Irritation for anyone who is doing/has done blueprints! by Static

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Sorry for the sideband chatter. But IRT laundry room. Couple of weeks is nothing. Military folks - that would be most everyone onboard the Serenity are used to sitting in the same 2 or 3 sets of clothes for about a month at a time. After a while, fresh clothes just don't feel right. Besides doing all that laundry is a big waste on fresh water. I wouldn't really be surprised if they didn't have a laundry.

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Sunday, February 8, 2004 9:17 AM

You know. . .

I'm military and in Afghanistan, and I can tell you that we will wear the same clothes if we HAVE to, but we sure as hell don't WANT to. If they're 'home', which is on the ship, I figure they'd want to have clean clothes.

I've noticed that Simon, River, Jayne and Inara have the most diverse wardrobes in the show. . .Jayne with his variety of T-Shirts, and even the one nice button-down shirt he has in HoG.

Kaylee and Wash. . .well. . .I'm living proof that one can NEVER have enough sets of identical flight suits (or coveralls in Kaylee's case). They could have two dozen EACH. Wash DOES, however have a collection of hawaiian shirts that I envy.

Mal and Zoe. . .well. . .let's just say I bet that damn burgundy shirt of Mal's could go to a sword fight by itself, and Zoe's costume seems to be the same from episode to episode as well.

Book. . .well. . .I know several priests. Same argument as Wash. . .only replace 'red flight suit' with 'grey collared shirt' . . .sometimes short-sleeved, sometimes long.

The only reason I brought up the laundry issue is because it apparently is a chore that is prevalent enough that they would use 'who's turn is it to do laundry' as gambling markers in a card game.

Oh yeah. . .and I'm betting by 500 years in the future, there's either an alternative shower/laundry method to hot water (sonics or something, maybe?) OR there's a darn good water purification/recycling rig on space ships.

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Sunday, February 8, 2004 9:37 AM

SHINY

Do you really need to have a dedicated laundry room to do laundry? Anywhere with a reasonably large sink would do (the bathroom near the passenger dorm?)...heck, if you had a big bucket/tub, you just need a faucet.

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Sunday, February 8, 2004 9:42 AM

You know. . .such a scene would have a sort of 'poetry' to it, actually. Five centuries into the future, lasers, hovercraft, space ships, but the crew of Serenity do just fine washing their laundry in a huge tub of water. . .HEY. . .then they hang it up in the hottest room on the ship, the engine room, to dry!

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Sunday, February 8, 2004 9:55 AM

FORTUNATUS

I've been doing deck and floorplans for Serenity for a while now, and there are a lot of areas of the boat that aren't shown in the show.

1. There are two doors at the aft end of the side gangplanks in the cargo bay. We never see where they lead.

2. In the fore hall, there's a door on the bottom port side of the stairs to the bridge which is never opened.

3. There's a door to port of the main bridge door in the bridge that is never opened. It corresponds with the door mentioned in #2 above, and my theory is that they connect (OMR's mention of Saffron fusing both entrances to the bridge) via a shaft which leads to an airlock under the bridge (and possibly to the area mentioned in #5 below).

4. There are two doors on the port side of the galley, on either side of the shelves in the middle of that wall. They might lead to an airlock--perhaps the anomalous hatch that Jayne and Kaylee use to get to the roof in Trash.

5. The area reached by the stairs between the two consoles on the bridge is never shown.

6. There is a corridor that leads around the back of the infirmary. It leads starboard from the entrance to the passender dorm from the cargo bay, and it connects to the passenger lounge just aft of the ladder that leads up to the hall between the engine room and the galley.

7. We're never actually shown what's behind the door in the port wall of the passenger lounge. It's heavily implied by Book's towel, etc. in OiS that it leads to the bathroom.

8. There are ladders leading up at the very end of both of the corridors in the passenger dorm. We're never shown where they lead, and they don't seem to connect to the engine room-galley corridor. Note also that the floor of these two corridors curves up at the end, implying that they're near the skin of Serenity's aft bulb.

The short hall off the starboard wall of the galley seems to simply join with the stairs leading down to the cargo bay. There's certainly not much room in that area for anything else.

And that leads me to the biggest problems I've encountered in the effort. Serenity's exterior doesn't match her interior.

Using the wonderful pictures of Serenity from this site's features section, I've attempted to draw up some deck plans. Unfortunately, the bridge is too high compared to the galley, so the fore hallway winds up having to run uphill--which it obviously does not do in the show.

