Capt.'s Toilet by Sothpaw

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Capt.'s Toilet

POSTED BY: SOTHPAW
UPDATED: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 16:41
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Thursday, November 9, 2006 10:54 AM

i forget off the top of my head which episode the captain's toilet is shown in but in his cabin there is a scene with a toilet flush and he folds the toilet up into the wall and unfolds a sink from the wall to wash his hands...
i need specs on that toilet system... has anyone ever seen this kind of thing in real life?
does anyone know what it might be called or have pictures of it.
happy flushing...

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Thursday, November 9, 2006 11:09 AM

AMYLISAI

What really bothers me about that scene-Every Time I See It--is that he doesn't use soap when he washes his hands and then washes his face! Gross!

Good luck!

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Thursday, November 9, 2006 11:14 AM

KANEMAN

Quote:
Originally posted by amylisai:
What really bothers me about that scene-Every Time I See It--is that he doesn't use soap when he washes his hands and then washes his face! Gross!

Good luck!

What bothers me is that I see people walk into a restroom and not wash their hands... BEFORE.. they touch...you know..private parts..That is why you can catch the common cold by giving oral. Sad but true!

WASH...GO....WASH AGAIN.....

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Thursday, November 9, 2006 11:14 AM

SOTHPAW

i noticed that too but dismissed it as futuristic sanitizing water. why not... drinking water from one tank. washing water from another... and both get drained into a tank that is then used as gray water for the toilet.

i still want some sort of specs/schematics for that system... once both sink and toilet are folded up can you stand in that space and take a shower...?

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Thursday, November 9, 2006 11:24 AM

CHOO1701

Nope, no shower (like the 5th Element) from the looks of it both take up half the wall space.

anyway, according to the script (the one in the Visual Companion anyway) the only baths are sponge, and on most deckplans there is only one shower, and thats in the passenger bit.

So saying the mudders smell is one thing, but what about our big damn heros!!! (j/k)

:disappionted:

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THEY DON'T USE SOAP!!!

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Thursday, November 9, 2006 11:42 AM

ZZETTA13

That would be the pilot eps. Right before Wash calls Mal up to the bridge after finding the alliance mole onboard has sent a message to an alliance ship.

There was a thread on the forum here some time back that brought up the idea of what kind of luxuries crews of small vessels in space would have. Espescially small vessels on the outer rim. Water and the amout of space huge water tanks would take up and the extra fuel it would take to get a heavy water lugging ship into space all comes into the equation. The thoughts of water and the value of its use had folks thinking that it would be used only in small amounts. Chemical cleansing agents and even cleansing towels could be used in place of using up ones valuable water supply. These are some that I remember.

Z

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Thursday, November 9, 2006 12:19 PM

SOTHPAW

thanks for the eps. Z

where can i find deck plans. anything would help.

do they use this toilet anywhere in reality?

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Thursday, November 9, 2006 12:19 PM

DALILABA

I'm a nurse, and we have fold up toilets under the washbasins in the ICU. They don't get used much, as many patients are so critically ill they are not able to get out of bed. They do look similar to Mal's, but the washbasins are stationary.

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Thursday, November 9, 2006 2:12 PM

TEACHDAIRE

The best deck plans I've found are in the Serenity RPG.

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Thursday, November 9, 2006 2:35 PM

DUG

From those earlier threads about water tanks I remember that there *is* a shower head in the captain's cabin. You can see it during Our Mrs. Reynolds. And iirc, the math worked out that just a 1000 gallon tank could last the crew for several weeks before factoring in any grey water or recycling. I think it was up to 6 weeks with reasonably strict rationing and longer with REALLY strict rationing.

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Thursday, November 9, 2006 4:24 PM

NCBROWNCOAT

If Serenity was powered by Hydrogen power cells (like the ones being researched now for cars)a by product would be water-good ole H2O.

You would have to get rid of itbeause of the weight. The infirmary would use some, so would the lavotaries, cooking, water for Inara's tea etc. I'm not sure if enough would be produced for bathing though.

