Male and Female Imponderables--Snow Blind by Tristan

So quiet today. We need something to ponder.

Hmmmmm...I got nothing. Let's try a classic. If you learned you had 1 month left to live what would you do?

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Friday, October 13, 2006 7:31 AM

TRISTAN

Howdy, imponder-ers. I'm stuck up front again today, so I can't come out and play. I'll also be gone this weekend, so I'll have to catch up on Monday.
Y'all have a great weekend!

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Friday, October 13, 2006 8:17 AM

KELKHIL

Hey Tristan. Enjoy the rat race up front then and have a good weekend.

I concur. It is really quiet today. Hollo o o o o o o o o o o o.

Kelkhil

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Friday, October 13, 2006 8:19 AM

Maybe everybody started their weekend early. Wish I had thought of that.

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Friday, October 13, 2006 8:50 AM

Maybe it's quiet because there's nothing good to ponder. One month left to live is indeed a classic, but somehow it doesn't fire my imagination at the moment. Tats don't either.

What do you think is the right legal age for:

a) consumption of alcohol

b) voting

c) driving

d) registration for military conscription

e) marriage

f) sex

My answers are: unrestricted, sixteen, eighteen, eighteen, eighteen, and f requires a more detailed response - wrt same age partners, unrestricted, wrt to partners age 16-20, sixteen, wrt partners 21 and over, eighteen

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Friday, October 13, 2006 8:50 AM

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Friday, October 13, 2006 9:09 AM

PHOENIXROSE

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.

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If I knew for a fact I had only a month to live I would go lie on a beach somewhere and eat mangoes and chocolate and anything else I pleased, and see how many beautiful people I could talk to. And maybe do other things with.
As for age things:
a) 18
b) 17
c) 16
d) 20
e) 20 (even this, I think, is a little too young. I know it can work for couples who get married really young, but it rarely does.)
f) 18 (with age of consent up to five years at no lower than 16; I've seen way too many girls get totally messed up because they have sex before they're mature enough for it. Probably the same way for boys, but I never got to hear the details of an active male's life at that age)
I need to go to bed...

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Friday, October 13, 2006 9:14 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by mink:
Maybe it's quiet because there's nothing good to ponder. One month left to live is indeed a classic, but somehow it doesn't fire my imagination at the moment. Tats don't either.

What do you think is the right legal age for:

a) consumption of alcohol

b) voting

c) driving

d) registration for military conscription

e) marriage

f) sex

My answers are: unrestricted, sixteen, eighteen, eighteen, eighteen, and f requires a more detailed response - wrt same age partners, unrestricted, wrt to partners age 16-20, sixteen, wrt partners 21 and over, eighteen

"When I write my memoirs, that sh!t'll be in there, guaranteed."

yikes that's tough. Problem is that I lean more toward hurting the minority because of the majority. Most people are not too mature through their teenage years. They aren't very good at making any decisions.

a.) 25
b.) 18
c.) 16
d.) 18
e.) 20
f.) 16

My reasoning is that around 25 people seem to get over the "I'm a big boy cause I'm drinking" phase. So, then they are drinking for social purposes for the most part. Voting because without a vote no one would make any laws to help younger people. Heck they still don't really, but there's some hope. Driving because teenagers can hold a job by 16 and they need a way to get there. Holding a job is a good way to help them mature. The military is also a good way to whip teens into shape. Possibly a murderous psycho shape, but that's not the point. Even at 20 I doubt many people are mature enough for a good marriage. Kids gots hormones. You're not gonna stop them from having sex by making it illegal anyway. So let em hump like bunnies.

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Friday, October 13, 2006 10:03 AM

"Did he just go crazy and fall asleep?"

How old for a tat or a piercing?

"Well, here I am."

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Friday, October 13, 2006 11:02 AM

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Originally posted by Zeek:

My reasoning is that around 25 people seem to get over the "I'm a big boy cause I'm drinking" phase. So, then they are drinking for social purposes for the most part. >snip< Kids gots hormones. You're not gonna stop them from having sex by making it illegal anyway. So let em hump like bunnies.

