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Wednesday, February 11, 2004 12:27 PM

CHANNAIN

i DO aim to misbehave


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Originally posted by RaptorX:
This is a post to introduce myself to all the other Browncoats out there. I've hovered for a while around this fine site and finally decided to add my voice to this strangely organized ruckus.



Ni Haody and welcome to the Ruckus!

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Originally posted by RaptorX:
Last December, when Firefly came out on DVD, I purchased it and brought it in during one of our extended closed-door sessions. Over the course of the six days we were "trapped" in the lab, the group of us watched the entirety of Firefly.



So the question here would be, how much discussion did you have on the science behind this little bit of science fiction? There's been some go-around on how Serenity's engine works and gets them from here to there in the time frames indicated.

After that the question is who's your favorite charactor, what's your favorite Firefly moment?

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Originally posted by RaptorX:
Now, almost all of them have purchased their own sets, and all of them are eagerly awaiting the movie and (hopefully!) the revival of Firefly..



Damn fine bit of recruitment, browncoat!!

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Wednesday, February 11, 2004 12:33 PM

HERO


Wow. I had a secret too. Not a good secret since it was all public record. But I hesitated making comment for several hours till the story hit the media.

Have hope everyone. My City, thanks in small and insignifigant ways to myself, has jailed a rich athlete (a Cleveland Indian) for committing a crime. I for one can't remember the last time this has happened. Sure, if his team had played better last season, he might have had a better chance, but thats life.

So have faith. Anything is possible.

As for the NASA Browncoats, welcome. If you know a cheap and effective means of space travel easily available for commercial exploitation and which wont get us all in trouble for talking about...let me know. (Check out the 'Moon Base' discussion).

H

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Wednesday, February 11, 2004 12:36 PM

SHINY


Welcome, RaptorX! Hope you can introduce Firefly to more of your Nasa buddies as well as others in the scientific/engineering community who I think would be very receptive to good sci-fi like this. Perhaps the next Mars Rover could be called 'Serenity'?

RIVER
Purple elephants are flying.
MAL
Good. Thanks for the update.

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Wednesday, February 11, 2004 12:51 PM

CHANNAIN

i DO aim to misbehave


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Originally posted by RaptorX:
I will definately bring that up. Maybe Serenity can be the launch ship for the next-generation of inner-planetary shuttles...

Not that I'd know anything about that



Oh...no! of course not! *whistling tunelessly, looking around for hidden cameras*

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Wednesday, February 11, 2004 5:04 PM

HERO


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Originally posted by RaptorX:
And, to put one theory to rest, we are not all geeks out here, we just tend to enjoy the physics of aerodynamics and the idea of space travel.



Hey, you don't have to be a rocket scientist to understand all that.

H

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Wednesday, February 11, 2004 5:40 PM

JASONZZZ


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Originally posted by RaptorX:
This is a post to introduce myself to all the other Browncoats out there. I've hovered for a while around this fine site and finally decided to add my voice to this strangely organized ruckus.

I work for NASA in a position that I am not allowed to reveal at this time (I say that way too much). My job involves higly sensitive technological developments in the aerospace field of research (that much I am allowed to say!). It can be a very big PAIN not to be able to talk about my day to anyone outside my office. Our rather large group here has gotten rather close (friendship-wise) as a result.

Last December, when Firefly came out on DVD, I purchased it and brought it in during one of our extended closed-door sessions. Over the course of the six days we were "trapped" in the lab, the group of us watched the entirety of Firefly.




Hey, good deal that you guys got to watch the show instead of working... Oh wait, why were you guys watching the show *instead of working*? What kinda guv'ment job is this? Hey, you taking resumes?

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Now, almost all of them have purchased their own sets, and all of them are eagerly awaiting the movie and (hopefully!) the revival of Firefly.

So hello to all from the iron cage that is my little corner of NASA.



But if your hand touches metal, I swear by my pretty floral bonnet, I will end you.



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Wednesday, February 11, 2004 6:22 PM

VETERAN

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I will definately bring that up. Maybe Serenity can be the launch ship for the next-generation of inner-planetary shuttles...

Not that I'd know anything about that



That would only be too cool.

