Joss 'I like the food but...' by zzetta13

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Joss 'I like the food but...'

POSTED BY: ZZETTA13
UPDATED: Saturday, March 3, 2007 12:41
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Friday, February 23, 2007 9:12 AM

Ok browncoats help me out here. I was at a restaruant the other day with a friend of mine who's from south of the border ( that would be south of the Texas border). I rattled off some Firefly related comment,I don't remember what it was and he said to me "Hey I remember that show!"

I was very happy. Another FF fan? He said he'd only seen a couple eps. Then he asks me something that haulted me in my tracks "Where are the Mexicans?" I was so surprised I dropped my taco. I didn't know what to say. He went on about every other ppl being represented in the series but he hadn't seen any from his home country. I wanted to say that I think I saw ppl in the Jaynestown eps that maybe could have been from there but I couldn't. Nor in any eps I could think of. So my question, or should I say his question to Joss is "Where are the Central or South Americans in the verse?"

Z

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Friday, February 23, 2007 9:45 AM

AGATSU

Hm, that's actually a joke from some stand-up comedian, but I don't remember which one. However, I think he was indeed Mexican himself. He goes on about seemingly every race except Mexicans being in outer space in Sci-Fi (especially the Enterprise). Made him worry about the future of Mexicans.

I'm so into Firefly, my butt glows in the dark. A shiny beacon in space.

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Friday, February 23, 2007 9:46 AM

DAYVE

Quote:
Originally posted by zzetta13:
"Where are the Central or South Americans in the verse?"]

You would think that, according to the story that is, that by the time Earth That Was got 'used up' the ethnic make up of the U.S. (and the world for that matter), would be a lot different than it is today - and I hazard a guess that the Hispanic population would be at or very near the majority in this country, so it is odd that that ethnicity would not be represented in the story of the Verse - but then again I don't recall many Italians or French Polynisians either....

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Friday, February 23, 2007 10:14 AM

SHINYED

Too much pax went into their burritos, and they all laid down to take a permanent siesta.

A tenth of 1% however had the opposite reaction to the paxil, became agitated and flocked to America to pick fruit.

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Friday, February 23, 2007 10:16 AM

REGINAROADIE

Or Asians for that matter. Despite almost everyone being able to speak fluent Chinese, there were very few Chinese, Japanese, Koreans or Asians in general on the show. Maybe the odd one here and there, but not anything major.

Than again, they were only in their first half of their first season, so I imagine if FIREFLY was still on the air today, there'd be a more ethnically diverse cast. I imagine by now half the cast would be dead and replaced. Joss's show are sort of a revolving door of cast members, so there's probably be a Latino or Chinese crewmember.

Until then, FUTURAMA still has the most diverse cast of any sci-fi series. Fry's the only early to mid twenties white male in the entire cast. You have a one eyed female mutant, a Latino robot, a 150 year old male, a Chinese girl from Mars, a rastafarian bureaucrat and a Crustacean doctor filling out the basic crew.

FIREFLY only has two black people (well, one now after SERENITY) and a Latino (I know Morena in real life is South American, but I'm not sure about her ethnicity on the show) on crew. Everyone else is lily white. Say what you want about TREK, but at least in the original series they had diversity.

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Friday, February 23, 2007 10:36 AM

DAYVE

Ya know, actually Gina Torres (even though she was born in Manhattan), has Cuban parents.

From her website...
"...growing up in a mixed but predominantly Latino neighborhood that Gina began to absorb the culture of her world..."
"My parents were classy beautiful Latin people."

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Friday, February 23, 2007 10:43 AM

DAYVE

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Friday, February 23, 2007 11:03 AM

DERANGEDMILK

I think there was a fair amount of diversity and that were the show allowed to go on longer we would have seen even more.
-e

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"We'll pass through it soon enough."

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Friday, February 23, 2007 11:11 AM

SCHOONER

I too think that, had the show gone on longer, we would have seen more a more diverse 'verse. IIRC, in the BDM we hear "the Sanchez brothers" mentioned as people who sheltered the crew at some point.

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Friday, February 23, 2007 11:59 PM

SPACEANJL

What is the deal? Maybe the Alliance have a list where they have to employ so many people of varying ethnicities on their ships, but otherwise, maybe it's just the way the casting crumbled. Perhaps Joss is asking us to look past anything like that to the personalities.