I would say the sex argument applies almost as well to alcohol. I was born into a culture (Germany) where beer is practically a food staple and its consumption is taken as a matter of course. They aren't too hung up on drinking ages there (though they don't necessarily encourage it for youngsters - by the time you're 16, however, no one cares) and as a result, no one feels that "I'm a big boy cause I'm drinking." Raising the legal age to 25, however, would make someone feel like a "really big boy" when drinking.

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Friday, October 13, 2006 11:02 AM

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Originally posted by Zeek:

My reasoning is that around 25 people seem to get over the "I'm a big boy cause I'm drinking" phase. So, then they are drinking for social purposes for the most part. >snip< Kids gots hormones. You're not gonna stop them from having sex by making it illegal anyway. So let em hump like bunnies.

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Friday, October 13, 2006 11:14 AM

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Originally posted by mink:
Raising the legal age to 25, however, would make someone feel like a "really big boy" when drinking.

True. I guess I'm thinking these would actually be enforced.

The problem with the sex one is that even if enforce, I think kids would still do it. We'd just end up with everyone having a wrap sheet by the age of consent.

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Friday, October 13, 2006 11:38 AM

One month to go:
1.) Get my affairs in order (legal, personal and spiritual)
2.) Spend time with family and friends.
3.) Spend the last day at the beach of one of the Great Lakes

a.) In a quandy about this as I feel that most of the problems with alcohol abuse with teens (and adults for that matter) come from it having been 'forbidden fruit' as it were. My mother wasn't allowed to have any alcohol growing up at all. When she was 16, she and a friend got their hands on a bottle of whiskey and almost killed themselves with alcohol poisioning. So, when she had me and my siblings, the rule was, if you wanted to drink something, let one of the parental units know and we were allowed to as long as we were at home. My folks raised us with no wild drinking issues (actually my brother and I are pretty much tee-totalers.) so I'm partially for just junking the age thing. But then, I think about my brother's friends in high school and want the age limit up at 21. *shrug*

b.) 16 If you can work, you should have a say in government.

c.) 16, but if you have a DWI or as DUI you lose the right until you're 18.

d.) 18 or 19.

e.) 20. Let the hormones settle so you can figure out if it can last or not.

f.) 17. Still too many predators out there, kids need to be protected from.

g.) 18 for a tat or piercing. There are just too many possible health issues that a kid won't think about, that hopefully their folks will.

And how about an:

i.) age to be able to have a job. 17. I think kids need to be able to concentrate on school and the school & job thing is a major physical/mental drain that they should be a bit older when trying to juggle those.

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Friday, October 13, 2006 2:16 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by RMMC:

And how about an:

i.) age to be able to have a job. 17. I think kids need to be able to concentrate on school and the school & job thing is a major physical/mental drain that they should be a bit older when trying to juggle those.

Again, allow me to retort: for some kids, having a job is of great significance on the getting by side of things, and for many kids, their high school sucks so bad they're probably better off spending time somewhere else.

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Friday, October 13, 2006 2:16 PM

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Originally posted by RMMC:

And how about an:

i.) age to be able to have a job. 17. I think kids need to be able to concentrate on school and the school & job thing is a major physical/mental drain that they should be a bit older when trying to juggle those.

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Friday, October 13, 2006 2:40 PM

JAMESTHEDARK

If I had one month to go, I'd probably go insane, just because I'd never done it before. That, and I'd rack up a lot of personal debt doing things I've always wanted to do, very likely screwing a lot of financial institutions over and pissing off a lot of money lenders.

I really don't think we should leave anything in the hands of teenagers, unless we treat our teenagers a lot more brutally than we do now (not that we should, mind you). The reason teenies were considered adults in the old days is because they had to be. If they didn't grow up fast, they died, quickly and often painfully. Still, I hold a lot of disdain for the less than mature members of my own age group.

Bah, I'm just having one of those weeks.

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Friday, October 13, 2006 2:57 PM

"Did he just go crazy and fall asleep?"

