Browncoat Bar & Grill - Fun with Riddles by RiverIsMyGoddess

I believe, mainly in how much I hate people, which is a very broad statement born out of work frustraion rather than fact. Going out to the beer garden to get away from it all.

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Tuesday, June 5, 2007 2:02 AM

PENGUIN

All this "logic" talk is making my head spin!

I say kick one into the engine to loosen the lips of the other one!

Barkeep! A coke on the rocks, and whatever the ladies want!

King of the Mythical Land that is Iowa

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Tuesday, June 5, 2007 2:10 AM

* gets Penguin his ice-cold Coke *

mornin' sir, how are you today?

Hehehehehe, I am tempted to "prove" that 0.9999 on out to infinity actually equals 1, just to see whose head explodes first.

~jimi

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Tuesday, June 5, 2007 2:16 AM

The sad thing is I'd like to see the proof of that Jimi!

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Tuesday, June 5, 2007 2:19 AM

PENGUIN

Quote:
Originally posted by RiverIsMyGoddess:
* gets Penguin his ice-cold Coke *

mornin' sir, how are you today?

Alive and breathing...a great way to start the day! lol

King of the Mythical Land that is Iowa

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Tuesday, June 5, 2007 2:20 AM

Ok, well assume it's true:

1 = 0.99999 ...

Then multiply by 100:

100 = 99.99999

subtracting, we get:

100 = 99.99999
- 1 = 0.99999
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99 = 99.0

Which reduces to 1 = 1, so it must be true.

The "proof" of 1=2 is fun too.

~jimi

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Tuesday, June 5, 2007 2:23 AM

That is always good to hear Penguin

~jimi

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Tuesday, June 5, 2007 3:03 AM

the only proof I remember is 1 + 1 = a window but that's just me

all makes sense so far, although dangerously close to proving that black is white and the known consequences of that little diduction!

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Tuesday, June 5, 2007 3:15 AM

Can you find the fallacious step? :

Step 1: Let a = b.

Step 2: Then a² = ab,

Step 3: a² + a² = a² + ab,

Step 4: 2a² = a² + ab,

Step 5: 2a² - 2ab = a² + ab - 2ab,

Step 6: and 2a² - 2ab = a² - ab.

Step 7: This can be written as 2(a² - ab) = 1(a² - ab),

Step 8: and cancelling the (a² - ab) from both sides gives 2 = 1.

Anyone's brain go 'splodey yet?

~jimi

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Tuesday, June 5, 2007 3:33 AM

I call step 6 fallacious, and a poo head as well

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Tuesday, June 5, 2007 3:41 AM

Nope, all step 6 does is combine ab - 2ab into -ab.

~jimi

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Tuesday, June 5, 2007 3:41 AM

FLYVOTE

Quote:
Originally posted by gee:
I call step 6 fallacious, and a poo head as well

Oh, "fallacious". I misread that at first...

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Tuesday, June 5, 2007 3:46 AM

see this is why I hated pure maths as you can't apply it to something and so whilst you say that and it makes perfect sense, I don't see it until someone points it out.

I'm not sure how 1(a2-ab) is different to a2-ab and you don't need it to council it out on both sides or do you, argh, see this is why I did lousy at a level maths, too much of this and not enough mechanics modules (physics).

I maintain step 6 is a poo head however

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Tuesday, June 5, 2007 3:58 AM

mornin' Fly. LOL

Gee - I am with you, the stuff needs actual application (it's why I am an engineer and not a mathematician). I still maintain that step 6 is just combining two like terms left from step 5, and the reason for the 1(a² - ab) in step 7 is to show the cancellation, just so you can be sure to understand the flow. To find the fallacious one, look at what is done between the steps to get to the next one instead of the steps themselves, then ask yourself if that is a valid mathematical operation.

~jimi

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Tuesday, June 5, 2007 4:30 AM

HELL'S KITTEN

*appears*

Stop it.

As much as I love Teh Maths, you're killing the thread. (Remind me to show you this one proof I adore...! it's so fun! um, later...)

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Tuesday, June 5, 2007 4:33 AM

You can PM it to me Kitten.

If someone wants to come in and post about something that is not maths, they are more than welcome to. It's not like it's stopped anyone before form coming in and completely changing the subject.

