Dr. Who episode homage to Firefly episode 'Out of Gas' ?? by Anonymous1

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Originally posted by FloralBunny:
The spare parts business is not unusual.
Pre-Rev. France?????

The Doctor is a Timelord, so Pre-Rev. France is not unusual.

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Saturday, October 21, 2006 10:32 PM

FLORALBUNNY

But I was wondering where Pre-Rev. France
fit into an homage to FF/S...
Or have I slipped over the edge into the
land of lost synapses?

bun, scuffing up brain, looking for French Connection
~Bastards singed my turtle~

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Sunday, October 22, 2006 4:22 AM

PENGUIN

?????????????

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Sunday, October 22, 2006 6:00 AM

TEACHDAIRE

The whole "cowboys" quote is based on a bit of english slang.

The doctor is referring to the repairs the robots have made when he makes the "cowboys" comment.

In the UK, a "cowboy" refers to a tradesman (builder, plumber, electrician etc) who just does a bodge job on something, collect his money and does a runner. No quality inspection, no sfetly checks or anything like that.

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Sunday, October 22, 2006 8:17 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by FloralBunny:
But I was wondering where Pre-Rev. France
fit into an homage to FF/S...
Or have I slipped over the edge into the
land of lost synapses?

bun, scuffing up brain, looking for French Connection

Heh, the French Connection.

Some people have complained about there being horses in Firefly. Like how could people 500 years in the future take horses on spaceships to a new solar system. That is just not possible. They couldn't do that. They would not want to do that. But they are accepting the perspective that people could get to another solar system...so why can't they accept the perspective that people would figure out a way to get horses there too. They are using their imaginations but not enough. Consider horses and cloning or frozen embryoes and artificial wombs. Populating planets to make new earths would include at least some well-loved animals. Dogs and Horses among them.

Mickey says "What's a horse doing on a spaceship?"

The Doctor says "What's pre-revolutionary France doing on a spaceship. Get a little perspective."

The spaceship has timewindows to pre-revolutionary France. Being a Timelord, there has to be some timetravel stuff in each episode.

Browncoats might say in answer to the question
What's horses doing in a science fiction future?

What's spaceships, a new solar system with terra-formed planets, psychic powers, cloning, frozen embryoes and artificial wombs doing in a science fiction future. Get a little perspective or more imagination.

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Sunday, October 22, 2006 8:25 AM

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Originally posted by Teachdaire:
The whole "cowboys" quote is based on a bit of english slang.

The doctor is referring to the repairs the robots have made when he makes the "cowboys" comment.

In the UK, a "cowboy" refers to a tradesman (builder, plumber, electrician etc) who just does a bodge job on something, collect his money and does a runner. No quality inspection, no sfetly checks or anything like that.

Do you have the Dr. Who DVD for that episode?

Here in the colonies, my boss uses the term cowboy to refer to computer people who try something to fix a problem without thinking about it first--cowboy--shoot first and ask questions later.

Nobody thought the ship looked like an insect?

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Sunday, October 22, 2006 4:29 PM

FLORALBUNNY

Okay.

Disposal of cowboys accomplished (thought not in RL).

French cuffed into submission.

Horse export problem solved (even with improved
lift capacity, it's more efficient to transport
horses at smaller stages).

I maintain that "lack of spare parts" is one of a
group of universally used, life-based plot
elements.
("For want of a nail the shoe was lost" springs to mind)

Tell us where to look at the ship and I am quite
sure we'll tell you what we think it looks like.

bun, organizing
~Bastards resembled my turtle~

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Sunday, October 22, 2006 4:46 PM

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Originally posted by FloralBunny:
Tell us where to look at the ship and I am quite
sure we'll tell you what we think it looks like.

Several scenes like in "Out of Gas" of just the ship floating in space.

One scene in particular where I think it looked like a insect. The wing-like section is pointing up and the tail section is pointing down. It is right before Mickey and the girl find the mirror door to France and the Doctor walks in followed by the horse.

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Sunday, October 22, 2006 4:56 PM

SERENITYVALLEY

When Mickey said that it always comes down to thet parts, I definitely thought of Out of Gas, but I didn't think that they were doing it on purpose.

