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Originally posted by citizen:
"The law is like the doors to a rich hotel, open to everyone."

Welcome to twentith century law, I'm afraid most of it is aimed directly at protecting property for those rich enough to say it's theirs.

Anyone who thinks the law has anything to do with Justice is a bloody loony.

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Originally posted by citizen:
"The law is like the doors to a rich hotel, open to everyone."

Welcome to twentith century law, I'm afraid most of it is aimed directly at protecting property for those rich enough to say it's theirs.

Anyone who thinks the law has anything to do with Justice is a bloody loony.

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
There were others who obeyed the letter of the law.... Those were the Germans who followed the Nazis in WWII, when in their hearts they knew what they were doing and what was being done was wrong. They did this out of fear and because they had no power.

I realize that the Holocaust and copyright violations are two very different ballparks, but this fact does not nullify the value of one topic next to the other. This (copyrights) is a very important issue, and people should not blindly follow the leader here. This is not an issue that is only black and white. There are many shades of gray that are all going to the copyright holders because they have the money and the lawyers and all the time in the world to copyright every word we speak in the end.

I'm from America myself and our forefathers promoted speaking against your government. They told us that the price for freedom was eternal vigilance. They abhored the idea of a centralized government and the now common notion that the government should provide for it's people. If we mindlessly "obey the letter of the law" as you put it, without asking any questions, then we are just condoning our own slavery and admitting our dependence to them, and we then diserve no better.

I am an artist as well. True artists are not in it for the money. Most of them have other jobs or they starve. A great majority of artists sadly never even get noticed until after they are dead, if ever. True artists don't sell their souls so they can make a million dollars when their song is the theme for a new sports car. There isn't a thing that I would create in the world that I wouldn't want somebody else to have the ability to recreate and make better themselves. Copyrights limit our ability to evolve on an artistic and intellectual level as a species which, when you really think about it, is a very good thing if you're planning to go to war with every country in the world and you want your people mindlessly "obeying the letter of the law" and not questioning why.

Respectfully,
Mark

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack

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Originally posted by citizen:

...I'm afraid most of it is aimed directly at protecting property for those rich enough to say it's theirs.

Well not really, Datsun/Nissan had more money.

Anyone who thinks the law has anything to do with Justice is a bloody loony.

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As for our founding fathers abhorring "the idea of a centralized government and the now common notion that the government should provide for it's people" WHAT? What are you taking about?

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The issue is this. Browncoats made their own unlicensed product and sold them. Others of us purchased them. Everything was hunky dory until the powers that be realized they were losing money. They sought to stop it. As is their right. Does it suck for 11th Hour and the others? Yes. But they knew the risks and they took them. Don't do the crime if you can't pay the time. Simple as that.

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
FUTUREMRSFILLION: Ah, yes... the dangers of brining up Nazism in any debate. Such a touchy subject for most that the entire point of the argument can so easily be lost, misquoted, or misdirected.

As I have said before, I do not believe that I used that example in a careless or unscrupulous manner. I am not an anarchist. I believe there are many laws which have been created which are of great benefit to society. That being said, it would be foolish for I, or anyone else for that matter, to believe that every single law that has ever been created was established with the sole intention of protecting and benefiting mankind as a whole. The fact is, it's the rich that make the laws the poor must abide by. To infer from my writing that I believe that anybody who obeys a law is a Nazi is complete hogwash and I implore you to read what I have written again with a receptive mind and truly see where I was making the parallel.

I would not be foolish enough to bring up Nazism in a debate about the validity and necessity of copyright, if that is all we were discussing in itself. If this were the case, then you and DAMIENWOLFE would be well within your rights to label me a lunatic or accuse me of bad form. I would do the same for anyone else who would carelessly toss around the holocaust as if the holocaust happened only for the benefit of simpletons who cannot prove their point in any other matter.

It is a long thread and I will concede that it may have been easy to miss where this was truly directed, so I will take the time to explain my train of thought here:

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
I won't go to deep into a history lesson here, but may I submit a few quotes from Thomas Jefferson and my favorite quote from Benjamin Franklin which may enlighten you and help illustrate my point at the same time:

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Originally posted by ecgordon:

That's my question too. Your post was so short and didn't really say anything, am I wrong to try to figure out what you did mean?

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