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Originally posted by Hoperules:
Also, I'm not so sure that women always put kindness first.

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Ok, srsly, am I the ONLY one who thought that kinda sucked? I'm serious. Get to the freaking POINT already. At least if it was on YouTube, I could zip through the music till it got to words...

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Originally posted by derangedmilk:
I take it you aren't the art show type

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Originally posted by SigmaNunki:
Quite frankly, I find the whole project a waste of time; it isn't going to work one iota. The problem with it is that is doesn't address the underlying problem nor does even properly address the apparent target (i.e. males).

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Originally posted by Hoperules:
I suppose this redefinition of male role models in the main steam media would exclude Mal being as he uses force (violence) to do what is right when he protects River and fights the operative. Also, it seems to me he acts without much thought when carries River out of the bar instead of just leaving her for the Alliance. Not a very thoughtful decision when the safety of Serenity and the rest of her crew is his first priority.

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Originally posted by Spacegirl32:
Very nice Anonymous1,

I do hope you sent your thought to Martin already. Do send in both of these posts.

Keep up the Good Work!

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Originally posted by Anonymous1:

Remember we are only seeing a portion of the artwork.

And thinking about the apparent target audience being male made me think that maybe the artist is trying to reach women...especially women that feel men have to get weaker for women to be equal. But then I don't think the artist is limiting his audience to a specific gender.

Remember that one of the purposes of art is to make people think. And the artist does his artwork in public not just inside museums. So he is trying to do a little art education by bringing his artwork outside.

See his wiki page for more info.

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Thinking that art is going to reach anyone in the dregs of society, never mind effect them positively, is more than just naive.

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Maybe a child of a dreg or a homeless person or a criminal will walk by the outside of the museum and think people make money doing ??? that and start their own art project.

Really it could happen. I like being naive. Serenity sequel, sequel, Serenity ship we can tour at Universal studios, Firefly SCI-FI movie like episodes.

Criminal might go steal a camera though. Take films of crimes and be a yahoo-star. GRRRRH! ARRRGH!

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Maybe a child of a dreg or a homeless person or a criminal will walk by the outside of the museum and think people make money doing ??? that and start their own art project.

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Criminal might go steal a camera though. Take films of crimes and be a yahoo-star. GRRRRH! ARRRGH!

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Maybe a child of a dreg or a homeless person or a criminal will walk by the outside of the museum and think people make money doing ??? that and start their own art project.

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With what money? That is assuming that a dreg would pass by a museum. Which isn't exactly a good assumption given where museums are and where the dregs are.

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Everyone should be entitled to at least one personal idiosyncrasy (placards, postcards and vinyl panels funded by the International Herald Tribune) 2005

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described by The Guardian newspaper as a public artist who places text in public spaces because he believes art’s place is at the centre of everyday life, not as a specialist activity at the margins of mainstream society.

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Originally posted by SigmaNunki:
Wow, does this whole thing miss the point.

The fact of the matter is that if one looks at where the *vast* majority of violence is coming from (the dregs of society), the women are just as violent as the men.

Also, when one looks at where the least violence is coming from (the highly educated), the women are just as forceful (non-violently) as the men with just as little violence.

This is _not_ a insignificant.

This whole thing has extremely little to do with sex and what the difference is in how sexes are brought up. It has everything to do with the environment in which people are brought up in i.e. generally speaking, if one is brought up in a violent environment they become a violent person, but if one is brought up in a relatively peaceful environment (and gets educated), they become a non-violent person.

As a general rule: Education and upbringing in a non-violent environment breeds peaceful behaviour regardless of sex.


Quite frankly, I'm getting really really sick of this "a very specific part of society has a problem so lets attack this problem in this very specific part of society completely ignoring the fact that this problem isn't specific to this very specific part of society in any way shape or form especially considering the way that it is being presented" BS.

If we want people to be less violent, then we have to change society so that these violent pockets get smaller. The long term solution (b/c there is no short term one) is increasing the quality of education and getting parents to instill respect for education in there children.

If this is done, we'll be seeing (lasting) returns in a decade or two. But, to really see things happening, we'll have to wait till the new quality teachers start teaching and the next generation grows up.

I know that this doesn't appeal to the instant gratification people (read: most people), but there really isn't another way. After all, we're talking about changing society, not ordering KFC.

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Someone commented that the project might appeal to women that feel men have to get weaker for women to be equal. That rankles me a bit.

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Originally posted by Anonymous1:
Nathan is my hero because he helped save a cancelled convention.

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Remember we are only seeing Nathan's part of the artwork. And also only what the artist put on the internet SO FAR. We have no idea what will be displayed on the museum. I am thinking that the part where Nathan talks is not going to be shown on the museum. BUT I don't know.

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