But they are known for making references to other sci-fi stuff. (The funniest one is when the Doctor admits he's met Arthur Dent, but I think that's because Adams wrote for Doctor Who back in the day.)

http://www.simple-assault.com/Firefly.htm

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Sunday, October 22, 2006 8:05 PM

While I think the similaritiies between Dr Who`s `Girl in the Fireplace` and Firefly`s `Out of Gas` are at best superficial, after watching the first two episodes of Torchwood last night it struck me how much Russel Davis`s writing is similar to Joss`s.
There was a very Buffy/Angel feel to the whole thing except it was set in Cardiff and with aliens instead of deamons.

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Sunday, October 22, 2006 9:50 PM

TEACHDAIRE

The jury's still out for me as far as Torchwood goes.

As a Dr Who crossover, I don't think it works, but as a stand alone sci-fi drama series, it's pretty good. I also like the way they can deal with issues that wouldn't get on a pre-watershed program (the whole second episode for example, and the very graphic headshot in the first). The writing does, however, look like something Joss would come up with.

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Monday, October 23, 2006 1:33 AM

MSG

Hey thanks for an explaination of the cowboy comment...it seemed odd to me:)
Haven't seen Torchwood yet as we're just now getting series 2 of the doctor here and I don't know if sci-fi or bbcamerica will carry torchwood.

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Monday, October 23, 2006 2:13 AM

TEACHDAIRE

Not only that, I've been hearing vague rumours about another Dr Who spin off, this time centered around Rose and Mickey.

Personally, I think that one is not going to be as good, but we'll have to see if it even happens.

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Monday, October 23, 2006 7:32 AM

Do`nt know about that one but there has been a couple of rumours about a new series called `Sara Jane Investigates` featuring Sara Jane Smith and K9.
It all sounds to me a bit like a pilot episode they made years ago called `K9 and Company` which never went in to a series, perhaps with the success of Dr Who they`ve decided to dust off this old idea and give it another go.

Incidently, are you yanks getting the `Tardisodes`.
These were short additional scenes/trailers for each season 2 episode, downloadable over the internet or over mobiles. (and not, as you might at first think, some short of strange disease)

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The `Girl in the Fireplace` one for example gives you a bit more background on what happened to the ship`s crew.

I think you can still find them on the BBC Dr Who site.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/video/

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Tuesday, October 24, 2006 6:54 AM

BOOMERGOODHEART

I must say, in watching this episode, in no way did my thought process jump to Firefly. Of course, that could just be because I'm having so much fun watching David Tennant as the Doctor. I was disappointed when I found out that Christopher Eccleston wasn't signed on for season 2, but man have they proved me wrong! Oh, and did anyone see David as Casanova on Masterpiece Theatre? As the Doctor would say..."Fantastic!".

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Tuesday, October 24, 2006 10:19 AM

GRIZWALD

I LOVED him as Casanova. He was so unlikely as a Master o' Love.

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Tuesday, October 24, 2006 5:20 PM

BERENTAUR

I didn't think of Firefly when I was watching 'Girl in the Fireplace', but I was reminded of Firefly a lot when I was watching the two part story 'The Impossible Plant'/ 'The Satan Pit' later in the season. It'd be interesting to see what people think when it's shown in the US.

David Tennant is fun to watch. Love him as the Doctor.

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Tuesday, October 24, 2006 8:05 PM

There are definate similarities there, with that two parter they were going for a `down and dirty` look for future space travel in the design of the sanctuary base.
When you got a good look at the ship though, it had more of a `50`s Sci Fi/V2/Dan Dare look to it than anything seen in US made SF series in recent years, and overall the primary influence in this story is obviously `Aliens`.

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Thursday, October 26, 2006 1:20 AM

I am going to sound like such a geek by answering all these. Ah well, I guess thta's just me.

Russell T Davies (the show runner for Doctor Who and Torchwood) is a fan of Joss Whedon's work ut I don't believe that this was a tribute to Out of Gas as it was written by Steven Moffatt anyways!

The creators said the spaceship was designed to look like a key to go with the clockwork robots theme. Definitely NOT an insect.

