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Originally posted by Cache:
We are talking
about a show where the protagonists are basicly
pirates and you take the high ground when I
mention copying the DVDs as a method to induce
others to purchase them? You could cut that
irony with a knife.

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Originally posted by kaneman:
Haken Saturday, March 20, 2004 - 06:57




"Sharereactor and websites like it (such as www.bucktv.net) acts as a directory and contains links to files available on the eDonkey peer-to-peer file sharing network. Clicking on one of these links (much like clicking on a hyperlink in your browser) loads the file information into your eDonkey network client (eMule Plus is a good one). Once the information is loaded, your eDonkey network client then proceeds to download the file from the peer-to-peer network."

"What makes these directories popular is that they contain links to television programs aired here in the US. So if you were to miss an episode of your favorite show (if you're in the US), you can simply download it and watch it. If you're not in the US, these network would be the only way for someone in a foreign country to watch an American television show. One could think of this as a poor man on-demand television network."


Hey [MOD EDIT: Please refrain from personal attacks]

These are Haken's words from a blog. Haken has done more than most. Does he seem anti-(well)Hacker?

[MOD EDIT: Please refrain from personal attacks]
......End of story

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Originally posted by TDBrown:
Haken's post is about watching, not stealing, US TV Shows. If it's like the shows you can watch and download on cbs.com and abc.com, they include the commercials. IOW, it's part of the way the networks do business. It's not some clever pirating scheme; It's just another way for TV Stations to get you to watch their Programs, which is the equivalent of getting you to watch their ADVERTISERS!

Get a life, Felon...

"Might have been the losing side, still not convinced it was the wrong one." -Mal

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Originally posted by Ghoulfish:
welcome to fff.net

now say sorry or go away before i cybersmack you to troll country

Firefly is described as a scifi cult classic, our support helped to make the BDM, we are unorganised because we lack the information to do otherwise than writing letters, sending emails and supporting Joss.

Virus and Pirating tactics do more damage than good, even a troll suchs as yourself should realize that.

Maybe you are having a failure to communicate
and, learn how to spell

http://picasaweb.google.com/ghoulfish/Hiahiah/photo#504383828540607891
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Originally posted by Cache:

However, my initial point still stands. Picture
this if you will. You have never heard of Firefly
or Serenity. One day a copy of Disc 1 arrives in
your mailbox at random. You watch it. Do you not
purchase the entire box set as soon as you can? Do
you not purchase the movie? Your moral dilemmas
aside this is a point where hundreds or thousands
can turn millions onto an excellent experience.
And maybe provide enough buzz to bring back what
one of the greatest science fiction writers of all
time OSC called the best sci-fi TV series ever.

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Originally posted by FollowMal:
I'm so glad you're back home, Zoid.

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Originally posted by zoid:

'Troublemaker' accused Cache of being under the age of 18. I do not know if that's true (or whether Cache is male or female), because there's no info on Cache's Profile page.

But let's assume that s/he is under 21. Does that mean Cache (or any other teenager) is unintelligent? Absolutely not. What may be presumed is that s/he is inexperienced in the ways of the world. There is no substitute for real-life experience. You cannot read it in a book, or simulate it by philosophical thought experiments.

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Originally posted by Cache:
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people (especially corporations) no longer respond to or acknowledge letters, protests, nor petitions.
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Originally posted by Cache:
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it you love this series write a letter/email
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...BTW, If I got a random dvd in the mail from someone I didn't know, it would go live with the 4,000 other dvds I've received from aol. In the trash without a second glance.

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...Firefly spin-off: My Name is Early

Jubal makes up for all of the bad things that he has done.

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Originally posted by zoid:

FlyVote suggested:

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...Firefly spin-off: My Name is Early

Jubal makes up for all of the bad things that he has done.

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Now, there's a viral marketing idea. Somebody do an amateur production of that and stick it on 'WhomeverToob'. I'd watch it.



v/r,
-zed
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"I aim to misbehave." -Capt. Mal Reynolds, Serenity, a.k.a. 'the BDBOF'

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Originally posted by Cache:


Calling me a troll, spell flames, all strawmen. If you don't agree with me that is fine, let us
not stoop to insults.