I know what we need: SHOTS!

~jimi

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Tuesday, June 5, 2007 4:38 AM

lol, I think we might have scared the others away!

I agreed with you on step 6 from teh moment you wrote it and was just being difficult because I wanted too about it being a poo head.

The step 7 query is again me being difficult, stems from an arguement with my maths teacher as I saw a lot of this as showing off with numbers rather than something practical that could be applied to real numbers and whilst I enjoy this stuff to a point, I like to be able fit it into an application.

So my theory is step 5 is fallacious for introducing random subtrations for no apparent theory.

Enough of the maths (let me know by pm as I still want to know!), let see if we can entice the others back, anyone want to throw a ball round in the beer garden, or mayber some skinny dipping in the river?

EDIT: and is if by magic a ninja feline appears to lead us onto pastures new

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Tuesday, June 5, 2007 4:44 AM

I'll just post and be done with it, in case any lurkers care about it. The final step is fallacious, as you remove (a² - ab) from both sides, but from Step 2 it can be seen that it equals zero. Basically the proof says 2x0 = 1x0, then it divides out the zeros, which is impossible, because you cannot divide by zero.

*pours lava lamp shots and several pints of Guinness, leaves out a cold Labatts' for Kel, shines up a few Dews for the Kitten and leaves them in the shadows, and makes a big bowl of Bailey's and ice cream*

~jimi

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Tuesday, June 5, 2007 5:55 AM

*Walks in, plugs ears, and hums until the bad maths go away*

LA LA LA LAAAA

*Not watching where he is going, trips over a chair*

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Tuesday, June 5, 2007 6:19 AM

hey zero.

*makes him a 7 & 7*

We're playing "drink until the maths make sense". Wanna join in?

~jimi

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Tuesday, June 5, 2007 6:24 AM

ohh, how that sounds like fun!

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Tuesday, June 5, 2007 6:29 AM

Sure, I'll play.

*Does a shot*
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.....It isn't helping.....

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Tuesday, June 5, 2007 6:32 AM

Oh, it's gonna take way more than one shot...

*programs the barbot with a list of tasty shots and drinks, then heads of downstairs to the tester, grabbing a large bottle of jameson to keep him company*

~jimi

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Tuesday, June 5, 2007 6:36 AM

any chance of some whiskey sours to help the maths?

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Tuesday, June 5, 2007 6:48 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by RiverIsMyGoddess:
Oh, it's gonna take way more than one shot...

OK!!!!!

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Tuesday, June 5, 2007 7:36 AM

OK this is Mr. Jensen whom you all so generously emailed. He wanted to reply
Here it is.

Hello my Fire Fly friends.

I have now finished my investigation of the Fire Fly content and have come to some very concrete conclusions. I will get to them at some point, but in reading this thread, I hope you do not mind, I can understand why you discuss such random things.... YOUR SHOW HAS BEEN CANCELED!! You are out of things to discuss about Mel, Wash, Jane... Even my favorite character, Saffron. They are in effect dead *traces cross over heart in memory of Wash*...

MSG here has turned to discussing episodes that have never even been made and I catch her trying to slip in facts about Fire FLy that only exsist in her head. I origanally belived that there were 27 episodes and now after my research, I realize there are only 13. You should ask MSG to share with you her imaginary 14 episodes. They are rather fantastic.

Ok back to my study of the Fire FLy phenomenon... It is truely a well made series. The episode lost in space felt very Stanely Kubric with the director letting us feel River's experience as she walked around Serenity. She would observe a conversation and in that, we would see the thoughts jump out of the people who she was observing as she was reading their thoughts. Fire Fly is a well done producion.

So this brings me to the question that I can not solve... There are many great series... Star Trek, Star Gate/Atlantas, and many others... I still do not understand this... Why do people still worship this canceled series?

I mean I really enjoyed the shows and may even concider it one of the best Sci Fi series I have seen on TV, but what do you expect will happen from here.

Are you all making up pretend episodes like MSG here?

Do you really want to see older vesions of your favorite characters running around with canes and missing teeth?

Where does it go from here...?

I truly wish you the best, but I worry for the sanity of my dear friend MSG. She really needs to let go...

