What are your *least* favorite Firefly moments? by Okkay

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What are your *least* favorite Firefly moments?

POSTED BY: OKKAY
UPDATED: Saturday, February 14, 2004 06:39
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Thursday, February 5, 2004 3:42 PM

In regards to Tracy: I have little trouble understanding their need for a carrier and the fact that Tracy trusted that he would get his organs back from the people he was smuggling for. The thing I had a problem with (and I'm sure this has been mentioned before. I didn't have time to read all the posts.) was this: didn't the people Tracy was double-crossing have his organs or at least know who did? I mean I'm willing to bet Tracy wasn't keeping 'em in an igloo cooler and toting 'em with him. When he decided to contract with the people that offered a better price wouldn't he be left without organs? That would be bad methinks. Or was he planning on dying anyway, just didn't want to do it without getting that money to his folks?

~Nicole~

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Thursday, February 5, 2004 3:50 PM

XLIMITX

I believe that my least favorite part of Firefly will be when I finish the last episode of the series. My friend let me borrow the first 3 discs of the series so far and I have never been so annoyed with network executives in all o fmy life! I have to wait until tomorrow to get disc 4.

That's the end of my lame post.

-J

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Thursday, February 5, 2004 4:26 PM

BEATLE

Not really a *least* favorite moment, but one I never quite understood. Maybe I should have started a new thread for this but...
In OIS, when River is walking around and 'Hearing' the thoughts or feelings of others, what do the thoughts of Mal and Inra mean? They are talking about her leaving and she says that she is not getting enough customers, and Mal says not to spread so much, Rivers 'Hears" this:

TIGHT SHOT of Inara and Mal. Silence. INARA is looking right at River. MAL looks off in the distance.
INARA
I'm a big girl. Just tell me.
MAL
None of it means a damn thing.

RIVER reacts, confused and looking dizzy.

Are they talking about each other? If so, what do they mean?

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Thursday, February 5, 2004 4:44 PM

SHINY

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Originally posted by Beatle:

INARA
I'm a big girl. Just tell me.
MAL
None of it means a damn thing.

RIVER reacts, confused and looking dizzy.

Are they talking about each other? If so, what do they mean?

INARA's: Two main theories are that it's either 1) directed at Mal (be honest about your feelings towards me) or 2) a memory of something she once said to a doctor (supporting the theory that Inara is terminally ill)

MALs: General existential angst; symbol of his loss of hope/faith after the Battle of Serenity Valley. (or perhaps cynical commentary on the gorram Fox network who cancelled our show just to replace it with reality television garbage?)

RIVER
Purple elephants are flying.
MAL
Good. Thanks for the update.

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Thursday, February 5, 2004 7:56 PM

SAINT JAYNE

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Originally posted by WildHeavenFarm:
I was just saying I would have jumped off the high risk-high payoff plan in favor of the low risk-low payoff plan, since Saffron was involved and things were likely to blow up in their faces at any moment anyhow.

The choice wasn't Mal's to make. There was a plan; many people were involved. Mal taking a measly reward would have been very much like Jack and the Beanstalk.

WildHeavenFarm, you also say "likely to blow up" when they were also so close to the pay-off. If you're thinking about failure, you'll fail. Just my thoughts.

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Friday, February 6, 2004 1:07 PM

MISGUIDED BY VOICES

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Originally posted by Shiny:
Are they talking about each other? If so, what do they mean?

INARA's: Two main theories are that it's either 1) directed at Mal (be honest about your feelings towards me) or 2) a memory of something she once said to a doctor (supporting the theory that Inara is terminally ill)

New theory 1.5 - they are directing their comments at each other, but can't say what they mean to each other, hence neither looking at the other when they speak.

In Inara's case - "you just slept with my best friend from bordello school (why the heck has the Gattaca score just thrown in the motif from Wrath of Khan? Sorry, stream of conciousness posting), is there anything going to happen between us or are we just dancing around?"

Mal - None of what we have been through means a thing; I've literally died for you, and you are running off because feelings scare you.

My 1.57 penneth to the 2c

"I threw up on your bed"

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Saturday, February 7, 2004 3:51 PM

COSMICCONCUBINE

So much to comment on but I'll try to be brief--

I've seen the statements here and there about Inara's client's comment about speeding up time. My understanding was that he didn't literally time but that she had rigged her hourglass so that it gave the impression that more time had passed than had actually done so. I thought that was pretty savvy since that's a common accusation in the sex industry.

Lot's of people don't seem to like "Heart of Gold" but I saw it as the "Seven Samurai"/"Magnificent Seven" episode. Don't ya think? (Though I must say that chase scene at the end was the only thing I found lame in all of the eps.)

Lastly, I wanted to comment on Early's threat to Kaylee. I was really, really bothered by it the first time I saw it. Though I was no less bothered on subsequent viewings I was prepared and I realized that I think it serves something of a useful purpose. Here's why: Kaylee's designed to give us some emotional center, when she is happy it makes us happy, when she is upset or scared we feel it right along with her. If this had actually been a rape scene I would feel differently but I think this is a very good depiction of just how terrifying, debilitating, overpowering and aggressive the threat of rape can be. The actress played it exceptionally well and I think it really brings it home for people who might otherwise make light of the concepts of rape.