The Rose spin-off got the greenlight at the BBC but Russell T Davies pulled the plug when he feared it wouldn't work. Billie Piper has said she wants to move on anyway although from a recent interview on British TV she sounded like she may already be missing the crew and cast of the show and possibly regretting not being involved. Noel Clarke who played Mickey is one of the writers signed to Torchwood.

The Sarah Jane Investigates series has gone into production and is not based on K9 and Company, RTD was never involved in that.

Torchwood is a very different show to Doctor Who and I must admit I love the first two episodes and the behind the scenes shows that came on at almost 3 in the morning and lots of folks missed!

Andy

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Thursday, October 26, 2006 1:34 AM

NICODEMUS

Speaking of behind the scenes stuff, did the US audiences get Dr Who Confidential? I'm still kinda disappointed we didn't get them in Australia, as they sound like they woulda been worth seeing.

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Thursday, October 26, 2006 2:54 AM

ARBAS

Quote:
Originally posted by Anonymous1:
Quote:
Originally posted by FloralBunny:
But I was wondering where Pre-Rev. France
fit into an homage to FF/S...
Or have I slipped over the edge into the
land of lost synapses?

bun, scuffing up brain, looking for French Connection

Heh, the French Connection.

Some people have complained about there being horses in Firefly. Like how could people 500 years in the future take horses on spaceships to a new solar system.

Horses fit perfectly into Firefly - When you terraform a planet (presumably lifeless) you change it's environment to suit Earth life, animals, people, plants etc. any mineral deposits are still in existence of course but there are no fossil fuels - on the Core planets there's enough wealth to fund expensive transport technologys but on the outer planets you need a cheap, self sustaining technology therefore horses, mules, donkeys, oxen and the like. Perfectly logical :)

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Thursday, October 26, 2006 4:31 AM

ROCKETJOCK

As Robert Heinlein pointed out fifty years ago, horses can make little horses, which is a trick jeeps and tractors haven't managed to learn yet...

"She's tore up plenty. But she'll fly true." -- Zoë Washburn

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Thursday, October 26, 2006 7:21 AM

Hardly surprising RTD was`nt involved in `K9 and Company`. It was so long ago he was probably still in school at the time!

As far as the Rose spin off is concerned, It would probably have looked to much like Torchwood to work. Be interesting to see what this Philip Pulman costume drama Billie is now working on develops in to.

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Saturday, October 28, 2006 9:17 AM

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Originally posted by Rabbit2:
Hardly surprising RTD was`nt involved in `K9 and Company`. It was so long ago he was probably still in school at the time!

This made me laugh because I had to check when K9 and Co aired to work it out and RTD would have been 17 or 18 a the time as he's 42 now! I really thought it had come out later than 1981.

I have only heard one of the Sarah Jane audio books so far but I thought it was worth listening and I have bought another to listen to before too long too. SO the character has stuck around pretty well its not just RTD who has ressurected her for the new fans.

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Saturday, October 28, 2006 10:06 AM

Elisebeth Sladen has actually played Sara Jane in a number of things as well as the audio books. In the years after the cancelation of the old series, Dr Who appeared occasionally in radio series form with various people reprising their own roles. There was even a straight to video version of a Dr Who novel called `Downtime` which featured several ex Dr Who characters (including Sara Jane) joining forces to save the world without the Doctor being present. Considering its low budget its production values were at least up to the standard of the old TV series.

It just goes to show that, with a large active fanbase, just because some idiot decides to cancel a show then it will still continue in some form no matter what.

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Saturday, October 28, 2006 11:50 AM

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Originally posted by Rabbit2:

It just goes to show that, with a large active fanbase, just because some idiot decides to cancel a show then it will still continue in some form no matter what.

Nice sentiment! As long as the people who own the copyrights don't decide to shut the fans down!!!

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Sunday, October 29, 2006 2:58 AM

BOOMERGOODHEART

Ok, I'm in the dark as to what this "Torchwood" business is! I live in the US and haven't heard of it. I wonder if Sci-Fi will pick it up, as well?

Hey! You in the know over in the UK! Fill in us poor folk across the pond, would ya?

BoomerGoodheart
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Sunday, October 29, 2006 4:33 AM