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Originally posted by RiveR6213:
Annakin would win because of a nasty thing he has called The Force.

-River

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Originally posted by zoid:
FMF:

The only thing I can guarantee is that one of 'em would be crying like a little girl...and it wouldn't be the little girl.

The Jedi Mind 'Trick' only works on the weak-minded (implied: those that are not in tune with their environment; 'living on the world, not in it'). Think of Jabba's grinning lackey and Jar-Jar Binkies. River is not weak-minded, and is -- if anything -- too in tune with the world. Jedi Mind Control would work all day on Jayne, never on River.

River telling Jayne that she could kill him with her brain was not so much literal, but simply her reading his fear that she might be able to. She let him believe his worst fear of her. To an extent, she is practicing JMC on him.

Light sabres are only a perfect defense against energy weapons. In KotOR, metallic swords and axes are not rendered ineffectual against light sabres in dueling situations. This may be more for gameplay purposes, however. In reality, a light sabre should slice through a metallic sword after a stroke or two, similar to the way light sabres were used to penetrate sealed ship hatches in the movies.

Slug throwers (i.e., handguns, etc.) would penetrate light sabre defense. Jayne's submachine gun (SMG) would riddle a Jedi with holes, for example. In addition to having an overwhelming rate of fire, standard projectiles do not have a tracer effect to aid the Jedi in visually tracking their trajectories. In addition, a bullet would provide at least some resistance/interference to the sabre's beam and force field, meaning that deflection shots would not work and some of the bullet's considerable momentum/inertia would be transferred to the wrists of the Jedi (because dueling Jedi can lean against one another balanced on the crossed light sabres). Thus, a simple gunpowder weapon would be more effective as an anti-Jedi weapon than even a repeating blaster. Your run-of-the-mill Hollywood theme park quick-draw artist would kill any Jedi except possibly Yoda , who's a bullet (small, rapidly evading target) himself.

Anakin's biggest advantage might be the powers referred to as Force Grip and Force Lightning. But with River's undoubted outright mind-reading abilities, she'd probably just shoot him while he was still working up his comical 'menacing look', leaving his cooling body lying in the road while she continued trying to figure out how to eat an 'ice planet', and the crew wondered aloud who that guy in the black cape was and why she felt she needed to kill him...

In conclusion, a duel between River and Anakin would be over before it even began, because River'd see him coming as soon as he disembarked his Imperial shuttle.



Forcefully,

zoid

P.S.
If there was ever any doubt, this proves that I am a Star Wars geek of at least the third order. So, when I say that I was deeply disappointed in the second 'First' Trilogy, especially with the motivations of just about every main character, it doesn't come from a 'hater'. It comes from a 'lover', spurned by George Lucas' stilted, flawed vision.
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"Fire..." -River, "Out of Gas", Firefly

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Originally posted by brooklynbrowncoat:
Joss Whedon would kick George Lucas's ass, for sure.

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Ok, here goes my attempt to defend the most awesome person to ever be thought up.....

I kind of agree with you when you say the Jedi mind trick won't work. But I really don't think guns would cause Anakin any trouble at all. The bullets, though very fast and small, could not only be detected using the force but easily swept to the side before they were even close enough to bother deflecting with the Light Saber.

Also the reflexes of Jedi like Anakin are just to amazing to let bullets hit them. Unless she took him by suprise which I doubt she could because she would be detected by the force long before she got to him.

As you said, Force Choke and Force Lightning and all other knowledge of the force would bring her down before she could pull a trigger or do anything else for that matter.

I think it all comes down to his awesome Jedi skills and the force, which people seem to underestimate.

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Originally posted by Dirtweed:


Jayne would definately get mind tricked! LOL!

Now we all know Luke is a better Jedi...

Now Yoda on the other hand would win. He would be just too cute for River to ignore and he would get in close for a hug and zap her. LOL!


Dirtweed



Shiny! I got my picture back.

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Originally posted by FlyVote:
I have an overwhelming desire to come up with some sort of fanwank to get River to win.

