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Originally posted by Calhoun:
Did anyone else get weirded out by the deleted scene where River wants to get married to Simon and pretends to be pregnant with the pillow?

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Originally posted by flametree:
The scene was hi-larious.

( Does no one else think Simon's devotion to River is a bit over the top? )

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Originally posted by Static:

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Originally posted by flametree:
The scene was hi-larious.

( Does no one else think Simon's devotion to River is a bit over the top? )

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I have a younger sister and she and I are COMPLETELY devoted to each other, and she's not even a half-lunatic victim of horrible corporate experiments!

Of course. . .she DOES teach in the public school system, so I suppose that counts....

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ROFLMAO! That's good!

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Some siblings are very devoted and affectionate, others aren't. I've learned through the process of pursuing my Master's in Ab. Psych, as well as working with middle-school kids that it sometimes (only sometimes) depends upon how the kids are raised. ...

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I agree with you there, Static. As a product of a myriad of family situations as a child and then raising several children of my own, I can attest to that. Everyone has different methods of dealing with their environment. Even what the majority see as "normal" has stresses that must be dealt with and people learn to cope is SOO many different ways. How wonderful that these two have each other to love. I didn't at all get incestuous vibes from those scenes. River acts like a young person that has moments of childish regression. It's perfectly normal for children, both boys and girls, to express a desire to marry and have kids with their parents and other siblings. It's how they learn about relationships and people outside of themselves.

And I didn't get even a HINT of this kind of overtone from the scenes in Serenity where she's naked and Simon's holding her. And neither do the people (Mal and the rest) who are witnessing this or you can be certain they would have done something about it. And with Book's obvious code of moral behavior from his "special Hell" speech to Mal, he would have done some serious counseling on it, if he thought there was anything of the sort going on during that scene.

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This is all pure speculation, but I'd be willing to bet that the Tam kids didn't have a whole lot of friends their age outside of school, and the whole conversation about 'dedicated sourceboxes' and such suggested that they MIGHT have been involved in a home study program or a very exclusive private school. Such environments are not unhealthy at all. . .but lend to VERY close sibling bonds. Those of us who grew up without siblings, or with siblings, yet also a very active social environment might not be able to easily accept seeing siblings that close.

Another VERY good example of this sort of development is the Sci-Fi miniseries "Children of Dune". . .watch that on DVD if you can. . .you can see how close the children are. Not unhealthy. . .not unusual. . .just not the same as what alot of us grow up with.

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Originally posted by Static:

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Originally posted by flametree:
The scene was hi-larious.

( Does no one else think Simon's devotion to River is a bit over the top? )

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I have a younger sister and she and I are COMPLETELY devoted to each other, and she's not even a half-lunatic victim of horrible corporate experiments!

Of course. . .she DOES teach in the public school system, so I suppose that counts....

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ROFLMAO! That's good!

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Some siblings are very devoted and affectionate, others aren't. I've learned through the process of pursuing my Master's in Ab. Psych, as well as working with middle-school kids that it sometimes (only sometimes) depends upon how the kids are raised. ...

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I agree with you there, Static. As a product of a myriad of family situations as a child and then raising several children of my own, I can attest to that. Everyone has different methods of dealing with their environment. Even what the majority see as "normal" has stresses that must be dealt with and people learn to cope is SOO many different ways. How wonderful that these two have each other to love. I didn't at all get incestuous vibes from those scenes. River acts like a young person that has moments of childish regression. It's perfectly normal for children, both boys and girls, to express a desire to marry and have kids with their parents and other siblings. It's how they learn about relationships and people outside of themselves.

And I didn't get even a HINT of this kind of overtone from the scenes in Serenity where she's naked and Simon's holding her. And neither do the people (Mal and the rest) who are witnessing this or you can be certain they would have done something about it. And with Book's obvious code of moral behavior from his "special Hell" speech to Mal, he would have done some serious counseling on it, if he thought there was anything of the sort going on during that scene.

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This is all pure speculation, but I'd be willing to bet that the Tam kids didn't have a whole lot of friends their age outside of school, and the whole conversation about 'dedicated sourceboxes' and such suggested that they MIGHT have been involved in a home study program or a very exclusive private school. Such environments are not unhealthy at all. . .but lend to VERY close sibling bonds. Those of us who grew up without siblings, or with siblings, yet also a very active social environment might not be able to easily accept seeing siblings that close.

Another VERY good example of this sort of development is the Sci-Fi miniseries "Children of Dune". . .watch that on DVD if you can. . .you can see how close the children are. Not unhealthy. . .not unusual. . .just not the same as what alot of us grow up with.

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Originally posted by Kozure:
Like many of River's other supposedly "crazy" moments, her play-acting marriage can also be interpreted to signify that she sees through Saffron's faux-marriage and is trying to draw attention to the ridiculousness (or true nature, one may also say) of the situation.

She specifically chooses to steal a pillow from Saffron's room (instead of her own or a more nearby dorm room) and of course pegs Saffron for exactly what she is... a thief. Not in the immediate sense of stealing the food, but in the larger (and true) role of hijacker.

In re-watching River's scenes, one can usually attribute a specific reason for her apparent insanity, from stripping off Blue Sun labels on food tins to slashing the Blue Sun logo on Jayne's shirt.

Not to say all of her actions have some deep inner meaning but quite a few of them do.

Kozure the Kamikaze Highlander

Proud Citizen of Canada-That-Was

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Originally posted by Kozure:
Like many of River's other supposedly "crazy" moments, her play-acting marriage can also be interpreted to signify that she sees through Saffron's faux-marriage and is trying to draw attention to the ridiculousness (or true nature, one may also say) of the situation.

She specifically chooses to steal a pillow from Saffron's room (instead of her own or a more nearby dorm room) and of course pegs Saffron for exactly what she is... a thief. Not in the immediate sense of stealing the food, but in the larger (and true) role of hijacker.

In re-watching River's scenes, one can usually attribute a specific reason for her apparent insanity, from stripping off Blue Sun labels on food tins to slashing the Blue Sun logo on Jayne's shirt.

Not to say all of her actions have some deep inner meaning but quite a few of them do.

Kozure the Kamikaze Highlander

Proud Citizen of Canada-That-Was

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