Vote for Firefly (We're #3)! XIV by FlatTop

Quote:
Originally posted by sab39:
It's lookin' to me like Bonanza's going to hit the 200K mark before us. (There's no "projected days to 200K" entry in the table, I'm just doin' the math in my head... nothin' into nothin'... carry the nothin'...)

Anyone want to do the math properly and see if there's any way we could pull that off?

Just ran the numbers using weekly averages:
Bonanza is averaging 796 v/d. They are projected to hit 200K in 8 days (Saturday, March 24).

Firefly is averaging 1,272 v/d. We are projected to hit 200K in 10 days (Monday, March 26), overtaking Bonanza the following day.

We need some combination of:
Bonanzai maintain weekly average votes, we need
1,547 votes/day to tie
1,754 votes/day to win

We maintain our weekly average votes, Bonanzai must fall to:
663 v/d for us to tie.
589 votes/day for us to win

As our beating them to 200K also means us passing them for the #2 slot, I wouldn't plan on the Bonanzai backing off. If anything, I'd expect them to rally all the harder. That leaves it for us to step up.

It's a good day to die folks. 'Course that isn't plan 'A'. Let's smash a few records!

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Friday, March 16, 2007 7:00 AM

DAVESHAYNE

Quote:
Originally posted by sab39:
It's lookin' to me like Bonanza's going to hit the 200K mark before us. (There's no "projected days to 200K" entry in the table, I'm just doin' the math in my head... nothin' into nothin'... carry the nothin'...)

Anyone want to do the math properly and see if there's any way we could pull that off?

Well the 'B's are pulling about 800 votes a day and with 5310 votes to go they should break the 200k mark in 7 days. we need 10523 votes so to tie them we need to put up a bit over 1500 votes per day. To flat out beat them we need a bit over 1750 votes per day.

Does anybody know 30 people who can put ten votes a day in that aren't already voting?

David

"Not completely as well as the series of Firefly..." - From a review of Serenity at amazon.de

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Friday, March 16, 2007 7:56 AM

SOLAN

*cough* Did any of you guys have a problem with the Linux zip file before? 'Cause I seem to be too stupid for this. o.o *therefore keeps voting manually*

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Friday, March 16, 2007 8:09 AM

JLIN

Well, I'm trying to do more today. I can vote 6 times per hour right now using other peoples computers at work. Of course, I'm going to be able to that most Friday's for awhile.

Another bump in honor of Alan's B-Day!

It would be I would get most poetical about my bump.

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Friday, March 16, 2007 8:09 AM

JLIN

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Friday, March 16, 2007 9:16 AM

As long as we win in the end I'm happy. Course' there ain't nothin' wrong with beatin' 'em sooner.

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Friday, March 16, 2007 9:17 AM

...everyone in my office is on the same ISP **damn**....ah, well; voting and bumping

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Friday, March 16, 2007 10:15 AM

Well done Browncoats, keep it going.

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Friday, March 16, 2007 10:26 AM

...and there's another!

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Friday, March 16, 2007 11:24 AM

..and ANOTHER from home!

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Friday, March 16, 2007 11:24 AM

..and ANOTHER from home!

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Friday, March 16, 2007 1:22 PM

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Friday, March 16, 2007 1:42 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by JLin:
Well, I'm trying to do more today. I can vote 6 times per hour right now using other peoples computers at work. Of course, I'm going to be able to that most Friday's for awhile.

Oh... to misquote someone, "your vote is problematical". You see, those computers are (most likely) on the same subnet. They will all be thrown out, I'm afraid. Since they have no way to know if it is one person cheating (6 people on their own computer, or one person on 6 computers (or once person kicking around their DHCP server), the site assumes all traffic from the same subnet is a cheat. You are better off voting just once per hour.

As FLAtRich says, one vote per human per hour is the intent; if he can catch otherwise, he tosses the votes.

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Friday, March 16, 2007 1:45 PM

Yub yub vote/yub yub bump....
did anyone notice 'yub' is 'buy' spelled backward?

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Friday, March 16, 2007 3:00 PM

Wow sister. Maybe you can tell me what odriew spelled backwards is?

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Friday, March 16, 2007 3:59 PM

STORMCAT

If it is one vote person human then why didn't my partners vote on her computer not count? I vote on my laptop. That is about 8 votes a day F/F is losing. There should be a way he can tell that the votes are coming from 2 different computers.

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Friday, March 16, 2007 4:09 PM

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Quote:
Originally posted by StormCat:

There should be a way he can tell that the votes are coming from 2 different computers.

I would like that. I have about 15 computers.

