Firefly is a ripoff of Buffy! by Zicsoft

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Firefly is a ripoff of Buffy!

POSTED BY: ZICSOFT
UPDATED: Saturday, February 24, 2007 01:31
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Saturday, June 8, 2002 2:44 PM

Just look at the cast:

Mal/Buffy -- The troubled, mysterious hero.

Zoe/Xander -- Your first thought is that this is the hero's love interest. But It Can Never Happen.

Wash/Willow -- Deeply loves Zoe/Xander, not really jealous of Mal/Buffy, but troubled on some level by his/her attraction to Zoe/Xander.

Simon/Giles -- The overeducated outsider, who initially appears to be a pompous fool, but turns out to have hidden depths.

Inara/Cordelia -- Need I say more?

River/Dru -- Crazy, but she Knows Things.

Jayne/Spike -- Ok, I admit it, I'm reaching!

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Saturday, June 8, 2002 2:55 PM

NOVAGRASS

that's sorta eerie...

I say: If you've found something that works, run with it!

--Dylan Palmer, aka NoVaGrAsS--

... I guess it's a Joss thing...

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Saturday, June 8, 2002 6:42 PM

TIEKA

Mal/Buffy -- hero(heroine).

Zoe/Xander -- love interest.

Wash/Willow -- conflicting love interest

Simon/Giles -- sage, wiseman

Inara/Cordelia -- eye candy

River/Dru -- religous fanatic

Jayne/Spike -- warrior

That's my way of seeing it. If you look at just about any show, you can break it down to the archtypes.

Now thinking about Spike.......

Tieka,
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with everyone

Once you've been in Serenity, you never leave. You just learn to live there. --Firefly script

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Saturday, June 8, 2002 6:56 PM

MOJOECA

Actually, I'm thinking it's a ripoff of Angel:

Mal/Angel: Broody hero with dark past
Zoe/Cordy: Loyal to hero; really, really hot
Wash/Lorne: "He is the calm one with a sense of humor"
River/Fred: Crazy; ballerinas from Texas (in RL)
Book/Gunn: Token black guy
Alliance/W&H: Controlling Organization after our hero

--- Joe

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Saturday, June 8, 2002 7:10 PM

CHARLIEBLUE

Quote:
Originally posted by Tieka:
River/Dru -- religous fanatic

River's a religious fanatic? Was it the Vatican government that took her or something?

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Sunday, June 9, 2002 5:42 AM

WOLFRAM

Meh. If you go looking for similarities in things, you're bound to find them. I mean, I'm the smart, funny, geeky one in my group---does that mean Joss used me to create the concept of Willow?! *gasp* It's like those Lincoln and Kennedy comparisons---if you're searching for something hard enough, you're bound to find it. Not even because it's actually there, but because your mind made it so. *shrug*

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Monday, June 10, 2002 6:46 AM

BLAISE

i guess you could just say that there is a formula of character types used in practically every tv show, it works, so they use it. look at scary movies and teen movies, you can run a parallel with everyone of them just about. they even made movies about it.

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Monday, June 10, 2002 9:05 AM

ROGUE

Hopefully he's sensible enough to go formulaeic and end up like star trek with
Captain on ship
Ship meets alien/particle
Particle/Alien threatens ship
Captain makes rash decision
Other crewmember helps captain make right decision
Particle/alien not bad, just misunderstood
diplomacy/technobabbel = happy ending

Who do you serve and who do you trust?

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Monday, June 10, 2002 11:57 AM

ZICSOFT

I've just realized I had it backwards -- Buffy is a ripoff of Firefly! Yeah, I know Buffy was on first. But you've heard of time warps? This is science fiction after all!

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Thursday, February 22, 2007 2:47 PM

CAUSAL

Just thought current posters might be entertained by this old thread.

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Thursday, February 22, 2007 2:51 PM

NVGHOSTRIDER

I enjoyed seeing posters from a bygone era.

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Thursday, February 22, 2007 3:17 PM

STORYMARK

Let's not forget the crew of The Betty, from Alien Resurrection. Very simmilar lot, there.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Thursday, February 22, 2007 4:02 PM

EMBERS

Quote:
Originally posted by Zicsoft:
Just look at the cast:

Mal/Buffy -- The troubled, mysterious hero.

Zoe/Xander -- Your first thought is that this is the hero's love interest. But It Can Never Happen.

Wash/Willow -- Deeply loves Zoe/Xander, not really jealous of Mal/Buffy, but troubled on some level by his/her attraction to Zoe/Xander.

Simon/Giles -- The overeducated outsider, who initially appears to be a pompous fool, but turns out to have hidden depths.

Inara/Cordelia -- Need I say more?

River/Dru -- Crazy, but she Knows Things.

