why am I ip-banned from this site? by OddballE8

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why am I ip-banned from this site?

POSTED BY: ODDBALLE8
UPDATED: Sunday, April 15, 2007 20:25
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Friday, April 13, 2007 2:04 AM

sure, this is probarbly a question for the admins of the site, but i had my friends contact them via e-mail but i have gotten no response...

so i just wonder... why am i ip-banned (but not "normal" banned) from this site?

ps. ill have to check back using my parents computer wich is on a 56k modem... so i wont check in often, but if anyone knows the answer (or admin needs my ip-number) just e-mail me on josefporta_2@hotmail.com ('course, admin knows my other e-mail so they can use that instead)

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Friday, April 13, 2007 2:12 AM

BROWNBUG

Are you Alliance ?

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Friday, April 13, 2007 3:20 AM

BROWNCOAT1

May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.

Quote:
Originally posted by BrownBug:
Are you Alliance ?

Maybe he's a Fox exec sent here to spy on us?

Seriously though Haken would have to answer the question of why your ip is banned. Seems to me that he is the only one with the authority to do or undo it.

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Friday, April 13, 2007 7:28 AM

KANEMAN

You are amazing. If I have never been banned from this site(I have been warned, but ever since the death of Haken....nothing), what in the world did you do? Find a way to throw shit at people through the comp.? E-mail me and show me how to do it...I have a list of peeps I want to get dirty......

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Friday, April 13, 2007 7:58 AM

CHRISISALL

Quote:
Originally posted by kaneman:
You are amazing. If I have never been banned from this site

This is no warning.
You are forthwith banned.
Do not attempt to register again.
Thank you.

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Friday, April 13, 2007 8:10 AM

YINYANG

You were busy trying to get yourself lit on fire. It happens.

I don't know. Sometimes that can just happen, I think. It might be a weird glitch, or your IPS has a problem with FFF.NET.

Or, yeah, Haken might not like you - though, as I've never seen anyone banned (just sent over to Troll Country) I doubt that.

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Friday, April 13, 2007 8:21 AM

DAVESHAYNE

Best guess is that your ISP has an inordinate amount of spambotters. Blocking the whole ISP in those cases is frequently easier than trying to close out continual attempts to spam the boards.

David

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Friday, April 13, 2007 9:53 AM

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Friday, April 13, 2007 10:10 AM

SIGMANUNKI

Last time (the only time?) a cracker came here I sent an email to Haken recommending a sub-net ban, if only until the flaw in this site was fixed. He rejected it b/c it might unintentionally ban a legitimate user. So, this type of ban isn't necessarily the case.

IMO, what's most likely to have happened is that an IP got banned. Then, since residential accounts have dynamic IP's, OddBalle8 acquired this IP after the fact.

If this site is programmed properly, there'll be a cron job (or the windows equivalent), that will nuke the ban after a reasonable period of time. Still, OddBalle8 should contact the site admin (Haken is the only listed one) to remove the IP from the ban list.

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Friday, April 13, 2007 10:29 AM

DAVESHAYNE

Quote:
Originally posted by SigmaNunki:
IMO, what's most likely to have happened is that an IP got banned. Then, since residential accounts have dynamic IP's, OddBalle8 acquired this IP after the fact.

Wouldn't that then likely alleviate itself the next time he logged on? Because of the new dynamic IP.

David

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Friday, April 13, 2007 10:38 AM

KELKHIL

Depends on how long the lease is for. We have ours set at 2 weeks where I work for DHCP IPs.

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Friday, April 13, 2007 11:03 AM

SIGMANUNKI

To add on to Kelkhil's response, I had a "dynamic" IP at my old ISP that I don't think ever changed. At least when I had a residential account.

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Friday, April 13, 2007 11:32 AM

DAVESHAYNE

Quote:
Originally posted by Kelkhil:
Depends on how long the lease is for. We have ours set at 2 weeks where I work for DHCP IPs.

I may be a bit confused regarding what exactly a dynamic IP is then. I was under the impression that they were assigned at logon from the pool of available addies. I supose an ISP could hard wire a specific IP but wouldn't that in effect make it a static IP? And don't most ISPs charge extra for that?

David

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Friday, April 13, 2007 11:57 AM

SIGMANUNKI

Quote:
Originally posted by daveshayne:

I may be a bit confused regarding what exactly a dynamic IP is then. I was under the impression that they were assigned at logon from the pool of available addies. I supose an ISP could hard wire a specific IP but wouldn't that in effect make it a static IP? And don't most ISPs charge extra for that?

From experimentation (b/c I haven't read the relevant rfc's) it seems as though when someone logs in the first time they get an IP address. Then upon next login, if the same IP is available, they get it, otherwise the user gets a new one (I know with DHCP the client can /request/ the last IP as well).