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Friday, March 16, 2007 6:17 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by StormCat:
If it is one vote person human then why didn't my partners vote on her computer not count? I vote on my laptop. That is about 8 votes a day F/F is losing. There should be a way he can tell that the votes are coming from 2 different computers.

Are they both connected to the same wireless router? Its only one vote per IP address not per computer. If both of your computers are operating off of the same wireless router then theres your explaination.
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Friday, March 16, 2007 6:26 PM

MORENA

That 200,000 is so close that I can taste it..BUMP!

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Friday, March 16, 2007 9:01 PM

Bumpity, bump. Still an outside chance at 200k before Bonanza.

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Friday, March 16, 2007 9:16 PM

W00CH

What I don't understand is ever other F***ing show on the chart to vote for has had at least a couple seasons, and you're (Fox... may they burn in hell) Telling me, that Firefly doesn't even warrant a 2nd chance. Xena went like what 4-6 seasons, Bonanza... TV Classic... FIREFLY... Fans left wanting... I hope to see it ahead of Bonanza here real quick though.

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Saturday, March 17, 2007 12:44 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by FlyVote:
Quote:
Originally posted by StormCat:

There should be a way he can tell that the votes are coming from 2 different computers.

I would like that. I have about 15 computers.

It's easy to tell that they are different computers. Much harder to tell if they are different fingers pushing the buttons.

The rule (as stated) is "One vote per IP per hour."
The rule (as intended) is "One vote per person per hour."
The rule (as enforced) is "One vote per subnet (think building or corporate server) per hour."

Today's numbers will be late (after my dinnerish). Going to be afk all day judging a Tae Kwon Do tournament.

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Saturday, March 17, 2007 2:18 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by StormCat:
If it is one vote person human then why didn't my partners vote on her computer not count? I vote on my laptop. That is about 8 votes a day F/F is losing.

Sad, but true. As I mentioned...
"You see, those computers are (most likely) on the same subnet. They will all be thrown out, I'm afraid. Since they have no way to know if it is one person cheating (6 people on their own computer, or one person on 6 computers (or once person kicking around their DHCP server), the site assumes all traffic from the same subnet is a cheat. You are better off voting just once per hour."
and between you and your partner, you are better off voting just once per hour. Much as my wife and I (and our 255 childern, uncles, and inlaws who live in the same house and each have their own computer... ok, mostly kidding, only the wife is real, but I am hoping you see the point from FLAtRich's perspective) make a point of casting only one vote between the two us. Likewise, this is another 8-10 votes a day FF is losing since my wife is also a fan; however, from a "fairness" perspective, this is a situation all shows must deal with equally.

Quote:

There should be a way he can tell that the votes are coming from 2 different computers.

"Should", I'd say it would be "nice", but the hurdles are significant. Unfortunately, when the web was built, much of the technology was designed around a "peers of equal" perspective. Basic web browsing was intended to make content available, not necessarily designed to ensure that unique systems were positively known, and (which is nearly impossible) forced to a per human verification.

Let's say you have two systems A and B. I have a server C. To make things more like a typical "home setup" your systems A and B are "NAT"ted to a single IP address. The "NAT" being done by your in house router could actually be done, say, by a programmable Linux systems. Let's say I understand all these terms (and I don't really) and worse, I am determined to cheat. I can setup that NAT routers so instead of looking like I have my two real systems, I have 240 real systems; perhaps even more. Since I control the NAT, FLAtRich has -no- way to know that I really have two systems; I can alter the NAT programming such that it is indistinguashable from the server's (system C above) perspective what is really going on here.

So, let's say FLAtRich can figure out a way to determine there's really two systems behind the NAT; now, given that a NAT is probably to a single household; how does he know there's really two people associated to those two systems. While only my wife and I live at home, I currently have 4 computer systems hung onto my home network; each using that natted connection (I personally use a "black box" router which I cannot (easily ;-) ) reprogram); and I have two more systems in a closet I could easily hook up. How on earth is FLAtRich supposed to figure out there's only 2 people running those 6 systems? I have a friend who has a gaming network in his basesment; he has 16 systems and he lives by himself.

Anyway, to make a long story short, while I "wish" there was an easy way for FLAtRich to know how many people lived in my house, and how to tell each was voting separately and honestly and independently, there really isn't. I personally believe that he has struck a reasonable compromise. I have considered many possible strategies on what could be done to "lighten the rules" so more folks can vote fairly; but I see no way to block the cheats against those ideas... so keep falling back to believe what FLAtRich has done is a reasonable compromise.