Quote:
Originally posted by mink/JonnyQuest/RMMC:
What do you think is the right legal age for:

a) consumption of alcohol
b) voting
c) driving
d) registration for military conscription
e) marriage
f) sex
g) tat or piercing
i) age to be able to have a job

Okay, okay, I'll play. Wasn't going to but why not?

a) consumption of alcohol - No starter age for drinking in the home. Moderation/"drink responsibly" determined, monitored and enforced by the parent(s). With Mink on this one. It was quite customary in our home for me to have a beer with pizza (yeah they had that then), a glass of wine with the Sunday meal and an aperatif when the occasion called for it. I do believe however that as time goes on there a link between this age and the "going out with my friends" age.

b) voting - Direct connection here between this and the draft registration. ("Draft"? Beer? Is he repeating himself?) Okay "Conscription". Unbearable thought to send anyone to war without having a say at some level. Also related to the taxation I attached to RMMC's job holding. Where's my tax money going?

c) driving - When are you able to drive? Restricted licenses for all those passing the appropriate tests. We all knew how to drive before drivers' ed. It was a farming community and if you couldn't drive the tractor and the pickup you weren't much use. Unrestricted? Sure why not 16? It's a good arbitrary number.

d) registration for military conscription - Um. Depends on the desperation of the situation, eh? Registration at legal adulthood to start with; if they can hold up a gun with two hands, young or old, club 'em over the head and put 'em in the back of the van until we get back to HQ, when you get to the point that every step you take is in retreat.

e) marriage - Depends on the culture entirely. If arranged marriages are your way (is that better than a plan?) then (eww) breeding age. If the love bug has to bite first, then it's adulthood. Age of consent? What the hell is that? It's like the age of accountability or reckoning when you're eligible to get saved. Who can set that rule? Don't get me started on statutory rape laws. (17-17 is "legally" okay though "morally" reprehensible. 18-18 is okay all around; eh. 18-17 and somebody goes to jail. Huh? Same two kids in each case, born 6 months apart. Don't get me started.) 'Course this part o' the rant should probably be in the next section.

f) sex - Same as whatever the dating age is. (see "going out with my friends" above.) SAFELY! Maybe you don't need the whole thing all at once. Maybe just dip in your toes, er, so to speak. Parenting 101. Don't let the friends be the first to educate your child. People worry too much about sex education in the schools: we know most of it long before then. Education in the home needs to start early. Same caution to parents: maybe you don't need the whole thing all at once. Maybe just dip in your toes, so to speak.

g) tat or piercing - As long as the salon is clean and, what, certified?, and the 'too or piercing is "acceptable" (no cussing or porn, no genital work of any kind (includes secondary sex trait: nipples)), see "going out with my friends" again. This goes along with hair length/style/color and apparel. Oh drat, it's permanent. Life lesson, move on.

"h)" - apparently the equivalent of the 13th floor in this thread...

i) age to be able to have a job/pay taxes - No child labor sweat shops for sure, but helping out at the family business, delivering papers (ugh) and other time-honored job-training jobs, could be good at any age. So I'm going to assume we're talking "real" jobs here. I lazed my way through all levels of school, and I must say I was VERY unprepared, yea, even unwilling, to join the workforce. Necessity is the Mutha-fa of inspiration and I "learned" how to survive. Not the best training ground. Feet wet young, jump into the deep end at adulthood.

In fact, that pretty much summarizes my whole stance. No "restriction" by law under parental supervision when very young; experimentation, investigation and probationary restrictions when pubescent; and full right to fall down and make an ass of yourself at adulthood. Hurt ANYONE along the way and the responsible party (parent with appropriate, child when appropriate, shared when appropriate.) Rights increase as responsibility does: age is not the determining factor.

Am I a radical?

"Well, here I am."

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Friday, October 13, 2006 4:51 PM

TRAVELER

Quote:
Originally posted by JonnyQuest:
Quote:
Originally posted by mink/JonnyQuest/RMMC:
What do you think is the right legal age for:

a) consumption of alcohol
b) voting
c) driving
d) registration for military conscription
e) marriage
f) sex
g) tat or piercing
i) age to be able to have a job

Tried to find the original post but there are over 100 to look through already.

a) Well I didn't start drinking until I was 21. Became a raving alcoholic by age 35. Was in treatment with two 18 year olds and a guy in his 60's. So my vote is alcohol is a stupid waste of time.

b) When I was eligible for the draft back in 1970 I was not old enough to vote. So I could have been sent to war without any say as to whether we should be in the war or not. So will stick with 18. Look at the people who are in political office and tell they are mature.

