesday, September 12, 2006 7:04 AM

HELL'S KITTEN

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Originally posted by PhoenixRose:
NO! Nononononononono! There's a year left for Universal to greenlight the sequel under the actor's contracts! It can't be decided yet!

...sorry to side-track, but this statement surprised me. Where did this fact come from?

(I admit to not reading quite as much here as I used to, and I've seen an awful lot of talk about NDAs and contracts that I've never seen before.)

Thanks!

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Tuesday, September 12, 2006 7:26 AM

DAYVE

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Originally posted by Terri:
At least, until I make my dramatic rise to power of the Scifi channel and resurrect Firefly, MST3K and Farscape.

Could you please hurry that along, Terri...?

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Tuesday, September 12, 2006 3:31 PM

LEIASKY

Quote:
Originally posted by Hell's Kitten:
Quote:
Originally posted by PhoenixRose:
NO! Nononononononono! There's a year left for Universal to greenlight the sequel under the actor's contracts! It can't be decided yet!
...sorry to side-track, but this statement surprised me. Where did this fact come from?

(I admit to not reading quite as much here as I used to, and I've seen an awful lot of talk about NDAs and contracts that I've never seen before.)

Thanks!

Sean Maher mentioned in a recent interview about a 2007 deadline.

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Tuesday, September 12, 2006 3:54 PM

SHINYYUKARI

In the words of Philip J. Fry...

"You can't give up hope just because it's hopeless. You gotta hope even more, and cover your ears and go 'bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla!'"

But yeah...never say never.

"Well next time you be the bait!"~Andy Hurley
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Tuesday, September 12, 2006 4:03 PM

CAITE

Also, don't forget, it was a good couple years between OiS and the BDM being announced. It's only been a little over a year since the BDM, so I feel that there's still hope!

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Tuesday, September 12, 2006 4:42 PM

ADAPA

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I wonder whether with all the talk of NDAs flying around the easiest way to stop the question was to show absolute denial...

I have to say I'm with MRT on this-

Or she may be out of the loop on this one due to it being so early on in the process.

Another thought occured to me; there's be chat about this for a while now, since Joss's cryptic last paragraph, does anyone else think that he might be reading our speculations? if so & the phone had not rung, wouldn't he have said?

I don't know about this since I haven't been around a long time. What do some of the longtime fans think?

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Tuesday, September 12, 2006 4:56 PM

VERSEEXPLORER

I love Browncoats! We are such BDO - Big Damn Optimist. Book told us in the BDM that we have to believe in something. I truly believe it will happen. When and where is unknown right now, but I believe that the BDM2 will become a reality.

Thanks to DesktopHippie

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Tuesday, September 12, 2006 9:46 PM

MRT

Yesterday I posted this thread feeling a bit down having seen it on the OB

... now, all you lovely browncoats have steeled my resolve and fed my hope - thank you!

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Wednesday, September 13, 2006 1:48 AM

ZZETTA13

As I can tell Dr. F*X (the fox exects) pulled the plug on the patient(Firefly) way to far ahead of time. The show wasn't dead. It was just getting started. How would you guys like it if these fellows were operating on you? I for one wouldn't like it at all. What were they thinking? They may not realize this; (see below)

They still have,

1)Dr. Simon Tam, the surgeon to bring it back to health.

2) River Tam to see that it still lives and has a future.

3) Capt. Mal Reynolds to guide it through the rough times.

4) Pilot Wash to fly it out of reaver territory.

5) Zoe to keep it in shape and keep it from being a slacker.

6) Inara to love it and listen to all it's woes.

7) Shephard Book to pray for it and keep it from the "Special Hell" F*X seems to want it to go to.

8) Kaylee to fix it's parts and take care of her "Good Girl".

9) Jayne Cobb to back it up (he knows this show is worth lots of coin)

Bonus;

10) Badger to to abuse it like an older sibling.

11) Saffrin to toy with it and make it assume the "payoff is the point".

12) Jubal Early to floot around waiting for Serenity to come back by so that he can hitch a ride.