The -intent- is one vote per human per hour. The -enforced rule- is one vote per ip block per hour; with the understanding that when a human figures out a way to vote twice in an hour, they are cheating and if he finds a way to block the cheat (and he's pretty clever, he probably will (or already has)) he'll simply, without warning or advisement, throw the votes away.

I will note that some local IP providers will let you buy a 2nd IP; my provider allows for that. This falls into the "ip block" restraint since that second ip will always be in the same "block"; unfortunately, if you get one and use it to vote twice, then both votes are discarded (as mentioned previously).

Unless you get folks to buy systems with fingerprint scanners (which are starting to be fairly common on high end laptops as part of theft prevention) and/or retinal scanners, I cannot conceive a way of making sure you have "distinct humans" out there casting votes.

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Saturday, March 17, 2007 2:30 AM

I take it back, the fingerprint and retinal scanners would be attached to our systems; even as implemented on most laptops, the system is designed to prevent access to the system. Once access is established, the user has full autonomy to modify the software and since the system is under the control of the user, it is likely that the system, especially when sharing the authentication mechanism back out to the web, can be compromised to send missleading data back to the server in question. So... if you ever wonder why folks are reluctant to allow "real" elections to be run off the web, you might be starting to get some insight as to the challenges.

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Saturday, March 17, 2007 2:54 AM

JORUNE

Lunchtime bump the buttons off my trousers.

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Saturday, March 17, 2007 4:39 AM

CANTER

and bumping

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Saturday, March 17, 2007 4:45 AM

CAUSAL

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Saturday, March 17, 2007 5:38 AM

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1438! Great going Browncoats

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Saturday, March 17, 2007 5:53 AM

happy st. pat's day bump

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Saturday, March 17, 2007 6:33 AM

wearin' orange bump

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Saturday, March 17, 2007 6:53 AM

STORMCAT

Hehe, you lost me at hello!

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Saturday, March 17, 2007 6:57 AM

FEDEXXX

Lexx is still here :)
A piraty bump from Bulgaria. If you don't know what I'm talking about, you might listen to the news on Thursday or Friday, if we manage to make this big, it should be given on the news around the world ;)

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Saturday, March 17, 2007 8:44 AM

DAVESHAYNE

Toast for lunch bump.

David

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Saturday, March 17, 2007 9:59 AM

Breakfast bump.

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Saturday, March 17, 2007 11:44 AM

Rats. I managed to miss collecting yesterday's stats. If someone would post the top40 for yesterday, I'd be most appreciative.

Bump.

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Saturday, March 17, 2007 12:21 PM

title total dayDelta aveFeb1 aveJan1
Xena 247052 1,522 1,261 974
Bonanza 195551 861 744 729
Firefly 190915 1,438 1,202 1,123

Based on yesterday's numbers, Bonanza is 5 days out from 200K, and we are 6. Going to be close!

Can't do top10 + BSG w/out all of yesterday's numbers; sorry. Top 3 is courtesy of FlatTop's top three numbers posted yesterday.

I can say based on recent averages, BsG is still next to hit the "top10", and will do so in about 2 weeks.

Highway to Heaven is still the next most likely show to rise into the Top40; but it is still many weeks away at the current voting rate. No other show is close to keeping up to it.

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Saturday, March 17, 2007 12:54 PM

STORMCAT

Quote:
Originally posted by StormCat:
Hehe, you lost me at hello!

This was supposed to be for LeadB with his/her explination on computers inthe home. I hit reply with quote, or I thought I did.

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Saturday, March 17, 2007 3:09 PM

SAB39

Goin' on a year now I ain't had nothin' twixt my nethers weren't run on BUMP

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Saturday, March 17, 2007 4:38 PM

CAUSAL

Bonanzans are rallying. Not going to help much; it'll just prolong the inevitible--but it's commendable, I guess.

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Saturday, March 17, 2007 4:47 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by leadb:
Rats. I managed to miss collecting yesterday's stats. If someone would post the top40 for yesterday, I'd be most appreciative.

Good thing we don't seem to miss the same days

SHOW / VOTES - Total Top 40 votes recorded as of 03/16/07
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Xena: Warrior Princess 245530
Bonanza 194690
Firefly 189477
La Femme Nikita 105978
Farscape 105586
Gunsmoke 101271
The X-Files 79380
Lexx 72638
Roswell 67598
Queer as Folk 62171
Ponderosa 54108
Laramie 51539
Buffy the Vampire Slayer 50199
Battlestar Galactica (2004) 48624
The Man from U.N.C.L.E. 48178
Stargate SG-1 45183
Angel 43028
Star Trek: The Next Generation 38872
Babylon 5 34125
Star Trek: The Original Series 34104
Star Trek: Voyager 32365
JAG 31395
Charmed 27600
Doctor Who 27343
CSI: Crime Scene Investigation 26870
House MD 26755
Little House on the Prairie 26743
Trapper John, M.D. 26407
Scarecrow and Mrs. King 26349
The Simpsons 25862
Star Trek: Deep Space Nine 24968
Les Filles de Caleb 24258
NCIS 23796
Stargate Atlantis 22300
Combat! 22022
Scoop 20559
Northern Exposure 20520
Alias 20297
Hercules: The Legendary Journeys 19514
Cleopatra 2525 19455

Hope that's the right set. If not, let me know & I'll try again.
Cheers.