c) That is the one thing I could do at 16. Males are the worst at that age. Women are more responsible behind the wheel. But we can't be sexist, so will stick with 16. Most really bad accidents don't occur until alcohol is involved.
See "a" above.

d) The reason the miltary takes people at a very young age is because they vulnerable to persuasion. Their minds are still clay and can be molded into anything. If you have seen "Full Metal Jacket" you can see how good the military is at persuasion. Of course no moral values are attached to this so you have the attrocities that are occuring in Iraq.
So I go with 21. At least give them some time to learn about life before they learn about death.

e) This is one I will pass on because I never married and don't feel qualified to answer. Most people I know end up getting divorced if they married to young.

f) Since most people are not mature until the are 50 they might as well have sex when they are 16. Hormones dictate a lot of our actions and they are hard to fight against. Problem is most people don't know what safe sex is. God forbide we teach anyone in our schools about it. My parents didn't know everything when they taught me. If we teach our children from day one that it is something wonderful and not a dark secret than 16 would work because they would know what they are doing. So there are a lot of ifs to this plan.

g) Here again you have to teach your children what is responsible. I met a parent who allowed her 10 year old boy to have a pierced ear. But I have seen piecing in places on the body that are not allowed to be exposed in public. So piercing is a fuzzy subject. Ear at 13. Below the ear 18.

h)Work at a young age helps create responsibility. But it has to be safe. I read a book on the turn of the century, 1800's to 1900's. There was a photograph of the crew that would pull foreign objects out of coal coming up conveyors from the mines. They were all dressed the same. Coveralls, heavy coats, caps, and scarves to cover their faces from the coal dust. They were black from the dust. They stood together like they were a team. They had stern faces of hard working and serious men. Not one of them was over 13. But you could see it in their faces, they were men. Not a profession I would choose for my child, but you could see the confidence and the selfesteem in their faces, even through the coal dust. Maybe the coal dust added to the effect.

Footnote: Maturity is on going and is not a constant. Life experinces can bring on maturity and also stagnate it. I grew up in a disfunctional family. That is putting it mildly. Believe me! So I was not very mature until much later than most. I still have a long way to go. But the journey is the thing, if you have the right goals. Give your children the right goals and show them the results of those goals and they will surprize you.

So how old do you have to be to have children?

Traveler

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Friday, October 13, 2006 6:29 PM

CHRISMOORHEAD

Sixteen for all. High School should end at 16 and military service should be compulsory immediately subsequent.

Those are my political opinions. My selfish answers are:

a) never

b) 21

c) 18

d) 5

e) 21

f) 21 pending marriage

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Friday, October 13, 2006 8:04 PM

Keep in mind, it's not so much about your personal opinion as to what is a good idea for people to be doing (e.g., should they drink alcohol, ever). Rather, it is your attitude toward the "nanny state". To what degree do we need to have a paternalistic government attempting to dictate these things? To what degree do we need to, as a nation, step on the individual judgment of the (admittedly mostly retarded) adolescents and the (admittedly often sickeningly misguided and irresponsible) parents.

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Saturday, October 14, 2006 5:01 AM

MAGDALENA

"No power in the 'verse can stop me!"

hmmmmm... somehow I can't get my head around either of these imponderables properly... forgive me if I ramble...

I guess if I had one month to live I'd rob a bank in a totally undetectable manner, go to the US & ... uh... make the most of my time there (& it would involve Baileys, strawberries and at least one Big Damn Hero!

)

Quote:

Originally posted by mink/JonnyQuest/RMMC:
What do you think is the right legal age for:

a) consumption of alcohol
b) voting
c) driving
d) registration for military conscription
e) marriage
f) sex
g) tat or piercing
i) age to be able to have a job

I love what you wrote Traveler and it applies to all of the above too...

Quote:

Maturity is on going and is not a constant. Life experinces can bring on maturity and also stagnate it. I grew up in a disfunctional family. That is putting it mildly. Believe me! So I was not very mature until much later than most. I still have a long way to go. But the journey is the thing, if you have the right goals. Give your children the right goals and show them the results of those goals and they will surprise you.