13) Niska to tie it down and stick a torture device up it's _ _ _ ( sorry, can't say that)

14) the HoB (Hands of Blue) guys to probe it and ask it " You talked to the prisoners?"

and 15) Atherton Wing , so Mal can kick his butt with a sssssssss-----uword again.

Did I forget anybody?

Z

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Wednesday, September 13, 2006 2:28 AM

MRBEN

Remember that some sequels take _ages_ to come about. Lets look at timescales of some:

Star Wars had 3 years between 4 and 5, although obviously it was known before release that it was happening.

Indiana Jones had a break between 2 and 3 of 5 years, and if the rumours are right, there will be a break of 17 years between 4 and 5. Similarly with Die Hard.

Perhaps the most topical example would be Clerks II - out 12 years after the original. This is probably the best example, because I think that Kevin Smith and Joss Whedon are similarly passionate about their work on these 2 projects, as are the actors involved.

So you can never give up hope.

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Wednesday, September 13, 2006 2:33 AM

CAUSAL

Quote:
Originally posted by MrT:
...if there was nothing ever going to happen then JW would have come clean, however the fact that he hasn't, and that there are 'irons in the fire' does still give cause for hope.

Ah, blind faith. And people say I'm irrational for believing that a man was raised from the dead.

But I still love you guys!
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Wednesday, September 13, 2006 3:14 AM

JONNYQUEST

"Did he just go crazy and fall asleep?"

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Originally posted by VerseExplorer:
Book told us in the BDM that we have to believe in something. I truly believe it will happen.

I do believe in Faeries. I do. I do. I do believe in Faeries...

But seriously, I was going to start a thread about this on my own, but it seems relevant to the topic here. I've noted in another thread or two that the reason some Buffy fans watched Angel was simply to fill the void left when Buffy was no more. I heard of very few cases where people actually liked Angel better than Buffy or liked it on its own merits. Not to say it was a bad show: I've never seen but maybe part of one episode. My point is not which show is better.

TV history is littered with shows that existed solely to carry on lost glory. Few ever succeed. All in the Family had Archie Bunker's Place. M*A*S*H had After M*A*S*H. Abysmal. Cheers had Frazier. Ah hah! GOLD!! These are just the "Rollovers". But even so...there is another way.

Not a sequel, not a prequel, but a typically more lucrative answer, with a built-in price tag I wager most Browncoats wouldn't be willing to pay: the Spin-off. The examples above are all, of course, spin-offs, but I put them into a special category based on network greed, rather than fan clamor. The "normal" spin-off is usually created to meet the demand by viewers for more, more, more. I cite the Law & Orders and CSI's as examples, or even the Jeffersons, Maude and Good Times from the past.

True, spin-offs are traditionally concurrent with their parent show, but is that a critical component? Firefly most assuredly would fit into the "delayed rollover" realm of which Star Trek is the prime example. (Remember? There was the cartoon version which held on to us until the Motion Picture allowed the Next Generation to come into being.)

The parallel is here: Serenity the Movie has been made. But now instead of jumping back to Firefly as we knew it (because

Select to view spoiler:

it couldn't possibly be the same show without Wash and Book

you can't go home again), we go back to the 'Verse, but from a different angle. Old characters come back (at least a few, new characters come in, and maybe a New World Order

Select to view spoiler:

because the Signal caused an Independent uprising, this time bringing along all those that were silent the first time around

. Toss in a cartoon version of the BDComicBook, and you might build the audience that can sustain The New Adventures of the Firefly Class Vessel Serenity and her Big Damn Crew Across the 'Verse and into the Black!, presented in High Definiton, Stereo Surround and Color where available, with Closed Captioning and Other Language Tracks and/or Subtitles, filmed before a live studio audience. And starring Joss Whedon as the Beaver.

Come to think of it, maybe this should be a new thread after all...

"Well, here I am."

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Wednesday, September 13, 2006 3:33 AM

BOOMERGOODHEART

At D*C, Alan suggested each of the characters get a limited run of their own story, i.e. "The Wash Chronicles", "The River Chronicles". I do believe he was joking, but what an interesting concept!

BoomerGoodheart
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