Likewise, the engine room, which is clearly meant to sit in the center of the rear bulb (Look at the dimples on the rear-most circle on the aft view. They match exactly the chrome bulbs that run around the curved ceiling at the aft of the engine room, as well as the main engine itself.), must be much lower than the galley. This requires the aft hall to run downhill, which, again, does not match what's on screen in the show.

And, no, the stairs in the fore hall and the engine room can't account for the difference in height. Using the position of the shuttles as an indicator of the height of the doors leading to them from the cargo bay dictates that the engine room is about a full storey lower than the galley. Lowering the galley a little is possible, but this just increases the relative height of the bridge.

One can get a sense of the scale of the interior from the fore hall and the galley, BTW. The ceiling of the fore hall matches the curve of the top of Serenity's neck. And, note that Mal's room has a curved floor at the end furthest from the ladder, indicating that it's quite near the skin of the ship.

We know the galley is very tall, and that the windows on the top of Serenity's transept (yes, I think Serenity's very church-like) are the windows we see from the exterior. The aft octagonal window is obviously meant to match the galley lounge. However, working purely from the exterior leads to a lounge which is much too small, and a galley which is too long and skinny if you try to match its scale with the erroneouse lounge and the fore windows.

Hmmm... I'm rambling now, and I could go on for quite some time. If I were to place the laundry anywhere, it'd be through one of the mysterious doors at the aft of the cargo bay. That's the only place with any serious room left unshown in the ship, and it would make sense to have the ladders at the aft of the passenger dorm lead there as well. The other option would be in the unseen corridor leading around the infirmary. However, there's really not much room left at the bottom of that bulb. As it is, the bathroom has to be pretty darn small to fit.

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Sunday, February 8, 2004 1:47 PM

"Aviators" (I meant that as a friendly intra-service rivalry, not an anti-war Army-scum deal), figures... I meant grunts, which the shows characters were supposedly, then again maybe they were aviators or squids too.

Well... at least you are a fixed wing puke (I think)... hehe

Not all of the military have the same luxuries... most grunts just recently have the luxury of a somewhat realistic menu for their MREs. and Realistic in the sense of compared to dog biscuits. Having clean clothes, a hot meal, and shower is definitely a luxury for most grunts.

Quote:
Originally posted by Static:
You know. . .

I'm military and in Afghanistan, and I can tell you that we will wear the same clothes if we HAVE to, but we sure as hell don't WANT to. If they're 'home', which is on the ship, I figure they'd want to have clean clothes.

I've noticed that Simon, River, Jayne and Inara have the most diverse wardrobes in the show. . .Jayne with his variety of T-Shirts, and even the one nice button-down shirt he has in HoG.

Kaylee and Wash. . .well. . .I'm living proof that one can NEVER have enough sets of identical flight suits (or coveralls in Kaylee's case). They could have two dozen EACH. Wash DOES, however have a collection of hawaiian shirts that I envy.

Mal and Zoe. . .well. . .let's just say I bet that damn burgundy shirt of Mal's could go to a sword fight by itself, and Zoe's costume seems to be the same from episode to episode as well.

Book. . .well. . .I know several priests. Same argument as Wash. . .only replace 'red flight suit' with 'grey collared shirt' . . .sometimes short-sleeved, sometimes long.

The only reason I brought up the laundry issue is because it apparently is a chore that is prevalent enough that they would use 'who's turn is it to do laundry' as gambling markers in a card game.

Oh yeah. . .and I'm betting by 500 years in the future, there's either an alternative shower/laundry method to hot water (sonics or something, maybe?) OR there's a darn good water purification/recycling rig on space ships.

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Sunday, February 8, 2004 2:21 PM

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Originally posted by Jasonzzz:

"Aviators"

Oh. . .oh yeah? (we're not very good with quick retorts)

Quote:
Well... at least you are a fixed wing puke (I think)... hehe

Nope. . .I'm a rotary puke. I drive an Apache Helicopter.

But thanks for putting me in my place. *grin*

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Sunday, February 8, 2004 3:40 PM

Eh, at least you aren't in the AF. Those guys get air conditioned "dorms". Their accomodation is so good, it's not even the barracks - let alone GP mediums. bah.

hehe, no worries, "legs in a can" ain't much better, I suppose...

oh crap. I meant to say "At least, you *aren't* a fixed wing puke.... Sorry to have insulted you by calling you a fixed wing puke... although those guys that drive the AC-130's scares the heck out of me.