With that in mind it is such a subjective thing that it is really difficult to say this is the universal age for this activity and that is the universal age for that... just like all babies there is a huge variance in when we are ready for different things, but then in a society where there is less and less parental discipline and more and more outside influence on our kids some laws need to be made, though it is difficult to say they need to be enforced to a 'T'...

a)in public 18 - I say in public because responsible consumption of alcohol can begin much earlier and has done for centuries...

b) I tend to think 18 because it is the age ot which we usually leave school and gain employment of some sort... we usually have a little bit of a sense of oursevles and are not as vulnerable to manipulation as at a younger age, but it is a resonable responsibility and privilege at this age.

c)18 - and with the kind of Learners process we have here in Victoria, Australia - where the Learner driver keeps a log book of their hours and driving conditions until they meet the minimum requirement.

d) at least 18 - until then very few people have the emotional maturity to deal with the kind of psychological growth that is required in a relatively short time in training and many young people wouldn't have the sense of respect nescessary either.

e) marriage - maybe 21 though honestly if it's legal to have sex it must also be legal to be married... so I guess 18. I am very wary of those who'd want younger people to be married and would question their emotional maturity & whether there were other parties with hidden motives at play.

f) realistically it has to be 16 because of the physical maturity our youth attains by this age - but there should be a lot more demystifying of the whole experienc, because the number of my friends who ended up traumatised by having sex out of curiosity and then feeling unable to cope with it all afterwards dramatically outweighed the friends who had satisfying experiences at that sort of age.

g) it's so hard to say - for instance pierced ears are socially acceptable - though I think really young children look disfigured even with pierced ears... then there's the damage that can be done to nerves & teeth etc... so maybe 18 for all other body parts? how do you legislate that? I was allowed to get my ears pierced at 16 & so were both of my sisters... Tattoos I think need to be 18 so there is a sense of responsibility in making such a permanent decision.

h) I think 15 for certain jobs - it teaches a youth the benefit of hard work, the responsibility and the rewards for reliability and hard work and gives them a sense of purpose... but not too young!

Hmmmmm - age to have children - of course you cannot really enforce a law like that Traveler so it kind of ties in with the sex/marriage things - though I realise there should be a 'legal guardian' for those babies born to parents under 18. I wanted to have a baby when I was 4 (seriously!!)... 35 years on - I'm glad I didn't do it with the wrong person any earlier, I didn't know myself & I have not been in a relationship that would have been healthy or would have lasted, but I am a bit sad that this hasn't happened for me... just not prepared to do it alone (I think I said this recently?)

Well good night imponderers... love you all - Magda x x x

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Saturday, October 14, 2006 10:08 AM

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Originally posted by JonnyQuest:

e)Don't get me started on statutory rape laws. (17-17 is "legally" okay though "morally" reprehensible. 18-18 is okay all around; eh. 18-17 and somebody goes to jail. Huh? Same two kids in each case, born 6 months apart. Don't get me started.) 'Course this part o' the rant should probably be in the next section.

When I mentioned that law, Jonny, I was thinking of the age requirement for what we have here in Michigan, which is 16. Yea, that's why at SF cons in the state, the program guide will remind folks that "15 will get you 20." Sorry, but I had forgotten that theis law varies from state-to-state. To me that does seem reasonable as I really think that kids under 16 do need protecting. (This is also why I think that ninth grade should not be in the high schools. The kids are not mature enough to be in that environment. And, yes, I had that opinion when I was in junior and high school.

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Originally posted by JonnyQuest:

"h)" - apparently the equivalent of the 13th floor in this thread...

I freely admit to flunking 'Begining Alphabet' that day.

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Originally posted by JonnyQuest:

In fact, that pretty much summarizes my whole stance. No "restriction" by law under parental supervision when very young; experimentation, investigation and probationary restrictions when pubescent; and full right to fall down and make an ass of yourself at adulthood. Hurt ANYONE along the way and the responsible party (parent with appropriate, child when appropriate, shared when appropriate.) Rights increase as responsibility does: age is not the determining factor.

Am I a radical?

Part of this sounds okay, but it also sounds a bit too "Big Brother is watching" to me. Parenting actually needs to be done by the parents involved. There's already too much that a lot of parents in the USA think that the government should be doing for them in regards to what's broadcast on TV, radio, printed in books. They want things banned, completely prohibited so they don't actually have to bother monitoring what their children are watching, listening to or reading. I don't mind the labeling/rating systems, as that gives parents who actually bother with their children something to base their decisions on.