Jayne/Spike -- Ok, I admit it, I'm reaching!

no no silly Zicsoft:
didn't you even listen to Joss' commentary on Firely?
Jayne = Cordelia (superficial and self-centered)
Kaylee = Willow (sweetest character ever)
River = Buffy (superpowered teenage girl)
Wash = Xander (both are the Joss clones, just look how they dress!)

I think Mal is the dark existential hero Angel was supposed to be
Book = Giles

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Thursday, February 22, 2007 5:04 PM

FLYVOTE

Huh. Here this whole time I was thinking "Gilligan's Island"...

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Thursday, February 22, 2007 5:20 PM

MONKSDAD

If firefly is a rip off of Buffy
then I say Buffy is a rip off of MASH

"And I think calling him that is an insult to the psychotic lowlife community."

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Thursday, February 22, 2007 5:48 PM

SHANNARA

wtf? i don't know about the rest (too tired to even contemplate) but if xander is anyone, he is most definitely wash. even a moron can see that.

ps. did i just call myself a moron?

"A ship like this, be with you until the day you die"

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Thursday, February 22, 2007 5:53 PM

MONKSDAD

Buffy is a rip off of golden girls

"And I think calling him that is an insult to the psychotic lowlife community."

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Friday, February 23, 2007 1:42 AM

BROWNCOAT1

May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.

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I enjoyed seeing posters from a bygone era.

Yep. Seems none of them visit here anymore and haven't in at least 18 months, more in some cases.

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Friday, February 23, 2007 2:42 AM

ARCLIGHT

Joss ripped off so many different sources to create Firefly it would not surprise me that he ripped off himself also.
Besides that have you ever heard of "formula fiction"? If something works, stick with it.

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Friday, February 23, 2007 3:02 AM

SNAKEBLOKE

this is ridiculous...of course there are similarities, its the same writer/director; its his style that is similar.

Also im sure you could find similarities between bloody Pop Idol and Firefly if u wanted to.

This is completely pointless and annoying :P

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Friday, February 23, 2007 4:57 AM

DARKFLY

you could say that about any series really & buffy is a mix of River & Mal,River in more ways.

You always have the person with a hidden past,troubled past,joker,tough guy,happy & bubbly,the doctor its part of the laws of shows especially sci-fi ones

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Friday, February 23, 2007 10:29 PM

SINGATE

How the hell did you manage to dig this thread out of the archives? When I first joined up I spent hours going through as many threads as possible, some of them being pure gold, but now when I try to go into the general discussion archives there is an error message. No problems with any other archives just GD.

As to the original post everything is derivative of something. It is nearly impossible to invent a new type of story. The best writers can do is repackage what has worked with a few twists. Nothing wrong with that. Bottom line, if someone likes a story they will defend it, if not they will call it a ripoff, contrived, or unoriginal.

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Friday, February 23, 2007 11:21 PM

FOLLOWMAL

Quote:
Originally posted by BrownCoat1:
Quote:
Originally posted by nvghostrider:
I enjoyed seeing posters from a bygone era.

Yep. Seems none of them visit here anymore and haven't in at least 18 months, more in some cases.

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Saturday, February 24, 2007 12:40 AM

KAYLEEBIRD

I really hope you don't mind, guys.

I feel that Firefly is like:

Mal\Angel: The big fluffy puppy with bad teeth.
Inara\Cordillia: Great Eye-candy for all the guys.
Wash\Lorne: Happy go lucky, wise kicking ass.
Simon\Westly: The know it all. The guy who knows everything about everything in his field.
Kaylee\Fred: The know it all about engineering. Cheerful, happy, 'not very in your face'.

That's about all I could conjure up. :) Unless Buffy Characters are included:

Zoe\Buffy: The action girl. Always lookin' to kick someones ass.
Jayne\Spike: The Warrior. Loves to kick peoples ass, and be crude about it.
River\Drusilla: The loony- always dancing about, even if it's banging your head to Transilvainian Concubine on a deckplate.

"Machines just got workin's and they talk to me, is all."

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Saturday, February 24, 2007 1:31 AM

SUPERFLUOUS

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Originally posted by Wolfram:
Meh. If you go looking for similarities in things, you're bound to find them.

I agree. When push comes to shove, you can make similarities with almost anything.
For example, on ‘Gilligan’s Island’:
Gilligan - Jayne
Jonas Grumby (The Skipper) -Mal
Roy Hinkley (Professor) – Simon
Thurston J. Howell III (Mr. Howell) - Wash
Eunice "Lovey" Wentworth Howell (Mrs. Howell) - Zoë
Ginger Grant (Ginger) - River
Mary Ann Summers (Mary Ann) – Kaylee

And on ‘Cheers’:
"Woody" Boyd – Jayne
Frasier Crane – Simon
Ernie "Coach" Pantusso - Book
Sam Malone – Mal/Jayne
Rebecca Howe - Inara
Cliff Clavin - Wash
Carla Tortelli - River
(I’m drawing at Straws here)

The Possibilities are endless.

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