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Saturday, February 7, 2004 10:06 PM

HOWLRUNNER

My least favorite scene(s) in the show was the running battle from Serenity to Niska's office in "War Stories". Overall, that is one of my favorite episodes, but it always annoys me greatly that Zoe, a supposed combat veteran, has no idea how to hold a weapon. Everyone else is spot on with their acting. Jayne and Book do a nice job of moving and handling their firearms, Simon looks a little unsure but trying to do his best, and Kaylee panics. Great job from all of them. Zoe... Doesn't. As mentioned earlier, the whole sommersault thing was just bad. Very bad. I just find it strange that there was apparently no one on the cast or directing staff that could or would give her a few pointers.

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Sunday, February 8, 2004 4:37 AM

RITA

so i am not the only one who really didn't like Heart of Gold

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Sunday, February 8, 2004 4:38 AM

RITA

so i am not the only one who really didn't like Heart of Gold

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Sunday, February 8, 2004 6:07 AM

FIREFLYTHEMOVIE

My least favorite moments are certain moments when Simon is practicing medicine: when he holds a syringe he's about to use on someone in his mouth (!--they do still have to worry about infection in the future) which he did at least twice.

Also, on Ariel, when he's saving that random guy's life, and uses the "cardiac infusers" (which look almost exactly like a defibrillator), he holds the metal, non-insulated part. He should have ended up convulsing on the floor. At least Zoë got it right when she used them to knock out the doctor.

Heh. And yet Ariel is one of my very favorite episodes.

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Sunday, February 8, 2004 12:22 PM

BRONZEGIANT

I'd have to say that my least favorite moment would be our introduction to Kaylee. Her having sex with the first Serenity mechanic has always bothered me, he seems like such a "surfer" doof that you'd think, or hope, that Kaylee would have better taste than that. Besides it seems to just cheapen her in my estimation.

The whole thought just makes me shudder.

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Sunday, February 8, 2004 12:36 PM

MISGUIDED BY VOICES

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Originally posted by Fireflythemovie:
My least favorite moments are certain moments when Simon is practicing medicine: when he holds a syringe he's about to use on someone in his mouth (!--they do still have to worry about infection in the future) which he did at least twice.

I'm guessing its a tribute to all those war movies wherein they always do that, and of course the fact that since he is the only trained medic, he often has to work without the spare hands he might be used to.

"I threw up on your bed"

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Sunday, February 8, 2004 2:35 PM

STEVE580

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Originally posted by Fireflythemovie:
Also, on Ariel, when he's saving that random guy's life, and uses the "cardiac infusers" (which look almost exactly like a defibrillator), he holds the metal, non-insulated part. He should have ended up convulsing on the floor.

Yeah, but you can't really theorize anything about a device that doesn't exist. I mean, maybe the part he was holding was imitation metal.

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Sunday, February 8, 2004 6:15 PM

FIREFLYTHEMOVIE

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Originally posted by Steve580:
Yeah, but you can't really theorize anything about a device that doesn't exist. I mean, maybe the part he was holding was imitation metal.

Sure I can--I just did!

Also, Zoë made very sure she only touched the insulated part. I'm guessing Gina watches more ER than Sean does.

And I loved Kaylee's introduction! It was hilarious. And, really, completely in character. She's obviously boy crazy, and she lives on some backwater prarie moon, and loves ships, dreams about being a ship's mechanic someday. So of course she's going to hang out at the docks, get as many tours of ships as she can, and if she happens to meet a hot mechanic who's nice to her, why not?

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Monday, February 9, 2004 6:48 AM

BROWNCOAT1

May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.

CosmicConcubine wrote:

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Lot's of people don't seem to like "Heart of Gold" but I saw it as the "Seven Samurai"/"Magnificent Seven" episode. Don't ya think? (Though I must say that chase scene at the end was the only thing I found lame in all of the eps.)

That is exactly how I saw HoG. Not sure if HoG was actually inspired by the "Seven Samurai" or the "Magnificent Seven", but it definitely had the feel of those two classics.

I found the chase scene at the end a bit weak at the end and wondered what they could have done differently.

"May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one."

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Monday, February 9, 2004 8:20 AM

SAINT JAYNE

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Originally posted by Fireflythemovie:
Also, Zoë made very sure she only touched the insulated part. I'm guessing Gina watches more ER than Sean does.

If you want to get annoyingly technical, you only defib a patient in ventricular fibrillation, not a flat-liner.

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Monday, February 9, 2004 8:26 AM

STATIC

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If you want to get annoyingly technical, you only defib a patient in ventricular fibrillation, not a flat-liner.

Oh well THANK YOU. Who are we? DOCTOR St.J now?