Maybe if they just make one age the go for adulthood, and anyone who 'screws up' which results in anyone being injured and you lose your adult status immediately, and have to then work to prove when and if you ever get it back.

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Sunday, October 15, 2006 12:52 AM

MAGDALENA

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'Tis time to start a new thread with a new ponderance...

http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=2&t=24652

So go over there and start pondering... enjoy!

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Monday, October 16, 2006 4:23 AM

"Did he just go crazy and fall asleep?"

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Originally posted by RMMC:
Quote:
Originally posted by JonnyQuest:

e)Don't get me started on statutory rape laws

To me that does seem reasonable as I really think that kids under 16 do need protecting.

Sadly, the preditors are out there and there have to be strict laws and enforcement and prosecution to protect our kids. (And by "our" I mean as a nation, state, community; as a society. Not "my" kids...) Recent news (and not so recent) has reminded us of this. I do not want to imply that child protection ought to vanish althogether.

Quote:

Quote:
Originally posted by JonnyQuest:

In fact, that pretty much summarizes my whole stance. No "restriction" by law under parental supervision when very young; experimentation, investigation and probationary restrictions when pubescent; and full right to fall down and make an ass of yourself at adulthood. Hurt ANYONE along the way and the responsible party (parent with appropriate, child when appropriate, shared when appropriate.) Rights increase as responsibility does: age is not the determining factor.

Am I a radical?

Quote:
Part of this sounds okay, but it also sounds a bit too "Big Brother is watching" to me. Parenting actually needs to be done by the parents involved.

Maybe if they just make one age the go for adulthood, and anyone who 'screws up' which results in anyone being injured and you lose your adult status immediately, and have to then work to prove when and if you ever get it back.

I hope not! I proposing the gov. back out of our business. I completely agree that parenting ought to be by the parents. I'm just saying (jus' sayin') I don't think age has ever been the appropriate guideline for any of these things. We use age because it's easy and definable. Maturity ability and responsibility are those qualities which should determine what we should be able to do when. It's different for every individual. What gets tricky is determing when this occurs for each individual. And that's why we've given in to the age thing. If age is what we are going to use, then i like your plan. ("Plan"? Don't get me started...

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Monday, October 16, 2006 5:09 AM

MSG

Morning all- It was so quiet because the mouthy MsG was out sick...sadly the beloved MisterG came home and mentioned a sore throat. I didn't think much of is and drank out of his soda can and bingo we both have a nasty cold, which sadly mutated into a sinus infection for me so I've spent my nice 4 day weekend being really sick, which also sucks because that's how I spent last weekend..ok enough sad and whiny behavior...

Ponderable ( right age to)
a)18 or older( due to still developing brain)
b)16
c)20 ( I swear it's a miracle that any of us make it out alive driving around at age 16...also I think the maximum driving age should be 80, sooner if you can't pass and eyesight and reflex test)
d)25- need the psychological balance of maturity to be able to come out of that reasonably well.
e)21 or older
f)one year later than the year you think you're ready to have sex

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Monday, October 16, 2006 11:24 AM

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Originally posted by JonnyQuest:

I don't think age has ever been the appropriate guideline for any of these things. We use age because it's easy and definable. Maturity ability and responsibility are those qualities which should determine what we should be able to do when. It's different for every individual. What gets tricky is determing when this occurs for each individual.

Hear, hear. I just loathe and despise the current trend that everyone should do everything on the same time schedule. Some friends of mine have a young child whom the doctors scared the heck out of by telling them 'oh, he should be doing "x" by now and since he's not there's something wrong.' The doctors terrorized them for three years by saying things like that. The upshot? The kid is just fine. He's was just on a different timetable and got there and well past in his own time. Heck, he's learned to read a lot sooner that I had as a child. Grrrr....

MsG: sorry to hear you've been under the weather with that virus thingy. Good thoughts going your way.

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Monday, October 16, 2006 11:27 AM

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*I warned you*

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We die for you
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Monday, October 16, 2006 1:02 PM