So, it really depends on how many clients an ISP has, how often the login/logout, how many IP's they have available, which protocol is used, etc.

So, even though technically you may have a dynamic IP, it may seem static.

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Friday, April 13, 2007 2:47 PM

DAVESHAYNE

Quote:
Originally posted by SigmaNunki:
So, even though technically you may have a dynamic IP, it may seem static.

Though considering all of the variables one would expect that on average it would not.

David

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Friday, April 13, 2007 6:47 PM

SIGMANUNKI

Quote:
Originally posted by daveshayne:

Though considering all of the variables one would expect that on average it would not.

Depends on the person I guess. Someone who only logs in once every couple days or so, with a popular ISP might get a new IP every time. But, someone who's computer is typically connected might seem to have a static IP. At least that theory fits with what I know about how things work (which isn't necessarily correct

).

I /could/ read the relevant rfc's to check things out. But, I'm lazy...

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Friday, April 13, 2007 7:21 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

You didn't really ban the Kaneman, didja?

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Friday, April 13, 2007 7:33 PM

SHAMELESS

Dude, if Chrisisall could do that... ::bakes hundreds of cookies for Chrisisall::

Though, honestly, my first thought was: Wait - Chrisisall didn't end with his (her?) usual " Chrisisall"! WHAT'S GOING ON?!?

Except less drastic.

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Friday, April 13, 2007 10:22 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

I thought the same thing when I saw the post. That's why I'm kinda taking it serious. That post had a much more serious tone from Chrisisall than I usually even see in RWED.

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Friday, April 13, 2007 10:56 PM

COSMICFUGITIVE

For a long while, my IP address was banned here. I had to regularly use a sneak proxy to access the site. I log into the site every day.

Originally, I thought the site had gone down, and it was the reason for the 'page cannot be displayed' message. Then, I thought it might have been the fact I had a new computer. (The incident happened when a new system had been put in.) Yet, there were short periods of time that I could access the site without the need for a sneak proxy. Although, when the computer had been switched off and used the next day, the 'block' would be in place. O.o

Currently, I don't need to use a sneak proxy to get onto the site. It's been this way for at least a month, maybe more. The issue seems to have fixed itself. I'm not technically minded, but I had been told by others in the same boat that my IP address had changed.

There are a few members out there that can't regularly access the site.

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Saturday, April 14, 2007 2:39 AM

ROBINHOOD

I've logged onto this site almost every day since April 2nd 2004, and my IP address has been banned from here for over a year now, since not long after the site was spammed almost to destruction last year.
I remember Haken saying that the database did a broad scan of pretty much all the IPs that log on to here and blocked alot of potentially dangerous ones. Unfortunately that scan also blocked alot of perfectly innocent IP addresses.
Untill it's rectified (don't hold you're breath) you'll just need to use a proxy browser, there are a good selection of them that are easy to find. Non of them work perfectly, some you can post on the forums with - but you can't download any pictures, others will but you can't login / post anything. Just pick which one works best.

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Saturday, April 14, 2007 4:41 AM

CHRISISALL

Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
You didn't really ban the Kaneman, didja?

I used all of the psychic and telekinetic power I could muster- we'll see if it holds...

Mutant Chrisisall

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Saturday, April 14, 2007 4:46 AM

CHRISISALL

Quote:
Originally posted by shameless:
Dude, if Chrisisall could do that... ::bakes hundreds of cookies for Chrisisall::

Why thank you Shameless!

I was actually hoping to put a slight scare into Kaneman, who knows if it worked. My revulsion for that turd knows no bounds.

Maybe Haken will grant our wish!!!

The vengeful Chrisisall

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Saturday, April 14, 2007 5:29 AM

KANEMAN

Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
You didn't really ban the Kaneman, didja?

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack

Six,
Kaneman=Haken.....Chrisisall=MonkeyShit

Did you really think that nutter could ban me?

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Saturday, April 14, 2007 5:34 AM

KANEMAN

Quote:
Originally posted by shameless:
Dude, if Chrisisall could do that... ::bakes hundreds of cookies for Chrisisall::

Though, honestly, my first thought was: Wait - Chrisisall didn't end with his (her?) usual " Chrisisall"! WHAT'S GOING ON?!?

Except less drastic.

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RPG launcher bought in third world country illegally - $10
Landmines - $50 per
Attack/track dogs bred 1st class - $250-500 per
Highpowered assault rifles - $600 per
The look on your face when I show up on your doorstep with a bigfoot - ... Priceless

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Can't stop the signal."
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I am So offended, you are shameless! You should thank your lucky stars that I like to masturbate to your pics in the pic thread, otherwise I would verbally abuse you 'till your vagina feel off........now go lay on the floor and take some more pics you nutcase.

