Browncoat Bar & Grill - Me, Myself and the number known as 'i' by Nicodemus

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.

*pounce!*

I may not understand the number joke (well, I sort of recal something about the number i, but it's been more than 5 years since I had a math class, so ya know...) but I got firsties!

Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so.
A troll's hair is still pointy, even when it's wearing a hat.

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Wednesday, May 30, 2007 4:22 AM

ODDSBODSKINS

HAHA! Neat title xD

Gratz on firsties PR

They may think their sins are original, but for the most part they are petty and repetitive.

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Wednesday, May 30, 2007 4:24 AM

Darn it..you moved it while I was typing

OK hey now wait a minute...I have dibs on Rose's purple top!!! I know I'm not in the room, but I think I'm just down the hall and I am so there for the clothing fight!!! I shall bring my bestest jewelry and shoes to add to the fray...oh and my super cute floaty jacket ( which I think will look smashing on rose ) and this floaty black and white top for Magda and many other items...we are going to have entirely too much fun. We're all going to have to just get an apartment and live there...you do know that right???

Oh and a diet coke and some duck feed please. I have to go trap some ducks and move them ( they got into the enclosed courtyard that has no water and we have to move Mama and 10 baby ducklings back to the pond area so they don't die.

"I'm not all that interested in the mental health of people who want to kill me. "- Leroy Jethro Gibbs

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Wednesday, May 30, 2007 4:25 AM

ODDSBODSKINS

As for the schooling level of 'i', I can't speak for America, in Scotland it's the last year of school, but in Scotland the last year of school is pretty blurred with the first year of uni (traditional degree's tend to be a year longer) and they cover largely the same syllabus, just in more depth at Uni. Or less depth, depending on the Uni.

They may think their sins are original, but for the most part they are petty and repetitive.

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Wednesday, May 30, 2007 4:30 AM

"i" before "e", except after "c"

*grabs a Labatt out of the fridge*

Kelkhil

The Shirtless Bartender

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Wednesday, May 30, 2007 4:31 AM

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.

Oooooh, I love floaty jackets!

Quote:
Originally posted by Oddsbodskins:
As for the schooling level of 'i', I can't speak for America, in Scotland it's the last year of school, but in Scotland the last year of school is pretty blurred with the first year of uni...

*Ahem* Yes, well...

I never got to the last year of high school. I snapped, dropped out, and got my GED when I was sixteen.
As for math, I barely passed Algebra, didn't pass Geometry on the first try (got a B my second try) and forgot everything I had learned in barely passing those classes in the years that came between, as evidenced by my acuplacer tests for college, which put me a few steps below college-level algebra and didn't even try to test me on anything higher.
I have to take two math classes before I can even take the course required for my degree

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Wednesday, May 30, 2007 4:32 AM

NICODEMUS

Quote:
Originally posted by msg:
Darn it..you moved it while I was typing

OK hey now wait a minute...I have dibs on Rose's purple top!!! I know I'm not in the room, but I think I'm just down the hall and I am so there for the clothing fight!!! I shall bring my bestest jewelry and shoes to add to the fray...oh and my super cute floaty jacket ( which I think will look smashing on rose ) and this floaty black and white top for Magda and many other items...we are going to have entirely too much fun. We're all going to have to just get an apartment and live there...you do know that right???

So will everyone taking part in the fight have the "ante up" before they can take part?

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Wednesday, May 30, 2007 4:34 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Nicodemus:

So will everyone taking part in the fight have the "ante up" before they can take part?

Oh...Oh...Oh... *raises hand*

I vote that they have to come in wearing what they are fighting for and be able to leave with it! No clothes barred....hehehehehehehehe!

Kelkhil

The Shirtless Forsaken

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Wednesday, May 30, 2007 4:37 AM

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.

Quote:
Originally posted by Kelkhil:
"i" before "e", except after "c"

Or when sounded like A as in neighbor and weigh.

Or in weird, caffeine, or deceive (and those are just the ones I remember/have noticed)

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Wednesday, May 30, 2007 4:38 AM

Yay for i! :) I think I learned about it in the 9th or 10th grade.

Rose, my offer still stands, whenever you get around to taking said classes. I heart math.

MsG - I'll jsut make sure there is plenty of closet space in the liveable Firefly I build, so y'all can all come and live and hang out with other Browncoats all the time.