(5.5MB video, about 7 minutes long of AC-130
engaging an al-qaeda camp in AFG)
http://www.vampirebat.com/war/AC130_GunshipMed.wmv

but back to your original thread, you are probably right. Whomever heard of wearing a dirty Aloha shirt. Them things needed to be washed, and I've of course, forgotten about Inara's wardrobe.

Quote:
Originally posted by Static:
Quote:
Originally posted by Jasonzzz:

"Aviators"

Oh. . .oh yeah? (we're not very good with quick retorts)

Quote:
Well... at least you are a fixed wing puke (I think)... hehe

Nope. . .I'm a rotary puke. I drive an Apache Helicopter.

But thanks for putting me in my place. *grin*

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Sunday, February 8, 2004 6:44 PM

MANIACNUMBERONE

I agree with Fortunatus, the laundry area is prolly hidden behind one of the magical mystery doors. I spent much time poring over the ship when I made my own floorplan, and there are definitely places where there would be enough space for a laundry room, so I don't think they'd have to resort to the ole sink wash. Just pick a door... hope there's not a braying donkey behind it.

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Sunday, February 8, 2004 7:03 PM

MOMAW

Quote:
Originally posted by Fortunatus:

And that leads me to the biggest problems I've encountered in the effort. Serenity's exterior doesn't match her interior.

I spent three days trying to make them match up before arriving at this conclusion. The project has been abandoned.

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Sunday, February 8, 2004 7:15 PM

I know this is a thread about laundry...but this has to do with being clean, so it's kind of the same, right? I'm talking showers. I remember the episode (can't remember which one, but i can see it) where Book walks out of a room with a towel around his shoulders and we imagine that he has just gotten out of a shower.

Any theories on what kind of shower that it is? Is it like a normal shower like we have? Or some wierd space shower? The towel would imply that there was water involved.

Also, how many showers are there? I'm sure there's not one for each person on Serenity, but is there just one in the passenger dorms, or is there one for the crew too?

They might be able to go a couple of weeks without washing they're clothes, but I'm not so sure about showering...

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Sunday, February 8, 2004 7:32 PM

STEVE580

I'm guessing water is involved at some point in the bathing process.

I always assumed they all bathed in amanner simaler to Inara while in Space - a bucket of water, and a sponge. This would save a ton of water. So perhaps Book just returned from doing this.

I doubt it's some futuristic people cleaning machine. Strange as this sounds, it would seem too futuristic for their interplanetary space ship.
-Steve

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Sunday, February 8, 2004 7:37 PM

I always kinda thought Inaras sponge bath was more of a spiritual clensing...

And also, why couldn't book do this sponge bath deal in his own room?

You don't suppose the crew stands in they're little fold out toilet and pores water over they're heads...do they?

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Sunday, February 8, 2004 7:57 PM

MOMAW

Quote:
Originally posted by Jasonzzz:
... although those guys that drive the AC-130's scares the heck out of me.

(5.5MB video, about 7 minutes long of AC-130
engaging an al-qaeda camp in AFG)
http://www.vampirebat.com/war/AC130_GunshipMed.wmv

What exactly is going on this clip? Is the plane spotting for artillery? Is it firing its own weapons? Very blurry video, and there's no mic recording exterior noises...

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Sunday, February 8, 2004 8:48 PM

There some research going on about sonic showers.
It actually works well with cleansing off components, but not sure how that works with tissues.

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Originally posted by ebonezer:
I know this is a thread about laundry...but this has to do with being clean, so it's kind of the same, right? I'm talking showers. I remember the episode (can't remember which one, but i can see it) where Book walks out of a room with a towel around his shoulders and we imagine that he has just gotten out of a shower.

Any theories on what kind of shower that it is? Is it like a normal shower like we have? Or some wierd space shower? The towel would imply that there was water involved.

Also, how many showers are there? I'm sure there's not one for each person on Serenity, but is there just one in the passenger dorms, or is there one for the crew too?

They might be able to go a couple of weeks without washing they're clothes, but I'm not so sure about showering...

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Sunday, February 8, 2004 8:52 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Jasonzzz:

There some research going on about sonic showers.
It actually works well with cleansing off components, but not sure how that works with tissues.