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Saturday, April 14, 2007 1:38 PM

ASARIAN

Quote:
Originally posted by daveshayne:
Quote:
Originally posted by Kelkhil:
Depends on how long the lease is for. We have ours set at 2 weeks where I work for DHCP IPs.

I may be a bit confused regarding what exactly a dynamic IP is then. I was under the impression that they were assigned at logon from the pool of available addies. I supose an ISP could hard wire a specific IP but wouldn't that in effect make it a static IP? And don't most ISPs charge extra for that?

There seems to be some confusion as to what a dynamic IP address is. Or a static one, for that matter. A common misconception is the belief that IP addresses given out by an ISP's DHCP server, are dynamic. Or that, if the lease is very long, that they've become, de facto, static. None of that is true, though. A dynamic IP address, or "dynamic IP space", rather, is simply this: netblock(s) that your ISP has marked as "dynamic" with, say, ARIN (American Registry for Internet Numbers).

ARIN is one of five RIRs (Regional Internet Registries). The others are: RIPE, AfriNIC, APNIC, and LACNIC. If your ISP gives you a static IP address, it would be from a netblock they marked as "static" with their RIR. That IP address could even change, and in its behavior appear dynamic, yet would still be considered static when it would be from a netblocked they marked as "static" (they're not gonna give you a changing IP address, of course; but just to make the point).

Naturally, no site would EVER block your IP address for merely being dynamic. Otherwise soon nobody would be able to surf the web any more. :) Blocking dynamic IP space, in practice, is ONLY done when servers receive mail from those addresses: because mail is not supposed to come from a dynamic IP address, as you're supposed to use your ISP's SMTP server.

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Saturday, April 14, 2007 2:44 PM

SIGMANUNKI

Quote:
Originally posted by asarian:

If your ISP gives you a static IP address, it would be from a netblock they marked as "static" with their RIR. That IP address could even change, and in its behavior appear dynamic, yet would still be considered static when it would be from a netblocked they marked as "static" (they're not gonna give you a changing IP address, of course; but just to make the point).

I'm sorry, but I just don't buy that. Calling a certain batch of IP's dynamic and another batch static but having them behave the same is absolutely ludicrous. There is a reason why things are given different names. Once you got an IP, you got it (geographical/changing ISP limitations not withstanding).

Of course, this doesn't take into account the dumbasses that are known as business men. They can cause... difficulty (one of my buddies had to deal with this at one point).

But seriously. If static and dynamic IP's didn't have standard accepted meanings, the internet would fall apart.

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Sunday, April 15, 2007 1:45 AM

ASARIAN

Quote:
Originally posted by SigmaNunki:

Quote:
Originally posted by asarian:

If your ISP gives you a static IP address, it would be from a netblock they marked as "static" with their RIR. That IP address could even change, and in its behavior appear dynamic, yet would still be considered static when it would be from a netblocked they marked as "static" (they're not gonna give you a changing IP address, of course; but just to make the point).

I'm sorry, but I just don't buy that. Calling a certain batch of IP's dynamic and another batch static but having them behave the same is absolutely ludicrous.

You may not buy it, but way it is is the way it is. If an ISP tells their RIR: "This and that netblock we designate our dynamic IP pool," then any IP address in that range is considered dynamic. And, conversely, "static" when it's in the range for which your ISP has said: "This batch we call static." ISPs just buy netblocks; and it's really up to them to reserve which space for which.

And, like I said, the behavior of the IP address, or whether it's given out by DHCP or no, it matters none. When you approach your ISP for a static IP address, they will give you one from their "static" pool. For pratical reasons, it doesn't change; but that's not what makes it static: many dynamic IP addresses never change either, and yet they're still every bit as dynamic as if you were to get a new IP address every day.

Quote:

There is a reason why things are given different names.

Yes; it's just not the reason you're thinking. :)

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Sunday, April 15, 2007 3:00 AM

LEADB

One "clarification" to the above.

Dynamic IP: The provider reserves the right, at their sole whim, the next time your ip expires, to give you any old IP they wish. If it changes from time to time, you cannot give them a hard time. (Or more exactly, they will not be sympathetic if you do.) If it happens to be the same from time to time, who cares?

Static IP: The provider agrees the IP is yours as long as you keep paying for it. If they assign it to someone else, you can not only give them a hard time, but possibly get service fee re-imbursement for having failed to live up to their end of the contract. Actually, there may even be penalties in the contract to the server provider that excede simple service fee re-imbursement.