EDIT:
caffeine and deceive both fit in the 'except after c' category.

*thinks about the spelling rule in mathematical terms and sniggers to himself*

~jimi

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Wednesday, May 30, 2007 4:40 AM

ODDSBODSKINS

Could be worse PR, you got a B out of it all somewhere, I flunked my last two years with a steady selection of C's, and one B in maths, but then, I had a tutor for maths, so it was kinda not entirely my work.

They may think their sins are original, but for the most part they are petty and repetitive.

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Wednesday, May 30, 2007 4:43 AM

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.

Heh, thanks Jimi. I'm sure I'll have questions for you (and hope I can understand your answers) but I'll try not to bore you too much with Math 060, which is what I'll be taking this fall.

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Wednesday, May 30, 2007 4:46 AM

I am pretty good at explaining things in a way that can be understood (I probably could have been a teacher if I had really wanted to).

~jimi

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Wednesday, May 30, 2007 4:48 AM

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.

Quote:
Originally posted by RiverIsMyGoddess:

EDIT:
caffeine and deceive both fit in the 'except after c' category.

Eeehhhhh, you're right about the deceive one. Smart me. But caffeine, not so much. There's a c in it, but it's not right before the 'ei', which is how I learned the rule. Unless I'm wrong on that...
*tries to think of another word starting with c that has an ei in it that's not directly after a c*

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Wednesday, May 30, 2007 4:59 AM

I was kinda being silly with caffeine.

~jimi

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Wednesday, May 30, 2007 5:02 AM

Rose- hey maths isn't everyone's strong suit, but I'm guessing you had not such great teachers...HUGS it'll get better:)

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Wednesday, May 30, 2007 5:03 AM

LITTLEALBATROSS29

PR....I just keep thinking C is for cookie..that's good enough for me !

My brain hurts from all this thinking going on here ....

Yeti...we must cure that immediately !!!

LA heads off to the smoking room dragging RIMG with her

Edit : Hi MSG !!!

Bryce
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Oh, no, baby, no. You're not going to die. They are. Cover your ears. Hey, should we get a dog?

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Wednesday, May 30, 2007 5:03 AM

*waits for PR's head to explode*

Kelkhil

The Shirtless Forsaken

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Wednesday, May 30, 2007 5:06 AM

MAVOURNEEN

Quote:
Originally posted by PhoenixRose:
*tries to think of another word starting with c that has an ei in it that's not directly after a c*

canoeing

codeine

(Sorry, trying desperately to wish the pile of orders on my desk would burst into flames...sigh. Back to work.)

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Wednesday, May 30, 2007 5:06 AM

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.

Well fine! You be silly then!

*edit* Wow! Missed lotsa posts! My first math teacher was okay, actually. But yeah, then I had some bad ones.

Kel, I'm thinking about language, so my head is not likely to explode.

canoe to canoeing makes grammatical sense....

*ponders on codeine*

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Wednesday, May 30, 2007 5:11 AM

NICODEMUS

Grammar(ish) question: Why do people feel the need to go all cockney when talking about herbs, or herbalism? The H is there to be pronounced aloud, not dropped like one of Badger's apple peels.

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Wednesday, May 30, 2007 5:15 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Nicodemus:
Grammar(ish) question: Why do people feel the need to go all cockney when talking about herbs, or herbalism? The H is there to be pronounced aloud, not dropped like one of Badger's apple peels.

From a google search:

"The word herb, which can be pronounced with or without the (h), is one of a number of words borrowed into English from French. The (h) sound had been lost in Latin and was not pronounced in French or the other Romance languages, which are descended from Latin, although it was retained in the spelling of some words. In both Old and Middle English, however, h was generally pronounced, as in the native English words happy and hot. Through the influence of spelling, then, the h came to be pronounced in most words borrowed from French, such as haste and hostel. In a few other words borrowed from French the h has remained silent, as in honor, honest, hour, and heir. And in another small group of French loan words, including herb, humble, human, and humor, the h may or may not be pronounced depending on the dialect of English. In British English, herb and its derivatives, such as herbaceous, herbal, herbicide, and herbivore, are pronounced with h. In American English, herb and herbal are more often pronounced without the h, while the opposite is true of herbaceous, herbicide, and herbivore, which are more often pronounced with the h."

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Wednesday, May 30, 2007 5:19 AM

I don't get along with math, we fell out a long time ago.