How 'bout this:

Anakin tries to use the force on River. River reads his mind, instantly understands fully (can I say grok here? Can I?) all that Anakin knows about the force and uses his only advantage against him. She kills him without bothering to look up from Book's shredded bible.

Then the Enterprise uses its deflector shield to... oh wait... Too much wanking.




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Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:
I grok, you grok, we all grok!

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Originally posted by msg:
Hey Number2 glad to have you here and all!! Also good thread started. You've got everyone talking. I would like to point out that the force choke might be difficult to use while bleeding from your eyes..and if River possess the same skills as the hands of blue it'd be more of a mind duel and I don't think Anakin's got the balls to go toe to toe with her.

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I don't think that River could make Anakin bleed out of his eyes without using her nails. And, less I'm mistaken (I ain't found the comic yet, so I may very well be wrong), the Blue Hands needed to use that lil' rod thingy to make folks bleed all eye-y and ear-y and nose-y like. Just a thought. River still owns Anakin by force of craziness and kick ass fighting skills, although it may well be a closer battle then I think. Unless there's a video game for it, we'll never know.

Having fun yet?

-Danny

I wanna take the Bullet,
The one aimed straight for your Heart;
I wanna meet the wolves halfway,
And let them Tear me APART,
But that's not the way they do it here...
THRICE RULES!!!!!!!!!

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Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:
I grok, you grok, we all grok!

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Round Two.

Anakin not using the force, but using any cooked pasta as a weapon, no sauce. Evil looks are OK.

River gets to shout weird stuff and throw half-eaten ice planets. And dance.

Discuss.







Edit: How old is #2? Nice post, that.



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Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:
I grok, you grok, we all grok!

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Round Two.

Anakin not using the force, but using any cooked pasta as a weapon, no sauce. Evil looks are OK.

River gets to shout weird stuff and throw half-eaten ice planets. And dance.

Discuss.



Edit: How old is #2? Nice post, that.

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#2 has attained the great age of 16! I am old, old, old, old and my children are all bigger than me now.

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Originally posted by FlyVote:
He did well with his argument. Of course he is wrong wrong wrong. But I don't hold that against him. I still say that the invasive brain tinkering done to River by the Alliance gives her the ability to absorb everything that Anakin knows, as well as his ability to manipulate the force. She becomes a Master Moonbrain Jedi. Anakin wouldn't stand a chance against a Force wielding little crazy person.

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He did well with his argument. Of course he is wrong wrong wrong. But I don't hold that against him. I still say that the invasive brain tinkering done to River by the Alliance gives her the ability to absorb everything that Anakin knows, as well as his ability to manipulate the force. She becomes a Master Moonbrain Jedi. Anakin wouldn't stand a chance against a Force wielding little crazy person.

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First off not just anyone can use the force. You have to be force sensitive in the first place to even have the potential. It's a fairly rare trait in the Star Wars Universe. So, it's unlikely that River could use the force even if she did somehow read the knowledge from Anakin. Second jedi are supposed to be highly trained individuals. Their minds are well defended usually. Now Anakin maybe not because he didn't seem too disciplined, but still I'm not so sure a jedi's mind would really be an open book to river like a regular person would be.

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Originally posted by FlyVote:
Zeek: This isn't the Star Wars universe, nor is it the Firefly 'verse. It is the FireflyFans.net 'verse. Anything goes.

If it were the SW universe, Anakin would win. River is just a mortal. She might be very well trained, but isn't a Jedi.

If it is the Firefly 'verse, River would win because there is no "Force". Even his light saber wouldn't work.

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Originally posted by msg:
Zeek I can see where you're coming from, but my main drive is that Anakin is simply too easy to manipulate. Unless the first second they see each other they begin the fight, River has a major advantage. She's able to see his intent and take defensive steps as well as plan her attack and she's likely capable of manipulating him ( since it's painfully clear a small child with a shiny toy could manipulate him) However, if the battle were instantly joined, I'd agree that Anakin would hold his own an possibly win.

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Originally posted by Zeek:
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