I have dynamic IP. I've had the same IP for about 18 months now. I only know this because I keep notes when I have problems; and recently when having a problem noticed it had not changed in that long. Actually, I might have had the same IP even longer.

One "trick" the provider can pull is this: If they notice you are doing a "unusually" large amount of traffic; and they notice you are playing server rather than client; they might be tempted to jerk your IP around to get you to pony up for the static IP (which generally they charge a few buck more for).

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Sunday, April 15, 2007 7:43 AM

ODDBALLE8

well... it seems i can still check in on you guys every now and then if i use a proxy browser... so thats how it will work now then... until something is done about this...

/Oddball_E8

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Sunday, April 15, 2007 11:02 AM

CITIZEN

Or you can type in ipconfig /release then ipconfig /renew at the windows command console.

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Sunday, April 15, 2007 11:07 AM

LEADB

Unfotunately, he's very likely to get back the same IP he previously had. See the discussions above about dynamic IP and how with some service providers dynamic isn't very.

Additionally, if he has a firewall-router between his box and the internet (strongly recommended), he would need to take that action on the router box.

Of course... if he doesn't... he could do
ipconfig
, make a notation of his current IP Address then try the release then renew; run ipconfig again to see what he gets; but if he gets the same IP back after that, there's a high probability he'd have to take some pretty extraordinary measures to "force" a different IP (probably involves staying off the ip service provider for a week or two). Even then, if there's not a lot of "thrash" on the subnet, he could still end up with the same IP. On the flip side, if it works, it might knock him free of the block. So... worth a try.

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Sunday, April 15, 2007 11:27 AM

CITIZEN

Quote:
Originally posted by leadb:
Unfotunately, he's very likely to get back the same IP he previously had. See the discussions above about dynamic IP and how with some service providers dynamic isn't very.

Additionally, if he has a firewall-router between his box and the internet (strongly recommended), he would need to take that action on the router box.

I know, but there's ways around that. And if they're using a mac, linux, solaris, QNX, BE, an older version of windows or a hundred different other things the solution will be different I was just saying what the most likely fix could be. Since most people have computers directly connected running XP that's probably ipconfig. The simplest thing would be too release the ip, wait an hour or two then renew it, since by then chances are someone else will have picked up the ip.

The problem is that the whole range has probably been blocked, which means it's most likely that he won't be able to recieve a useable ip.

As for me my DNS has suddenly gone bandy so I can't surf the web, except for sites like this where I have the IP saved in the hosts file.

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Sunday, April 15, 2007 8:25 PM

SIGMANUNKI

Quote:
Originally posted by asarian:

You may not buy it, but way it is is the way it is. If an ISP tells their RIR: "This and that netblock we designate our dynamic IP pool," then any IP address in that range is considered dynamic. And, conversely, "static" when it's in the range for which your ISP has said: "This batch we call static." ISPs just buy netblocks; and it's really up to them to reserve which space for which.

No offense, but this part of your reply tells me that you didn't really read mine i.e. I wasn't disagreeing with this particular point. Though you haven't given us a citation either.

Quote:
Originally posted by asarian:

And, like I said, the behavior of the IP address, or whether it's given out by DHCP or no, it matters none. For pratical reasons, it doesn't change; but that's not what makes it static:

Why you bring the deliver method up is beyond me as it is immaterial to this discussion.

Quote:
Originally posted by asarian:

many dynamic IP addresses never change either, and yet they're still every bit as dynamic as if you were to get a new IP address every day.

I stated this above as well. But, you seem to be assuming here that the dynamic address that are appearing static are static by design of the ISP. This is not necessarily the case as there are many other reasons why a dynamic address might appear static. I covered a few further up in the thread.

Quote:
Originally posted by asarian:

Quote:

There is a reason why things are given different names.

Yes; it's just not the reason you're thinking. :)

Don't be an ass. And don't think that I'm going to take your word on it at face value. Because, at least I've used logic/experience in my analysis above. You've only provided your word. Again, citations.

Let's look at what a major ISP says what a static IP is:

http://www.sprint.com/business/help/help9.html
"""
Static IP Address Definition
A static IP address means your computer uses the same address every time you log on to the Internet.
...
"""

Similarly here:
http://searchwebservices.techtarget.com/sDefinition/0,,sid26_gci520967
,00.html

Here:

http://www.answers.com/topic/ip-address

Here:

http://www.techterms.org/definition/ipaddress

And here:

http://www.pcmag.com/encyclopedia_term/0,2542,t=static+IP+address&i=52
039,00.asp

Though there are sure to be many more citations that I can post.

The fact of the matter is that everyone has already agreed that static ip's do _not_ change, period (save business man

ups), and dynamic ones can (though practically the lifetime of the IP can be long).

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