Hello everyone.

Barkeep, a 7 & 7 please.

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Wednesday, May 30, 2007 5:20 AM

NICODEMUS

Thank you. I feel enlightened now.

But it won't stop me wincing when I hear the H dropped from the 'loan words'.

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Wednesday, May 30, 2007 5:23 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by zerokiryu:
I don't get along with math, we fell out a long time ago.

Barkeep, a 7 & 7 please.

That would be 14. You're welcome.

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Wednesday, May 30, 2007 5:25 AM

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.

Quote:
Originally posted by FlyVote:
In American English, herb and herbal are more often pronounced without the h, while the opposite is true of herbaceous, herbicide, and herbivore, which are more often pronounced with the h."

I've never heard any of those pronounced with the h in my little scrap of the world...

Good explination, though.

Quote:
Originally posted by Nicodemus:
But it won't stop me wincing when I hear the H dropped from the 'loan words'.

Funny, I wince when it IS pronounced

Same way I wince a little when people say "acrosst". Really, what is up with that? And "warsh". Where do these extra sounds come from???

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Wednesday, May 30, 2007 5:33 AM

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Originally posted by PhoenixRose:
Same way I wince a little when people say "acrosst". Really, what is up with that? And "warsh". Where do these extra sounds come from???

Libary.

Aaaaaaaarrrrrggghhh.

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Wednesday, May 30, 2007 5:38 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by FlyVote:
Quote:
Originally posted by PhoenixRose:
Same way I wince a little when people say "acrosst". Really, what is up with that? And "warsh". Where do these extra sounds come from???

Libary.

Aaaaaaaarrrrrggghhh.

Replying to ME. Cuz I forgot ax. "Did you ax that question?"

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Wednesday, May 30, 2007 5:38 AM

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.

*twitch* Indeed.

How about the misconjugation of 'see'?

"I seen this yesterday, and..."

Arg! No! You saw it or you have seen it! Why?? Why, when language is something you use and hear EVERY DAY?

(Not surprisingly, I did easily test into college-level English

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Wednesday, May 30, 2007 5:41 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by PhoenixRose:
How about the misconjugation of 'see'?

I don't sea what you mean.

(*snort*)

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Wednesday, May 30, 2007 5:43 AM

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.

*snickersnicker* You know, puns are supposedly the lowest form of humor... *continues to chuckle to herself*

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Wednesday, May 30, 2007 5:51 AM

Really? I thought "Knock, Knock" Jokes were.

My daughter used to do the Banana one (that ends in orange you glad I didn't say banana) but would always forget the orange and just laugh everytime she said banana.

Kelkhil

The Shirtless Forsaken

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Wednesday, May 30, 2007 6:06 AM

EMMARIGBY

Gosh! Has it hit the chattiest time of day or something? And just when I'm about to head home too! Typical.

Enjoy the grammar/ maths discussions most intellectual of people. Try not to rip each others clothes off, at least not until I get back to watch!

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Hissssssssss!

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Wednesday, May 30, 2007 6:15 AM

People axing me a question always irks me. I like to make some kind of remark about chopping down trees and completely ignore what they axed me.

I think folks are just lazy, and the language suffers for it.

hehehehehe:

Now I just wanna talk quickly about language, and then we can all go. Yeah, language. They do say Britain and America are two countries separated by the Atlantic Ocean, and it’s true. No, they say, “two countries separated by a common language,” that’s the line; it’s an Oscar Wilde line, I think. And we do pronounce things in a different way, like you say “caterpillar” and we say “caterpillar,” and… You say “aluminum” and we say “aluminium.” You say, “centrifugal” and we say “centrifugal.” You say, “leisure” and we say “lizuray.” You say “baysil” and we say “bahsil.” You say “’erbs” and we say “herbs,” because there’s a f*cking “H” in it... But you spell through THRU, and I’m with you on that, ‘cause we spell it “THRUFF,” and that’s trying to cheat at Scrabble.
“How can we get that “OU” sound?”
“Well, a “U” will work,”
“What about an “O” as well?”
“We don’t need it, we’re fine.”
“No, I think an “O” in.”
“Well, all right.”
“And a “G” as well.”
“What?!”
“Yes, a “G” would be good. We need a silent “G” in the background, in case of any accidents or something.”
“Well, all right.”
“And an “H” as well.”
“F*cking ‘ell! Hang on.”
“An “H” in case some herbs come along.”
“All right…”
“And a P, and a Q, and a Z(ed) ... Look it’s a word in Scrabble that’s 480 points!”