/thoughts

OK it's me again and yes he's crazy...love you guys

"I'm not all that interested in the mental health of people who want to kill me. "- Leroy Jethro Gibbs

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Tuesday, June 5, 2007 7:38 AM

I just checked it out on google, saw it (the proof explained) written in another way and now a happy man.

Of course it might be because I am no longer at work and can think properly!

best cure that, more shots!

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Tuesday, June 5, 2007 7:41 AM

FLYVOTE

Quote:
Originally posted by msg:

MSG - Can I be in your head? Sounds like a wonderful place. I say that in all seriousness.

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Tuesday, June 5, 2007 7:52 AM

HUGS-he's just teasing me as I tried to explain my theories about River and Simon and he's claiming facts not in evidence and that I'm getting all this stuff from imaginary episodes:)

"I'm not all that interested in the mental health of people who want to kill me. "- Leroy Jethro Gibbs

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Tuesday, June 5, 2007 8:00 AM

FLYVOTE

Quote:
Originally posted by msg:
HUGS-he's just teasing me as I tried to explain my theories about River and Simon and he's claiming facts not in evidence and that I'm getting all this stuff from imaginary episodes:)

But that isn't necessarily a bad thing.

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Tuesday, June 5, 2007 8:14 AM

PHOENIXROSE

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.

Quote:
Originally posted by Misstressahara:
Nope, makes no sense. It still determines on knowing which is the liar and which tells the truth

No, actually, it doesn't. You trick a 'truthful' answer out of the liar with a double question. I doesn't matter if you know which one is the liar or not, they will both give you a truthful answer to that question, and you'll then know which road to take.
Okay, so say road A is the right way and road B is the wrong way. You ask person A "If I asked you if this road led to such and such, would you tell me yes?" and, whether it's the lair or the truth-tell, he will say "Yes." You ask person B "If I asked you if this road led to such and such, would you tell me yes?" and again, whether it's the liar or the truth tell, he will say "No." The question tricks the liar so you don't have to work out which is which.
*skips over the math things*
I feel like crap today. I slept several hours later than usual and my head is still pounding. I sat in the sun and read for awhile, and took my vitamins, so I feel a little better, but I think I'm just going to stay in a hammock by the fire today.
And we still worship Firefly because it's better than all other shows still on, and also the community is full of the shiniest folk ever, so there

Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so.
A troll's hair is still pointy, even when it's wearing a hat.

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Tuesday, June 5, 2007 12:09 PM

That's exactly what I said Rose ( seriously word for word) LOL HUGS and I hope you feel better darlin

OK off for the night and I hope all is well

"I'm not all that interested in the mental health of people who want to kill me. "- Leroy Jethro Gibbs

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Tuesday, June 5, 2007 1:27 PM

NICODEMUS

Good morning folks. It's yet another cold, miserable day outside (which means my walk to the gym can be counted as the initial cardio session).

I haven't been on much lately because our house got invaded by ants, who conspired with the weather to turn the mortar holding a brick wall together, into sand. As a result, part of the house looks like it's ready to collapse outwards with minimal provocation. Given that it's now winter, and we get strong winds more often than PirateNews posts in RWED, we may have a pile of rubble land on the hot water service any day now.

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Warning: Sig test in progress.

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Tuesday, June 5, 2007 2:17 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by PhoenixRose:
And we still worship Firefly because it's better than all other shows still on, and also the community is full of the shiniest folk ever, so there

I couldn't have said it better.

Msg your head sounds like a fun place to live!!

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Tuesday, June 5, 2007 2:22 PM

NICODEMUS

speaking of all things shiny, anyone going to D*C may wish to check this out:

http://www.whedonuniverse.com/index.html

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Wednesday, June 6, 2007 1:23 AM

mornin' drinkers.

For some reason I have no trouble signing in to the 76th proboard from here, but when I try to sign on to the Whedon Track one I get blocked by our stupid software. I even registered online at home last night, but still cannot get to it. *shrug*

So, we still drinking to make the maths understandable?

*sets up a row of Irish Carbombs and does a few (just to make sure they are made right and the ingredients are, uh, not contaminated)*

~jimi

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Wednesday, June 6, 2007 2:08 AM

PENGUIN

*pleads ignorance* What's an Irish Carbomb???

Good morning patrons! I'll have a dark caffeine-laced carbonated beverage that starts with a "c"!