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Monday, February 9, 2004 9:08 AM

OKKAY

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Originally posted by Static:
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If you want to get annoyingly technical, you only defib a patient in ventricular fibrillation, not a flat-liner.

Oh well THANK YOU. Who are we? DOCTOR St.J now?

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"Wash. . .we got some local color happening. A grand entrance would not go amiss."

"I want a lot of medical jargon thrown
at me, I'll talk to a doctor."

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Monday, February 9, 2004 10:43 AM

DRAGONFLYDIRECTOR

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ORGINA L BY SaintJayne
I think of it like this: Saffron's got Mal's shuttle, and Mal doesn't want her trying to kill him while he's retrieving said shuttle. So he puts her off her guard with a personal question and clocks her to knock her out. It's probably the best thing he could do in the situation.

I actually thnik he clocked her because she was going to LIE again.

Mal seemed to note her pause after is question then - gave her his pistol butt across her temple.

He then said {paraphrased} You would'a only lied."

Mal, throughout the series - seemed to me at least - really HATED liars.

"Observe Analyze & Respond"
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Thursday, February 12, 2004 4:47 PM

WILDHEAVENFARM

Would you rather he had hit her? Or pistol-whipped her and kicked her in the ribs while she cowered on the floor, bleeding from the face? No, of course not. I thought, from a writing stand-point, that it was refreshingly clever. It made me afraid of him and loathe him (yea, writers) and I was one of those sitting there saying "Hey, that's assistant district attorney Paul Robinette from Law&Order." Early was able to gain control of the ship and its crew with a minimum of violence or even exertion. Someone made the point that few other threats would scare Kaylee as much and I agree.

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Originally posted by Steve580:
Quote:
Originally posted by slayer730:
I understand that Early was trying to intimidate Kaylee and keep her quiet. It just seems like a completely over the top and unnecessary way to do it.

It was completely over the top and unnessecary. That's Early for ya.
-Steve

Mary
Always a beast, never a burden.

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Thursday, February 12, 2004 4:56 PM

WILDHEAVENFARM

I do that all the time when I'm working with my goats. I've seen lots of vets and a number of people health professionals do it. The bit you bite on it just the plastic cover for the needle. God knows you wouldn't want to put a naked needle in your mouth. It wouldn't be the kind 18 gauge hole you'd want in your tongue.

Quote:
Originally posted by Fireflythemovie:
My least favorite moments are certain moments when Simon is practicing medicine: when he holds a syringe he's about to use on someone in his mouth (!--they do still have to worry about infection in the future) which he did at least twice.

Mary
Always a beast, never a burden.

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Saturday, February 14, 2004 2:15 AM

HORRID

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Still don't get it...how come they have the technology to transport real organs but not "fake" ones. If the fake ones are good enough to work (albeit more rapidly and strangly then normals ones), why can't they be transported? And if it's a question of legality (i've alrady mentioned this, sorry just trying to tie it all together)Tracy managed to ship HIMSELF, a large body, through the mail with out anybody noticing (not the "real" alaince anyway), so why couldn't they ship a few organs? On that note, if they can't go through the mail, why couldn't they get a "private shipping company" (ie, someone like mal and crew) to smuggle them frome point A to point B.

"Go back inside or i will blow another crater in this tiny moon"

it also makes even less sense when you thnk that the organs are so delicate they can only be transported in a human body, but then the human body is druged to a state of near death for the journey, so you may as well keep them in a blood filled sack

on the Mal hitting saphron thing, would it even be considered offensive at all if he had hit a guy that had lied and screwed over his crew? he's done far worse to guys for far less. I think the show is trying to show that the sexes are now completely equal on all levels without coming right out and saying it and that includes the use of violence

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Saturday, February 14, 2004 6:34 AM

EBONEZER

This is back on the problems with "The Message," I was watching it least night and thought of an interesting question.

Why couldn't Tracy just mail himeself to his parents?

That would save some trouble would't it? If he's worried about them burring him, then on is little MP3 recorder thing he could have said, "hey, I'm not really dead. Just wait and I'll wake up." or if he was afriad that the bad guys might get a hold of his body and hear that he wasn't realy dead he could say, "Hey mom and dad, i changed my religion while i was out here in the black, respect it by holding a three day wake for me." or something.

"Go back inside or i will blow another crater in this tiny moon"

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Saturday, February 14, 2004 6:39 AM

SAINT JAYNE

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Originally posted by horrid:
it also makes even less sense when you thnk that the organs are so delicate they can only be transported in a human body, but then the human body is druged to a state of near death for the journey, so you may as well keep them in a blood filled sack

Tracey did the drugging up, not the organ smugglers. And I don't know if you'd call them "delicate". Certainly they are able to take more bullets than mine are.

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on the Mal hitting saphron thing, would it even be considered offensive at all if he had hit a guy that had lied and screwed over his crew?

If he was out for revenge, he wouldn't have chatted her up. Probably just shooting her when she drew the gun would have been best. It still seemed like the perfect set up to knock her out to me.

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