There are all sorts of folk in the background scenes on Persephone etc. The Burquas on the train. Badger's goombahs were quite a diverse bunch. As Schooner says, we hear of the Sanchez brothers. We also hear about Li Shen, Horowitz, Bernoulli and Gruviek at various times. I think everybody is out there. We just didn't get to see them because of F*x.

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Saturday, February 24, 2007 3:09 PM

FLORALBUNNY

reginaroadie wrote in part:
I know Morena in real life is South American, but I'm not sure about her ethnicity on the show)
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I assume "Inara Serra" is intended to be a Latina,
as it was the Spanish Padre Serra who founded
the missions which run up the coast of California.

Shoot me, but I don't care for anything which has
the "sampler" one-of-each look to it. I want to
know the actors are the best the show can get, not
tokens of age, sex, race, species, kingdom, time-frame,
whatever...

bun
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~We aim to exponentiate~
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Monday, February 26, 2007 9:52 AM

INDIGOSTARBLASTER

Also, with racial mixing, it gets pretty hard to tell after a few generations, let alone after 500 years. Our son is half-Chinese, and one-eighth each of English, Irish, Welsh and Ukrainian. Result: he looks Greek, or maybe Armenian.

Re: the BDH's, they could all have mixed heritage, but we just wouldn't be able to tell on sight.

Indigo S.

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Monday, February 26, 2007 3:07 PM

FLORALBUNNY

Years ago I read a projection that we'd all end up
cafe-au-lait color, with brown eyes.
Not so sure of that now.
Have, however, recently read that red hair is on
its way out because of genetic dilution, and that
sounds reasonable.

>Result: he looks Greek, or maybe Armenian.

Cute, indigo. In my family is a half-Armenian
kid who, when young, looked exactly like Mikhail
Baryshnikov. He outgrew it, however. His sister
has never resembled him in the least.
Goes to show you never know for sure what's
going to happen when you start having offspring.

bun
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~We aim to exponentiate~
~Who is Bill Pardy?~

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Monday, February 26, 2007 3:17 PM

KRYS33

Quote:
Originally posted by IndigoStarblaster:
Also, with racial mixing, it gets pretty hard to tell after a few generations, let alone after 500 years. Our son is half-Chinese, and one-eighth each of English, Irish, Welsh and Ukrainian. Result: he looks Greek, or maybe Armenian.

Re: the BDH's, they could all have mixed heritage, but we just wouldn't be able to tell on sight.

Indigo S.

Agreed. My father's half Japanese, and people can't pinpoint his ethnicity most of the time. As a result, I'm a quarter Japanese, with some Lithuanian thrown in, and look very much simply Caucasian.

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-Krystal

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Monday, February 26, 2007 3:21 PM

GHOULFISH

Um, maybe someone should take a look at the scenes where Serenity lands in some of the crowded plants - there are loads of asians, and i think there is even a mexican looking person frying something and selling it.

I might have just been halucinating but i dont think so i only noticed a lack of Canadians in the staff - when firefly gets back and running maybe they should hire me to represent the people here up north. (no im not an eskimo)

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Monday, February 26, 2007 3:26 PM

GAMBIT3

as far as spotting Mexicans in FF...

I always thought the bad guys in "Our Mrs. Reynolds" (the ones manning the electronic "net") were hispanic.

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Thursday, March 1, 2007 5:49 PM

STINKINGROSE

Marco. I know, probably the token Italian, right?

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Friday, March 2, 2007 11:34 PM

PHOENIXROSE

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.

What about the fence in 'War Stories'? Can't for the life of me remember his name right now, but he looked and sounded pretty hispanic to me.

Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so.

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Saturday, March 3, 2007 12:27 PM

SHAMELESS

Seemed like maybe a combo of Hispanic and what would have been Native American back on Earth-That-Was. More Native American, in my opinion.

Also, I don't know if this was actually Joss's original plan for Kaylee, but I know that Shawna Trpcic (costume designer for Firefly) thought that she would be Asian, and drew her concept art thusly.

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Saturday, March 3, 2007 12:41 PM

DAVESHAYNE

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Originally posted by PhoenixRose:
What about the fence in 'War Stories'? Can't for the life of me remember his name right now, but he looked and sounded pretty hispanic to me.

Bosch. I was gonna say that too.

David

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