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Wednesday, February 11, 2004 6:57 PM

MOMAW


What's your officially unofficial opinion regarding the scale of Firefly? Is it just a single system with several slews of planets, or multiple systems and some sort of FTL technology?

I don't think, if Serenity has an FTL drive, that we've seen it. With the amount of attention paid to the rest of its movement and operation, it's hard to believe that the "yellow plasma burst" engine would be shown as being sub-light unless it was meant to be that way.

If it's inter-stellar in scope, then the fact that we never see the ship travelling quickly (such as visible movement of stars) suggests either A) they can go Damn Fast, but only for short periods or B) they have some kind of point-to-point engine or gating system that allows them to loaf around once they've arrived at their target star.

hmm.....

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Thursday, February 12, 2004 5:03 AM

CHANNAIN

i DO aim to misbehave


Quote:

Originally posted by RaptorX:
And, to put one theory to rest, we are not all geeks out here, we just tend to enjoy the physics of aerodynamics and the idea of space travel.



Being a geek isn't a bad thing. Sometimes it's even more socially acceptable. I mean can you imagine yourself telling someone that you're a fan of a now-cancelled cult TV show?

On the other hand - "Space Geek?" WAY shinier. At the very least, they'll think you're some whacko who goes out into abandoned fields to stare up at the stars...

what?

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Thursday, February 12, 2004 5:15 AM

BROWNCOAT1

May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.


Welcome aboard RaptorX. It is always good to have another fan sign on.

Great to hear you and you team liked the DVD set, especially since it led to them purchasing their own. Anything to further the cause of getting a quality show out to new fans is worth the effort.

We are also looking forward to the release of the movie. More exciting is the recent news that the new script is to act as a springboard into a series return.

Too bad you can't tell us a bit more about your job. I know someone else that works for NASA and he can't really talk a lot about his job either.

"May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one."


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Thursday, February 12, 2004 6:01 AM

JASONZZZ



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Originally posted by Momaw:
What's your officially unofficial opinion regarding the scale of Firefly? Is it just a single system with several slews of planets, or multiple systems and some sort of FTL technology?



Alright, my opinion on the universe of Firefly:

As far as I can figure, it's either a pretty damn big solar system or a group of closley clustered stars, each with their own collection of planets and moons.

Again, I don't think they have a FTL drive, and the whole thing that Star Trek does with the "smearing stars" isn't really factually based. Even at high speeds, there really won't be too much visible movement of the stars. Look at it this way: when you're driving a car at 60 MPH, the lines for the lane divisions seem to be flying by, but the single tree across the field appears to be moving slower. Think about how far away those stars are from Serenity. Just a thought.



but at 60mph, you are not moving FTL. We are talking about a basic visual perception of light.
But a comparable example *might* be how sounds "sound" like when you are going at Mach 1.5...


In actuality, if it was physically possible to go faster than light (it isn't. Humans won't reach more than half the speed of light. It's not the same problem with going faster than sound barrier. Einstein's Special Theory of Relativity demands that your body gains mass the faster you travel until it reaches infinity at the speed of light), the lights on the periphery will blank out and you will see the result of tunnel vision the closer you get to the speed of light .... Until it all blacks out - except for one very tiny and bright light right in the direction of your travel.

Here's a website at ANU that let's you "visualize" what faster than light travel might look like...
http://www.anu.edu.au/Physics/Searle/

Look at this, at .80c, there is visible "smearing" at the edges. Also, notice the light is doppler shifted to a different color as well.


Flying .95c towards the earth.


The visual field is intensely warped at .99c



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I don't think, if Serenity has an FTL drive, that we've seen it. With the amount of attention paid to the rest of its movement and operation, it's hard to believe that the "yellow plasma burst" engine would be shown as being sub-light unless it was meant to be that way.

If it's inter-stellar in scope, then the fact that we never see the ship travelling quickly (such as visible movement of stars) suggests either A) they can go Damn Fast, but only for short periods or B) they have some kind of point-to-point engine or gating system that allows them to loaf around once they've arrived at their target star.

hmm.....



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Thursday, February 12, 2004 6:16 AM

JASONZZZ




Check out the .mov's and .jpg's from that ANU website. You won't find hardly anything for pictures at FTL (there's one or two, and it's *really* interesting). Most of it discusses the visual effects as you go past .70c and approaches 1c.



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