That could very well be the answer to our laundry question... May be it cleans people AND laundry (and maybe even does the dishes...) all in one fell swoop. That would be a good space saver on a spaceship.

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Sunday, February 8, 2004 8:53 PM

Oh no! It's a video of an AC-130 spectre. This thing carries a 105mm howitzer, a 40mm cannon, and a couple of gatling guns all mounted pointing to its port side. It flies in a circle loitering over the target and just pumps out shells with obviously devastating effects. The images are IR so it's not meant to be full colour video. You are watching and listening to the crew spot and unloading shells on the targets as it loiters.

Static can probably comment on this a bit more.

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Originally posted by Momaw:
Quote:
Originally posted by Jasonzzz:
... although those guys that drive the AC-130's scares the heck out of me.

(5.5MB video, about 7 minutes long of AC-130
engaging an al-qaeda camp in AFG)
http://www.vampirebat.com/war/AC130_GunshipMed.wmv

What exactly is going on this clip? Is the plane spotting for artillery? Is it firing its own weapons? Very blurry video, and there's no mic recording exterior noises...

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Sunday, February 8, 2004 8:56 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Steve580:

I doubt it's some futuristic people cleaning machine. Strange as this sounds, it would seem too futuristic for their interplanetary space ship.
-Steve

Something that would seem futuristic to us might not seem so futuristic to them, remember the laziter thing in trash? It was old news to them, but to us that's advanced technology. So it's possible that they have some sort of outdated (to them anyway) furutistic people cleaner.

Or maybe in the future people just don't smell.

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Sunday, February 8, 2004 8:57 PM

LOL, reminds me of that episode of "Seinfeld" where Kramer cooks a complete meal while he is showering.

Quote:
Originally posted by ebonezer:
Quote:
Originally posted by Jasonzzz:

There some research going on about sonic showers.
It actually works well with cleansing off components, but not sure how that works with tissues.

That could very well be the answer to our laundry question... May be it cleans people AND laundry (and maybe even does the dishes...) all in one fell swoop. That would be a good space saver on a spaceship.

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Sunday, February 8, 2004 9:23 PM

NOOCYTE

Oh, Static. A most rascally can of worms you've opened and no mistake!

Now, I'm not going by any deck plans, but only by memory and ergonomic deductions (i.e., talking out of my azz), buuuuut...

I'd say that it makes sense to have the laundry facilities as close to the crew quarters as possible (there may not always be passengers in the dorms, but SOMEbody's gotta fly the thing ["Oh, right. That'd be me."] ). Also, it would make sense to have any putative clothing cleaning machinery in a location which could efficiently hook into the "gray water" (i.e., clean enough for rock and roll, but not for drinking) stream in the recycling system.

So, my vote would be for a location in the galley area (perhaps round one of those bends). Space is not so much an issue, since the commodes show a design philosophy involving hide-away, Murphy-bed-like arrangements (for all we know, laundry machines could be stored in that roomy dome space above the galley, which we never see, and lowered to floor level when needed). Also, the plumbing could link up with dish-washing drainage (a process which might involve hooking up leaky valve heads [say, to ports in the floor], making it even more of a chore).

As for Inara's sponge bath: apart from being eye candy (which it surely was...even though Morena's such a plain woman...homely, even), it might simply reflect Inara's private nature. A shuttle need not necessarioy have a shower (let alone laundry), and she might limit her trips to the common washroom outside the passenger dorm (especially with Jayne about!).

Just my $.02. I've tried to keep the wankage to a minimum.

And, of course, the movie could have a taut dramatic subplot involving a malf in the laundry equipment...ripe with tension, you might say...

Keep scrubbing!

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Monday, February 9, 2004 12:07 AM

MOMAW

Quote:
Originally posted by Jasonzzz:
Oh no! It's a video of an AC-130 spectre. This thing carries a 105mm howitzer, a 40mm cannon

The 40mm must have a very good rate of fire, then? That would explain why it looks like lots of shells landing in a short period of time? Several times there's a BOOOM, then boom-boom-boom.

If they're trying to mop up guys on the ground though: wouln't it be a little more precise, and a lot cheaper, to use the gatlings...

(Momaw's only military experience is via PC gaming, and they don't get very much into why's and wherefore's, therefore he begs forgiveness for stupid questions)

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