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Thursday, November 9, 2006 4:52 PM

STINKINGROSE

Nurse. The handwashing thing bothered me too. It went something like this:
"Yay! He's washing his hands! Captain Hygiene! Wait, where's the soap? Ew! NOW HE'S RINSING HIS FACE!? EEEwwww... Well, I guess just water's better than nothing. Still no way that was a full 15 seconds of scrubbing though. Oh, we're into another scene. What did they just say?"
Detracted from the first viewing a little for me.
I'll just think happy sanitizing gel thoughts.

PS: On the common cold from oral sex thing?
a) You probably got it from kissing them before/after.
b)Use a condom or dental dam if you're worried about exchanging microbes.
c)You really don't want to do a swab of your mouth or nose to grow out in microbiology class. Really.

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Thursday, November 9, 2006 6:10 PM

ROCKETJOCK

You could also stretch wash-water reserves by taking "Navy Showers"--

1. Wet Down for 30-45 seconds.
2. Turn off water, and soap up.
3. Turn water back on for 60-90 seconds of rinse-off.

It gives you a passable sluce-off for under three minutes of water flow.

Oh, and a scientific side note: In any closed air recycling system, you end up with more H2O at the end of the journey than you started with; the human metabolism actually generates water as a by-product of resperation.

"She's tore up plenty. But she'll fly true." -- Zoë Washburn

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Thursday, November 9, 2006 6:55 PM

XANDER2061

Seriously how many people do you think wash their hands BEFORE they go to the toilet?

Also from your comment on catching the common cold,... touching your bits without washing your hands first is dirty, but letting someone perform oral sex on you without washing down there is all fine and dandy? Your prerogative I guess.

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Thursday, November 9, 2006 7:06 PM

TERRI

Yeah, no, I think the Navy shower thing sounds like a good idea. Bathing probably wasn't on the top of their vocabulary. I do remember Zoe saying something about taking a real bath. Now, if she said real bath, with real on the front, then she possibly is used to fake showers, or simple wash downs. That could account for that. I don't remember how well I remembered that quote, though, so I might be totally off. Asking for an ep, you say? Ha.

I don't even know if it really happened, much less know what episode it was. So, all of you, Browncoat Powers activate! And you know, help a sistah out. Hmm, I don't even talk like that. Sorry.

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Thursday, November 9, 2006 8:54 PM

CHOO1701

Best shots i can find is from OMR.

http://www.still-flying.net/images/ourmrsreynolds/index.php?page=5

(Top Row, left hand side)

On the right were the captains throne sits, and yes, no room for a shower.

Maybe Inara and Kaylee buys them all toiletries for christmas???

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TRAIN!!!

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Thursday, November 9, 2006 9:27 PM

PHOENIXROSE

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.

That's not a shower head, it's a light fixture!!! You see one just like it over his desk, plus it's reflective, plus the same shape of light exists in Simon's bunk, which you can see in the background, lit up, at the end of Jaynestown. No shower heads!
Anyway, I think Joss said something about the toilet setup having a submarine feel. Never been on a submarine myself; anyone know if it's set up that way?
Also, it's very true that hydrogen fuel cells would generate water, which would be very handy in space...

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Thursday, November 9, 2006 10:55 PM

FLORALBUNNY

a snip from Terri:
I do remember Zoe saying something about taking a real bath. Now, if she said real bath, with real on the front, then she possibly is used to fake showers, or simple wash downs. That could account for that. I don't remember how well I remembered that quote, though, so I might be totally off.
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You're not off.
I love Wash looking forward to it:
"You with the bathing. Me with the watching you
bathe..."

Current systems can recycle just about all the moisture in a space ship.

bun
~Bastards singed my turtle~

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Friday, November 10, 2006 3:19 AM

ZZETTA13

Ok ppl we live in a dirty world. What makes folks think that living in a verse such as the Joss verse would make it any cleaner?