King of the Mythical Land that is Iowa

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Wednesday, June 6, 2007 2:42 AM

Chek cola?

*gets Penguin an ice cold coke*

An Irish Carbomb is a wonderful thing. It's a shot glass that is half Bailey's Irish Cream, half Jameson Irish whiskey, and a half pint of Guinness Irish stout. You drop the shot glass into the half pint and chug as fast as you can. When done right it tastes of chocolate milkshake.

~jimi
Emptiness is loneliness, and loneliness is cleanliness
And cleanliness is godliness, and god is empty just like me

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Wednesday, June 6, 2007 3:10 AM

*gee wanders into the bar*

ouch!

Ah, the old jokes are the best ones. How's everyone? The maths made sense without alcohol in the end

As for the drink, Guiness

, Jamesons

Bailey's

I think I'll stick to pints with a shot on the side when doing Guiness

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Wednesday, June 6, 2007 3:29 AM

heh, that reminds me of one of my favorite un-PC jokes:

So a baby seal walks into a club...

*pours several shots of Jameson and pints of Guinness for Gee and himself*

Cheers!

~jimi
Emptiness is loneliness, and loneliness is cleanliness
And cleanliness is godliness, and god is empty just like me

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Wednesday, June 6, 2007 3:44 AM

LITTLEALBATROSS29

LA peeks in hoping the maths are over ..for she is a very illogical ablbatross & likes it that way

*looks quickly around for Kelkhil*

Seeing that the Shirtless one isn't around .. LA goes behind the bar & makes herself a rum & coke..

Hi Gee , feeling any better these days ? ?

Yeti

How's you dear ?

Bryce
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Oh, no, baby, no. You're not going to die. They are. Cover your ears. Hey, should we get a dog?

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Wednesday, June 6, 2007 3:54 AM

Kel has been absent for 60+ hours now, I am really concerned...Ihope he went on vacation or something good like that.

I am good, though I'd prefer more maths in here. I stopped doing them because it seemed that no one was coming in here because of them, but there is still no one coming in here, so I might just start again, because Gee and I were enjoying ourselves.

*takes the rum and coke out of LA's hand and downs it in one gulp, then proceeds to make her a strawberry margarita with fresh strawberries and limes and a thick sugar rim*

Enjoy!

~jimi
Emptiness is loneliness, and loneliness is cleanliness
And cleanliness is godliness, and god is empty just like me

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Wednesday, June 6, 2007 4:16 AM

LITTLEALBATROSS29

Thanks for the margarita Yeti

You are a good friend !

I'm sure Kel will be back asap..or I will have to set off all his traps in hopes of luring him back here

LA happily drinks her margarita while not even trying to pretend to understand the maths..

Bryce
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Oh, no, baby, no. You're not going to die. They are. Cover your ears. Hey, should we get a dog?

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Wednesday, June 6, 2007 4:20 AM

Hey LA,

*takes swig of Guiness*

thanks Jimi,

stomach no better and off to see the doctor again this afternoon but trying to carry it with a possitive attitude so I don't become too much of a bore.

Maybe I need to add a disclaimer at the start of my posts, warning, this post may contain maths.

Or physics.

Or nonsense...

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Wednesday, June 6, 2007 4:30 AM

LITTLEALBATROSS29

I'll have a large helping of nonsense please !

Good luck at the doctor's Gee, I hope you feel beter soon .

Bryce
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Oh, no, baby, no. You're not going to die. They are. Cover your ears. Hey, should we get a dog?

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Wednesday, June 6, 2007 4:49 AM

YAY!!!! NONSENSE!!!!

Hi LA, RIMG, Gee, and Penguin, that seems to be all that are here today.

Don't worry LA, I don't get along with the maths either.

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Wednesday, June 6, 2007 4:52 AM

Diet coke please...and sleep more sleep...HUGS

"I'm not all that interested in the mental health of people who want to kill me. "- Leroy Jethro Gibbs

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Wednesday, June 6, 2007 4:55 AM

MAVOURNEEN

Speaking of nonsense, while perusing the interwebs, I discovered a sci fi forum thread of mythical proportions, containing many, many fun thread bombs. It is old, it is bomb heavy, and it is mine! All mine!

I have been giggling since yesterday.

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Wednesday, June 6, 2007 4:58 AM