~jimi

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Wednesday, May 30, 2007 6:22 AM

I need something strong, got a feeling I'm gonna be fighting soon.

*MumblemumbleBitchasspunkmumblemumble*

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Wednesday, May 30, 2007 6:57 AM

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.

Quote:
Originally posted by RiverIsMyGoddess:
You say “’erbs” and we say “herbs,” because there’s a f*cking “H” in it...

....

“F*cking ‘ell! Hang on.”

Am I the only one sees the irony in this?

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Wednesday, May 30, 2007 7:01 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by PhoenixRose:
Am I the only one sees the irony in this?

*wipes the tears from his eyes*

No you just stopped laughing first.

Kelkhil

The Shirtless Forsaken

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Wednesday, May 30, 2007 7:11 AM

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.

Quote:
Originally posted by RiverIsMyGoddess:
Z(ed)

I also wonder what genius decided to call it Zed. Had an argument with Magda about the illogic of it. Why make half the letters in the alphabet end in a long 'ee' sound, and then end it with 'Zed'? Everyone knows it's easier to remember things that rhyme, that's why so many things are set to rhyme. It's also just more pleasing to the ear, I think. She didn't agree. She accused American English of being dictated by 'Sesame Street'. But I ask you, what's wrong with that?

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Wednesday, May 30, 2007 7:38 AM

*Walks into the breakables room*

*Walks out feeling slightly better*

Some of you are older than me, so tell me, do family troubles ever end?

Is there really such a thing as a "Happy family".

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Wednesday, May 30, 2007 7:49 AM

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.

No, not entirely and no, not entirely.
My family got a lot happier once I turned 21 and my dad no longer felt any obligation to try to 'raise me' which he'd fought with a lot. That eased a lot of the tension. I had also made the choice several years previous that I was going to have minimal contact with his side of the family, which also helped. A lot of lingering financial tension when it comes to my mom has been eased lately (which is odd, as I'm not working right now) and the issues we had when I was a teenager eased because, well, I'm not a teenager anymore. I can admit that.
But it would be dumb of me to say there's never a clash and never a problem. It will get better as you get older, though. My theory is that, since the issue of who needs to control who fades away, a lot of tension fades with it.

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Wednesday, May 30, 2007 7:52 AM

hmm see I always ponder the English spelling like Honour and colour and theatre and I could go on and on:)

"I'm not all that interested in the mental health of people who want to kill me. "- Leroy Jethro Gibbs

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Wednesday, May 30, 2007 7:56 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by PhoenixRose:
It will get better as you get older, though.

Thanks, well, at least it will get better.

Actually, anything is better than now.

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Wednesday, May 30, 2007 7:57 AM

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.

Quote:
Originally posted by msg:
hmm see I always ponder the English spelling like Honour and colour and theatre and I could go on and on:)

Hehehehe, the one that really got me the first time I saw it was 'loured' (for those Americans like me who are totally confused, it's how they spell 'lowered')
There's also a thread somewhere (I think Blue Sun Forum) where the different meanings/usages of words like 'suspenders', 'braces', 'quite', 'fanny', 'thongs' etc are discussed

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Wednesday, May 30, 2007 8:16 AM

Well it can be confusing....fanny in America means bum and it most certainly does NOT mean that in the UK which can land you in some conversationally awkward spots...eg she landed on her fanny.

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Wednesday, May 30, 2007 8:51 AM

People actually say "fanny" still?

*retrieves a Labatt from the fridge and sits in the hammock*

Kelkhil

The Shirtless Forsaken

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Wednesday, May 30, 2007 11:09 AM

WHIMSICALNBRAINPAN

*grabs a double shot of bourbon and says "fanny" to Kelkhil*

Cool! When did we get hammocks?

"Well, my days of not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle." http://whimsicalnbrainpan.blogspot.com/

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Wednesday, May 30, 2007 11:14 AM

NVGHOSTRIDER

(Giggles at the mention of "fanny")

Heya Whims.

Seems I could use a drink but can't decide on what.

LIBERTAS SUMPTUS

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Wednesday, May 30, 2007 11:15 AM