From parents cleaning a baby's butt, to ppl cleaning out their animals pet dish to countless other things, what's the big deal? If someone goes to a theater( if you saw Serenity there) and uses the public toilet you can sanitize all you want. You still have to reach out and pull that door handle to get out.

Germs are everywhere. Money is one of the dirtiest things that you can touch. Your home telephone carries tons of germs. Why wouldn't space be the same way? I'm not saying a person shouldn't attemp to clean up but we can't live our lives in a bubble.

For those of us that remember our si/fi, think WOTW (War of the Worlds). Our little friends saved the planet.

Z

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Friday, November 10, 2006 3:48 AM

HISGOODGIRL

Just a gal out on the rim writing tales.

I agree with Rocketjock. The human body generates a large volume of water as exhaled moisture, sweat and urine. In a closed atmo system, it makes perfect sense that ALL sources of moisture would be collected and "scrubbed" through filters, with non-aqueous waste being combusted or compacted or just dumped (we're not a very tidy species.)

Consider the waste water that drips out of a home or auto air conditioning unit. Some is ambient moisture from the humidity in the air; more is exhaled moisture.

While this might not make large amounts of water available for long hot showers, it does mean that our BDHs would have water for basic uses.

The key here is intensive recycling: effective collection and scrubbing/filtration. This is something we should ALL be paying more attention to. We live in a closed system - Earth - and we're rapidly using up our resources with little consideration for the long-term implications.

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Friday, November 10, 2006 4:04 AM

DUG

PR is right that the shots in OMR are of lights. I may be misremembering the episode; there is a shot in the captain's bunk of something nozzle-y that isn't one of the lights.

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Friday, November 10, 2006 12:19 PM

SOTHPAW

good note one the pulling open of the bathroom door after you wash your hands Z
i am in Architecture school and it angers me how often a bathroom door is installed to swing into the bathroom... all the buildings i ever design will have the bathroom door swing out so once you wash your hands all you hafta do is push...

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Friday, November 10, 2006 2:05 PM

BROWNCOATJIM

To quote our BDH: "Oh God! I can't know that!"

Simon: "Were there any Feds?"
mal: "No, no Feds, just an honest brawl between folk."

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Friday, November 10, 2006 5:19 PM

FLORALBUNNY

Sothpaw wrote:
Friday, November 10, 2006 12:19
good note one the pulling open of the bathroom door after you wash your hands Z
i am in Architecture school and it angers me how often a bathroom door is installed to swing into the bathroom... all the buildings i ever design will have the bathroom door swing out so once you wash your hands all you hafta do is push...
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S'paw, the latest thing is to dry your hands *with a paper towel* (blower-dryers are horrible germ-spreaders and should be phased out) then use that towel to grasp the knob on the exit door, dropping the towel into the wastebasket that has been placed for the purpose. So your designs should leave room outside the bathroom for either a basket or an easy-to-reach wall-unit for disposal.
As for in-swing vs. out-swing doors, the main
consideration should always be safety. Codes cover surprisingly small details, but they're usually based on experience and studies.

bun
~Bastards singed my turtle~

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Monday, November 13, 2006 11:27 AM

SOTHPAW

FloralBunny: yes i am aware of codes and i do use paper towels to open the knob/pull door open. but an architect never has the authority to decide on air blowers vs. paper towels. thats up to the owner 99% of the time. door swings are something an architect can define tho so... hey if your an owner and you want to give me 100% decision, cool. i hope you have the money.