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Saturday, March 17, 2007 4:52 PM

Today's Numbers

Total Votes (Range to show)
Xena(1): 247,052 (56137)
Bonanza(2): 195,551 (4636)
Firefly(3): 190,915 (0)

Votes Gained Today (Wk.Avg.) Avg.
Xena(1): 1,522 (1,387) 732
…Consecutive Days > Firefly: 3
…Best Day (March 16, 2007): 1,555 (record for all time best)
Bonanza(2): 861 (809) 663
Firefly(3): 1,438 (1,304) 914
...Consecutive days > 1K: 5
…Best Day (March 1, 2007): 1,488

Closure Rate Today (Wk.Avg.) Avg.
Xena(1): -84 (-83) 182
Bonanza(2): 577 (495) 251

Days to Intercept Today (Wk.Avg.) Avg.
Xena(1): -668 (-676) 308
Bonanza(2): 8 (9) 18

Happy St. Patrick's Day!

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Saturday, March 17, 2007 6:31 PM

Bedtime bump

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Saturday, March 17, 2007 10:54 PM

Special St Patricks day bump to the Irish cricket team knocking Pakistan out of the World Cup.

Bygosh & begorah, there'll be some sore heads tomorrow.

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Sunday, March 18, 2007 12:03 AM

JORUNE

Morning bump but a quiet bump as the Iriah lost the Six Nations Rugby in the last few seconds.

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Sunday, March 18, 2007 2:41 AM

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Sunday, March 18, 2007 3:23 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by StormCat:
Quote:
Originally posted by StormCat:
Hehe, you lost me at hello!

This was supposed to be for LeadB with his/her explination on computers inthe home. I hit reply with quote, or I thought I did.

And I picked up on that ;-)

No sweat, it happens to be a topic of some interest to me. I'll be honest, given how the net was designed, it's amazing it works as well as it does... especially in the sense we can very easily use stuff like NAT via some simple boxes we buy and stick in front of our computers... it works, and for the most part people -don't- need to understand it.

I suppose the short version is: It's hard to tell how many computers are "really" behind the networking hardware (if someone is trying to 'cheat', if they aren't, you can usually make some reasonable guesses), and it's next to impossible to tell how many humans are behind those computers.

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Sunday, March 18, 2007 3:36 AM

Top 10 + BSG for Sat then Sunday. (Thanks for the data Flattop!)

Sat:
title total dayDelta aveFeb1 aveJan1
Xena 247052 1,522 1,261 974
Bonanza 195551 861 744 729
Firefly 190915 1,438 1,202 1,123
Nikita 106153 175 158 161
Farscape 105880 294 261 236
Gunsmoke 101854 583 474 425
X-Files 79710 330 334 330
Lexx 72985 347 330 302
Roswell 67814 216 190 179
QaF 62222 51 74 61
BsG 49212 588 560 528
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Sun:
title total dayDelta aveFeb1 aveJan1
Xena 248505 1,453 1,265 980
Bonanza 196333 782 745 729
Firefly 192102 1,187 1,201 1,124
Nikita 106319 166 159 161
Farscape 106144 264 261 236
Gunsmoke 102366 512 475 426
X-Files 79994 284 333 329
Lexx 73276 291 330 302
Roswell 67987 173 189 179
QaF 62276 54 74 61
BsG 49723 511 559 528

Misc obserations... yesterday I confused myself with not having the "middle day data", BsG is a bit less then 4 weeks out to top 10.

Little House and Combat! both seem to be coming on with pretty consistent 350-400 votes.

Buffy is doing nicely with a solid 320-390's. She will likely make top10, but probabably after Ponderosa; then knocking Ponderosa out of the top 10 for a bit.

Star Trek Voyager is making a bit of a hyperleap; they've hopped up to the 360's lately; higher than the other ST shows.

Nominations...
Highway to Heaven is 4th in the nominations and ascending. Hitting about 200/day
Mr. Rogers continues to make a slow rise, recently broke into the top 30 of the nomination poll.

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Sunday, March 18, 2007 4:00 AM