I understand that many of you might be insulted
by my initial post and I am sorry. I was a bit
emotionally charged at the time and not really as
informed as I should have been before I opened my
mouth. You have all done alot and for that I
commend you.

However, my initial point still stands. Picture
this if you will. You have never heard of Firefly
or Serenity. One day a copy of Disc 1 arrives in
your mailbox at random. You watch it. Do you not
purchase the entire box set as soon as you can? Do
you not purchase the movie? Your moral dilemmas
aside this is a point where hundreds or thousands
can turn millions onto an excellent experience.
And maybe provide enough buzz to bring back what
one of the greatest science fiction writers of all
time OSC called the best sci-fi TV series ever.

Yes lending out your boxed sets is all well and
good, but the turn around time is long. Very long.
How long until you can "infect" someone else?
Hence using antiquated delivery systems (USPO)
in combination with modern marketing techniques
(viral distribution) The growth in the fanbase
would be exponential. Again the poignant letter
is the key.

Disagree with my ideas and methods if you will,
I have put in my 2 platinum and said my peace,
but I would much prefer it if you would help me.
My budget does not run that high at the moment.

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Simon: Are you Jason Lee?
Early: Am I Jay's son Lee?
Simon: What?

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Originally posted by nosadseven:
Cache, the irony here is that you are right - letters protests and petitions are not effective in these matters. However, letters, protests, and petitions are not the hallmarks of Browncoat efforts. What we've been doing is exactly what you're suggesting, only we've been doing it leagally. Instead of burning copies of DVDs, we have purchased extra sets to distribute. We put our money where our mouth is - so much, in fact, that many Browncoats have had trouble ordering copies from Amazon, because they think they are being purchased for resale!

We've been running guerrilla marketing campaigns, organizing charitable ventures in the name of Firefly and/or Serenity, and virally spreading the word since the before viral marketing was the in thing. In fact, we were so effective, Universal framed an entire marketing strategy around our efforts (though, not especially effectively). We have (or had, before things were tightened) fanvids all over YouTube and Google Video, we have thousands and thousands of five star reviews on Amazon, and (legal) copies of the DVDs being sent up on the next shuttle to find a permanent home in the International Space Station! We've donated DVDs to libraries across the country, troops serving our country (every Naval vessel has Firefly in their DVD library thanks to the DVDs for the Troops effort), and have arranged public screenings of Firefly and Serenity across the country.

So really, you're on the right track, you would just be served better to approach things a little more constructively, with a closer eye to the history.

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Ain't. We. Just.

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Originally posted by zoid:
Howdy, kaneman.

I know I'm gonna regret this, but, I just gotta respond.

First, I reckon you're really just itching for a conflict of opinions. So, consider that hankerin' scratched, cuz here it comes...

Second, if you're gonna quote Haken, you might've at least included a link, so his words might be read in their original context, as opposed to excerpting them to fit your own context.

Third, a wrongdoer always looks to find a way to get someone else to join them in wrong-doing. Why not just break the law privately, in the comfort of your own psyche, and leave others out of it? Is it some sort of 'Misery loves company' impulse?

Fourth, if you could afford to legally buy the things you steal, would you? Is it simply about not having enough money? Or do you steal everything that comes within easy reach of your hot little fingers? (*zoid suddenly has mental image of kaneman exiting local supermarket, with vest stuffed full of beef roasts, a la 'Pinto' in "Animal House" (available from kaneman on CD-R, $5US)*)

Fifth, if it was your digital product that a quasi-kaneman was downloading, would you be more pissed if he subsequently sold it in quantity from his fleamarket stall/the back of his conversion van (with orange shag carpeting)? Or would you just chuckle to yourself, and privately congratulate the chap on being such a cunning entrepreneur?

These aren't trick questions. There's no gray area in which you operate. A group of high school friends sharing MP3s is against the law. But if they then burn CDs and sell them to all their classmates, that's a crime in every sense of the word.

If Haken, or anyone else, sips from the digital fountain, that's their business, as long as they accept the potential consequences should The Big Shark (law enforcement) gulp up their particular school of minnows, at random. But when kaneman, or Haken -- or anyone else -- starts profiting from that stream, then they're pissing in the communal watering hole and that hurts everyone.