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Monday, November 13, 2006 7:22 PM

FLORALBUNNY

Sothpaw wrote in part:
... hey if your an owner and you want to give me 100% decision, cool. i hope you have the money.
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Love it! And you! Presumably this is a quote
direct from Mies when he signed on to do the
Tugendhat house.

bun, laughing all the way back to the drawing board
~Bastards singed my turtle~

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Wednesday, November 15, 2006 5:45 AM

ZZETTA13

Captain log stardate 2006-11.15

SOTHPAW & FLORALBUNNY, may I suggest that public bathroom doors open up like the doors on the Enterprise in Star Trek. That way if the door opens out one doesn't have to touch all that nastyness and if someone is coming in they won't get hit in the knoggin with the door while they have both hands holding their male(or female) parts because they have to go so bad

Just some thoughts,Z

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Wednesday, November 15, 2006 6:00 PM

FLORALBUNNY

zzetta --
RObathroomFL

Clearly we've allowed ourselves to be trapped
in old-fashioned thinking.
Nothing like having a fresh mind applied to a
problem.

bun
~Bastards singed my turtle~

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Monday, November 27, 2006 1:46 PM

SOTHPAW

would love it if i could design pocket doors that would roll/fold/slide into a wall or up into the ceiling. however... no on wants to pay for it.
and FloralBunny- that could very well be a quote from Meis but thats my mentality too. many US building codes require swinging doors in cases of emergency. i say use gravity, if there is an emergency all doors slide open from counterweights. but thats my dream world.
i'm still looking for info on fold up toilets. if anyone has one or seen one is there a company name you could give me.

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Monday, November 27, 2006 3:17 PM

TEACHDAIRE

Here's a design I've seen for bathrooms on a train of all places.

You get in from outside by pressing a button on the outside wall. The flush for the toilet is controlled by a foot switch (you just stand on it to flush), the sink is automatic, you just hold your hands inside it and you get water at one end, and soap dispensed at the other. It's paper towels for drying your hands, and another foot switch to open the door to get out.

In theory, this means that you can visit the bathroom without touching anything apart from your own body, your clothes or a paper towel.

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Monday, November 27, 2006 3:24 PM

BABYWITHTHEPOWER

Quote:
Originally posted by amylisai:
What really bothers me about that scene-Every Time I See It--is that he doesn't use soap when he washes his hands and then washes his face! Gross!

I don't know about you, but my momma taught me not to piss on my hands.

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Monday, November 27, 2006 4:41 PM

AMYLISAI

I guess it's a female thing--my boyfriend says his pee instrument is probably his cleanest body part--but as a woman I would never touch something down there without washing my hands...

Was that enough "too much information" for you?

Though your comment was hilarious :-)

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Monday, November 27, 2006 5:33 PM

FLORALBUNNY

Teachdaire --
Interesting toilet! Who manufactured the train,
and where was it being operated?

Sothpaw, you've definitely got the 'tude.

I think the Japanese might be a good source of
fold-up toilet design, given their track record for innovation in the bathroom dept.

This thread seems destined for an award of some kind.

bun
~Bastards air-locked my turtle~

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Monday, November 27, 2006 5:36 PM

TENTHCREWMEMBER

Could you please just make it stranger? Stranger. Odder. Could be weirder. More bizarre. How about uncanny?

Quote:
Originally posted by Xander2061:
Seriously how many people do you think wash their hands BEFORE they go to the toilet?

I would be one who washes before AND after.
Anything less would be...uncivilized. ;)

BWAH!

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Monday, November 27, 2006 5:39 PM

TENTHCREWMEMBER

Could you please just make it stranger? Stranger. Odder. Could be weirder. More bizarre. How about uncanny?

Quote:
Originally posted by amylisai:
I guess it's a female thing--my boyfriend says his pee instrument is probably his cleanest body part--

Sounds to me like he "lathers up" regularly...

BWAH!

TCM

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Monday, November 27, 2006 11:01 PM

TEACHDAIRE

Floral,
It's on a brand new Virgin Pendelino train that runs on the West Coast main line in the UK.

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Tuesday, November 28, 2006 4:41 PM

FASTMOVER

I remember in Objects in Space right before Book is taken out by Jubal Early he appears to have just come out of the shower. He has a towel over his shoulder and looks like he just dried off. Otherwise, I think it would be possible to use that waterless cleanser stuff they have in some National Park restrooms that rubs out dry and smells good.

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