Such piracy raises the prices for everyone, and makes it financially impossible for new works to be produced. Right now, there are a dearth of new games for the PC, because piracy has killed the goose that laid its stolen golden eggs. Pirating console games is a much tougher business, since the boxes must be modded (crack the case and solder a chip to the board, typically) in order to run writable media. Nobody's gonna get rich selling pirated PS2 or XBox games, and that's a fact.

The corporate response to piracy, then? Tons of new games for consoles, none for the PC. Furthermore, most of the console games could be ported to the PC, but what'd be the point? The game developer will never recoup their expenditures to do so, because pirates will rob them blind before the games ever hit the shelves.

It's wrong. You, kaneman, are wrong. What you do, what others like you do, is wrong. You're ruining a golden age of information for everyone else. Worse still, you're trying to encourage others -- naive people -- to join you, by using the tired old argument, "Everyone else is doing it". No, they're not.

If I knew who you were, I'd turn you in to the police.




Conflictingly,

zoid

P.S.
You could always stop what you're doing. Just a suggestion.
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"Good luck in prison." -Hobson, Arthur

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

Maybe somebody should put some scaled down models of Firefly's up all over Boston with shiny LED lights. They won't know what the hell those were unless they watched the show and you'll probably shut the whole city down again...lol.

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Sharereactor taken offline

Well, I'm bummed. It seems this bit of news has had a cascading effect and a few other directory servers and a result have taken their listings offline temporarily until the Sharereactor situation has been resolved.

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FRAUENFELD (kapo) Due to the suspicion of breach of copyright and trademark laws the cantonal judicial Inquiry department of Thurgau has taken down an Internet-Site that served as a link platform for filesharing offerings. A process concerning these matters against the 25 year old owner from Frauenfeld is underway.

The Internet-Site located in Frauenfeld was online for about 30 months and last had over 220.000 hits per day bevor it was taken offline by the Thurgau officials. The in search engines toprated site worked as a anchorpoint for links to downloads of copyright and trademark protectet games and movies that were offered on the filesharing network.

After a complaint from several large corporations, represented by the swiss association against piracy, the cantonal judicial inquiry department of Thurgau initiated an investigation, seized the servers in Frauenfeld and had the site taken offline.

The responsible owner, a 25 year old swiss proved to be very cooperative in explaining matters at hand. The inquiries continue and will take some time.



Shiny

Sunday, March 21, 2004 - 16:21

>Just visit www.bucktv.net and you'll see what I mean.

It says 'under construction'...

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Haken

Saturday, March 20, 2004 - 06:57

Sharereactor and websites like it (such as www.bucktv.net) acts as a directory and contains links to files available on the eDonkey peer-to-peer file sharing network. Clicking on one of these links (much like clicking on a hyperlink in your browser) loads the file information into your eDonkey network client (eMule Plus is a good one). Once the information is loaded, your eDonkey network client then proceeds to download the file from the peer-to-peer network.

What makes these directories popular is that they contain links to television programs aired here in the US. So if you were to miss an episode of your favorite show (if you're in the US), you can simply download it and watch it. If you're not in the US, these network would be the only way for someone in a foreign country to watch an American television show. One could think of this as a poor man on-demand television network.

While the majority of these directory sites list television programs and movies, some do have listings for commercial software--such as Sharereactor.

As for whether this is legal or not, I'm not quite sure and perhaps someone else can shed some light. But the general feeling is that since they're only listing file info and not actually hosting the files themselves, it should be legal, which is why these directory sites continue to thrive on the net.

I hope I clarified this a bit for you by being not very technical.

Just visit www.bucktv.net and you'll see what I mean.

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Serena

Saturday, March 20, 2004 - 06:01

Haken, can you translate this into English for me?

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
I like the 1 show or one disk teaser idea. Perhaps a well made fan advertisement of the show on the disk as well. Make a hundred copies of em and stick them in magazines at the store. That would only cost somebody about 20 bucks worth of materials and their free time. No money wasted on postage and no government sore at you cause you were using them to deliver the product.

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Yup... definately sound like a FED.

Respectfully,
6SJ

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack

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